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We know that the word 'Gatka' has been criticized by UK Sanatan Sikh Shastra Vidiya Gurdev Nihang Nidar Singh. Amrit Bha Ji has given reply to their points. (See http://www.amritworld.com/sanatani/index.html (articles 'Gatka' and http://www.amritworld.com/sanatani/realweapon.html)

Budha Dal's stand is now clear, which is available on their official website: http://www.budhadal.com/sports.htm

Now, what would Nihang Nidar Singh and his group like to say?

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A Kutka is different to a Gatka soti, so the whole article falls down on itself. Amrit Singh has misinterpretted a paragraph on the SV website and gone off at a mega tangent. Maybe in the future Niddar Singh will write counter arguements for Amrit Singhs articles, but dont hold your breath.

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I've always thought Gatka as the 'show/demonstration' version and Shaster Vidya as the 'warfare' version.

The few times that I've seen Gatka demonstrations usually during Nagar Kirtans, the weapons used seem prone to damage rather readily. Swords get bent, spear ends come loose.

To me, it doesn't seem like they're using real weaponry, which is why I've always thought they used equipment suitable for demonstrations. Hence me calling this stuff Gatka.

Didn't mean to offend anyone. It's just my view.

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Sanatani website itself mention that the term 'Gatka' is derived from persian word 'Khutka'. Khutka and kutka is same.

Bha ji is very clear. He wrote in his article: -

Comparatively the terms 'Khutak', Khutka, kutka, gatka, gadka, gadd and gadaa are closer to one another, if not completely the same.

The term 'Gatka' is adapted even by the Budha Dal. This was the main objective of this thread. If Sanatani thinks that 'Gatka' is not a proper word, it means Budha Dal has used a wrong word. Again, Amrit Bha ji is proved right, when he said this:

Now, it is very common in Sikh circles to use word Gatka for all traditional martial arts, in which traditional weapons are used.

Budha Dal is agreed to Amrit Bha Ji.

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*sighs*

We can argue over terminology all day long, but who cares? What really matters is the application of the art, if you wanna talk about principles and concepts that are within martial arts, and how Gatka and Shastarvidiya/Jang Vidiya are the same then I could see the need for an article, but trying to kick up dust over the translation of "Kutka" is pointless.

The Budha Dal website went back to the original old one because Baba Uday Singh wanted to promote the Budha Dal School on there, since the "coming soon" one was just a blank page. In the future it will be revamped, and theres various other projects in the pipeline with Niddar Singh and Shriomani Budha Dal with the blessings of Baba Santa Singh, all you need to do is wait patiently and all will be revealed. rolleyes.gif

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if so then why not have a competiton with the people who do gatka, why did nang niddar singh just hangs around when there are gatak tournaments , this guy has proven nothing to this day apart from infecting youth which useless nindyia of prominent sikhs puratan and vartman.

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hell yeh.......but atleast dnt knock the art....the artform it self is spectacular....and any one with some knowledge would agree that SV is clearly out do gatka in techniques alone...

but allow it.....nang panth.....

What matters is your own ability, your own efforts and your own dedication, the art is an ideal, if you cant reach it and dont have the intention to reach it, why speak like you have mastered it? SV is a great art there is no denying that, but its only great in the hands of a great practitioner, someone who understands the concepts and has the ability to flow, change footwork and strategy depending on the countless variables that occur within a fight, ability to use all weapons etc is a true martial artist.

I dont believe in putting down other arts, because they are only as good as the practitioner, if a Gatkabaaj put in enough effort and time into his/her training, I see no reason why they wouldnt take out a SV student who trained half arsed, didnt turn up to classes and didnt train in their spare time.

Rather then talking about the ideal, you need to reach it.

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i have been taught sv (lol) sounds like rs(radhasoami)...but i was told i cant use it...it is only to keep the art alive...so whats the point of knowing warfare if it cant be used????????

There is no strict rule on the use of the art for your own defence, what is taught is that the first step would be to circumvent any situation and difuse it, only a fool goes out looking for trouble. If you need to defend yourself then you must do what is needed, ive never heard of Niddar Singh saying that you cannot use the art that he teaches, many students who have had incidents on the streets have used techniques and defended themselves. If you was really "taught" (rather then turning up to a random class once), you would have known that. rolleyes.gif

One last point, whether you ever get into a fight in your whole life and use the art is of no point, if you can avoid trouble and live your life then that is the best route to take. Just because you learn how to fight doesnt neccessarily mean you have to go out and rumble with people. Learning the art is based upon the respect of a tradition, so that future generations can uphold something that was passed down by the Gurus, rather then not give it any respect and let it get lost like many other arts that have been lost by the Sikhs.

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