Krishan Devta Or God Or God's Avtaar

[sunny84india]

krishan devta or god or god's avtaar

tl me please

because i only know that god ( waheguru ji ) is one

and invisble we cant see him, we only feel his(god) power,

but

i not know the meaning of this from guru granth sahib ji that

khoob teri pagdi meethe tere bol !!

and i not know one more tuk where its from

chad singhasan harji aaye !!

waheguru ji ka khalsa waheguru ji ki fateh

[gupt_paapi]

Sorry parji i dont really understand, isnt it made so clear by Guru Sahib Ji that there is one God with no other..? i dont understand where Krishan came from..

taken from sttm.. http://www.sikhitothemax.com/page.asp?ShabadID=2782

khoob teri pagdi meethe tere bol

How handsome is your turban! And how sweet is your speech.

[mann_kaum_layee_qurbaan]

lK caurwsIh jIA join mih BRmq nµdu bhu Qwko ry ] (338-17, gauVI, Bgq kbIr jI)

lakh cha-oraaseeh jee-a jon meh bharmat nand baho thaako ray.

Wandering through 8.4 million incarnations, Krishna's father Nand was totally exhausted.

Bgiq hyiq Avqwru lIE hY Bwgu bfo bpurw ko ry ]1] (338-18, gauVI, Bgq kbIr jI)

bhagat hayt avtaar lee-o hai bhaag bado bapuraa ko ray. ||1||

Because of his devotion, Krishna was incarnated in his home; how great was the good fortune of this poor man! ||1||

qum@ ju khq hau nµd ko nµdnu nµd su nµdnu kw ko ry ] (338-18, gauVI, Bgq kbIr jI)

tumH jo kahat ha-o nand ko nandan nand so nandan kaa ko ray.

You say that Krishna was Nand's son, but whose son was Nand himself?

Drin Akwsu dso ids nwhI qb iehu nµdu khw Qo ry ]1] rhwau ] (338-19, gauVI, Bgq kbIr jI)

Dharan akaas daso dis naahee tab ih nand kahaa tho ray. ||1|| rahaa-o.

When there was no earth or ether or the ten directions, where was this Nand then? ||1||Pause||

sMkit nhI prY join nhI AwvY nwmu inrMjn jw ko ry ] (339-1, gauVI, Bgq kbIr jI)

sankat nahee parai jon nahee aavai naam niranjan jaa ko ray.

He does not fall into misfortune, and He does not take birth; His Name is the Immaculate Lord.

kbIr ko suAwmI AYso Twkuru jw kY mweI n bwpo ry ]2]19]70] (339-1, gauVI, Bgq kbIr jI)

kabeer ko su-aamee aiso thaakur jaa kai maa-ee na baapo ray. ||2||19||70||

Kabeer's Lord is such a Lord and Master, who has no mother or father. ||2||19||70||

doesn't matter what krishna was; in sikhi, he isn't God. only God matters in Sikhi. Ik Oankar. No one else. ONly the one husband lord. The soul-bride only has one husband, waaheguru. all others come and go in reincarnation.

fateh.

[Jai Tegang!]

there are 6 types of 'avtars'

1.ansa = religious kings (prithu, raghu, dalip, janak)

2. avishu = those who recieve their power after coming to earth

3. kala = like 14, 16 kala avtars

4. nit = sants

5. namit = come for specific reasons and then leave (like narsingh who came to destroy harnakhash)

6. puran= complete avatars (ram chandra is considered one such avatar)

Guru Maharaj is considered being above all 6 as they are partakh sargun saroop of vaheguru. In all the others, there may be certain "limitations", but none in Guru Maharaj.

It's just the way Vaheguru chooses to make things.

Hope this helped.

(not really looking to debate with hindu-phobic people. If you disagree, all the best to you, i'm just sharing what i've learned).

vjkk vjkf

[The Khalsa Fauj]

there are 6 types of 'avtars'

1.ansa = religious kings (prithu, raghu, dalip, janak)

2. avishu = those who recieve their power after coming to earth

3. kala = like 14, 16 kala avtars

4. nit = sants

5. namit = come for specific reasons and then leave (like narsingh who came to destroy harnakhash)

6. puran= complete avatars (ram chandra is considered one such avatar)

Guru Maharaj is considered being above all 6 as they are partakh sargun saroop of vaheguru. In all the others, there may be certain "limitations", but none in Guru Maharaj.

It's just the way Vaheguru chooses to make things.

Hope this helped.

(not really looking to debate with hindu-phobic people. If you disagree, all the best to you, i'm just sharing what i've learned).

vjkk vjkf

161409[/snapback]

Nice Puranic philosophy. Which Puran did you get it from or is it from the Vedas??

May that mouth burn which says God takes birth!

[Pakandi baba]

krishan devta or god or god's avtaar

tl me please

because i only know that god ( waheguru ji ) is one

and invisble we cant see him, we only feel his(god) power,

but

i not know the meaning of this from guru granth sahib ji that

khoob teri pagdi meethe tere bol !!

and i not know one more tuk where its from

chad singhasan harji aaye !!

waheguru ji ka khalsa waheguru ji ki fateh

161315[/snapback]

It is indeed correct that Hindu deities are mentioned many times in Guru Granth Sahib Ji and Dasam Granth Ji and it is true that in many shabads (hymns) they are shown great respect, but it does not follow that the Hindu deities are revered in any way. In fact the deities – Brahman, Vishnu, Shiv Ji, Parvati, Hanuman – are shown to be spiritually higher life forms but who have flaws and are influenced by Maya/illusion, ego and the vices. First and foremost the Gurus remind us that the deities were all created (and will be destroyed) by the Almighty. This shows clearly that the Gurus had respect but in no way revered the deities.

And they certainly are not as they have been illustrated by hindus!!

[Pakandi baba]

Shiva, Brahma and all the silent sages cannot understand the state of the Lord. Guru Arjun Dev Ji

The wise one, Shiva, remains absorbed in himself, but he is engrossed in dark passions and excessive egotism. ||2|| Guru Amar Daas Ji Raag Vadhans p559

Shiva meditates through lakhs of methods (postures) but still could not recognise the form, hue and guise of the Lord.

Vishnu incarnated himself through lakhs of creatures but he could not recognise even a bit of that Lord. Var18.

Beings like Sanak, Sanand, Shiva and Shaysh-naaga - none of them know Your mystery, Lord. ||1|| Bhagat Kabeer Ji Raag Dhanaasree p691

Satnam Waheguru Ji