Amrit Dilemma

[dass ram rauni singh]

Dear Cyber Sangat Jee

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa

Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh

I’d really appreciate some ‘wise’ advice on the following dilemmas.

I started keeping my kesh about a year ago and am drawing nearer to Sikhi to the point where now I feel that the Guru is slowly nudging me to receive Amrit from the beloved 5.

However, my wife is not ready to make the Amrit commitment with me.

1. Can I receive Amrit from the beloved 5 if my wife is not ready to do so?

Furthermore….which gurdwara or jatha do I approach?

My intuition has always informed my inner core that I should go to Guru Nanak Nishkaam Sevak Jatha Gurdwara (GNNSJ) on Soho Road. When I go to this Gurughar I feel immense peace and tranquillity and my simran energy soars into my head. I am drawn to the Singhs and Singhnees with the white bana. I see many chardhi kala faces with glowing red complexions (lalee) immersed in ‘Naam’ at this Gurdwara.

However, I’ve also heard that the only Jatha to take Amrit from is the AKJ, because the power that the AKJ beloved 5 have to impart ‘Naam Dhrir’ and to teach ‘Saas Garas’ simran techniques. Do the beloved 5 at GNNSJ impart ‘Naam Dhrir’ and teach ‘Saas Garas’ simran techniques ?

Should I approach the chardhi kala singhs from both jathas and talk to them about this dilemma?

Thanks for your time.

Kind regards

[Guest PRITAM SINGH KHALSA]

I would say any panj pyare is the same. Dont go to one certain place to recieve Amrit, because its not a competition of who perscribes Naam better etc. Amrit is the same from any panj pyare that follow rehat correctly.

I would say {I.M.O} grow your hair out more, and live as if you are an Amritdhari already. Practice the nitnem/Simran/Amritvela to perfect it. Put Waheguru first in your routine and maybe your wife will need to start accompanying you during paath etc. Show her the example first before asking her again to take Amrit, once she sees that it is not a big deal to do nitnem/rehat, then she might "feel the vibe", but with evils in your mind you cant "feel the vibe".

Go to your local Gurdwara that is performing an Amritchaar and take Amrit from the panj pyare there. When you pick and choose which people you should take it from then you defeat the purpose. The purpose is to prove your humility and give your head to the Guru, not to score points from people after you tell them which "jatha" you recieved Amrit from. If you do it like that then it seems as if you were trying to fit into the more "elite" group of Sikhs when we are all equal and in the same class and standings. A Sikh is a Sikh is a Sikh !!!!!!! Once you have recieved Amrit then you can learn any type of Simran technique there is, the point is to enroll in the school of Khalsa and then learn all the details after you promise to uphold the Guru along with all the rest of us Amritdharis.

Being an Amritdhari means you love God, you understand that you need to praise Waheguru for allowing you to breath/live. If you love Waheguru enough you will beg and almost run 500 miles out in the middle of nowhere to find the nearest Amritchaar, because your quest starts after the Guru approves of you.

Have fun , live life, love God.

I hope this can help you on your quest for the soul purifying Amrit.

SatNam

[S1ngh]

very nice reply by PSK.. follow his advice for your second question.

[akjforever]

Veerji, questions about Naam Drir and so on please post your question on the AKJ messageboard for advice:

http://www.akj.org/forum/search.php?search_id=all

[sant mat]

if you want to become an AKJ take amrit from AkJ's

if you want to become a GNNJ take amrit from Soho Road

if you want to become a Taksali take amrit from DDT

if you want to become a KHALSA take amrit from Guru Gobind Singh Ji's 5 piyare i.e Dont shop around amrit is amrit, Naam drir is not a certain technique given to u its The Gur mantr and mool mantr installled in you by which ever way as long as its from Panj Rehat waan Piyare

by the way dont bother asking any jatha related forum coz u'll get biased advice

[N30S1NGH]

To the people who think naam dridh is more authentic than other techniques/ is best technique ever. Sometimes i feel we got people who follow yogi personal traits too in our panth because how they act, brag about techniques/technalities of meditation but choose to ignore the concept of "Gurparsad".

- Sant baba nand singh ji got gurparsad(grace of guru maharaj) by doing "sargun upasana of sri guru nanak dev nirankar" in his naam simran.

- Sant baba sunder singh ji bhindranwale got gurparsad by doing immense jaap of japji sahib patt, ajapa/jap which lead him to avastha - Gurmukh rom rom har dhavaie ||

- Bhagat puran singh ji got gurparsad by doing immense seva of vahiguroo's creation and simran of that creation.

sabh gobind hai sabh gobind hai gobind bin nahee ko-ee

There are many techniques in Guru Ghar to get to Vahiguroo, no technique is better than each other, or NO Technique is more Gurmat than others, out of all - biggest technique- prem/ bairaag.

Jin Prem Kio Tin Hai Prab Paio ||

Lots of sikhs these days who do naam jap of vahiguroo, they contemplate on creator but some how happen to forget "that creator also resides in his creation" - see this post for more info : http://www.sikhsangat.com/index.php?showtopic=15937&hl=

They are in biggest dobta out of all, they show dvaish towards others, they are just like some pandits who is busy doing pooja but besides them there is someone needs help and dying. They are hypocrites without any doubt.

Going back to Naam now, there are many techniques how to do jaap of Shabad given to you by mahapursh in form of panj pyares, most of puratan samparda's give you shabad/Gurmantar in amrit sanchar but give you Naam jugti in a separate session alone - mahapursh and jagiaso.

Also may i add it's not proper to say, i got naam amrit from others or mahapursh in form of panj pyares, panj pyares instill naam in you, you get shabad from panj pyares. Naam is inside us day we were in the womb. Naam is everywhere, exist in his creation:

Gurbani says:

Naunidh amrit prabh ka naam, dehi mein iskaa bisraam (GGS : 292, Sukhmani, 23.1).

Anyway here are some of the techniques(jugti) given by mahapursh in the past, they are diffferent. Remember there is no such thing as one technique is better than others, people on this forum should get out from this "bamal bussa" and "dubta" black and white sikhs trying to propagate. Yes certain people find certain techniques comfortabale but they can't say one technique is superior than others.

- Technique given used and given by mahapursh- sant 108 baba sunder singh ji bhindranwale (fetched from gyani thakur singh ji japji sahib katha translations tapes):

Ajapa jap

Jap is of three types:

1. Vachak- Recitten with tongue and can be heard by others.

2: Upas: Recitten with tongue also but less audible.

3. Manas- Meditation of Vahiguroo with mind..meditation through thought process.

First stage of gursikh is Vachak. Gyani Ji gave example of how siriman 108 sant baba sunder singh ji maharaj bhindranwaley used to do japji sahib first in one hour, then do second japji sahib in half an hour, then do third japji sahib in 15 minuites, then do fourth japji sahib in 10 minutes, then fifth time do japji sahib in 5 minutes.

- Techniques given by sant baba isher singh ji rara sahib waley (sub branch of bhai dya singh samparda)

Jap(meditation) is also done by:

1. Baikri Bani- When one recites naam with javan(tongue), hout(lips), khaieyal(thoughts) that is called Baikari Bani.

2. Madhma Bani- When one recites naam in Kant(throat) without moving lips...just with the thoughts is called Madhma Bani.

3. Pasanti Bani- When one recites naam in hirda(heart).

4. Para Bani- When one recites naam in Nabhi(Navel) without moving tongue and with the thoughts. In this stage vahiguroo naam gets infused in rom rom of the body. Meditation goes in automatic mode. There is no need for concentration.

Gurmukh Rom Rom Har Dhavaie ||

After 4th stage, one gets to very high stage. Where one can hear(jap-resonance,dhuni) with their surati in pretty much everything in this creation ie- walls, birds, leafs, animals, human being, even from realms (bhramands).

Dharat Patal Akash Hai Meri Jindaeriye

Sab Har Har Naam Dhavaiya Ram ||

2nd technique:

Va Va Da Abhyaas Nabhi Ch Karo

(Doing Simran of Va Va on Nabhi/Navel )

Hi Hi Di Awaaz Hiradaie Ch

(Doing Simran of hi hi on the heart)

Gu Gu Kant ch Karo

(Doing Simran Gu on the kant/near throat)

And

Ru Ru Di Awaaz Mastaak mai Ratan Kartaie Hoye Birti Kou Nirgun Atma Mein Lin Kar Duo

(Doing Simran Ru Ru on the Mastaak/third eye)

So its a cycle - Va ( on Nabhi) Hi(on heart) Gu (on Kant) Ru(On Mastak/third eye).

Thats one cycle....I dont know...this cycle or stage explained in the book is the first intial stage to the simran or second last stage in simran....

3rd technique:

This is also included in Soraj Parkash Granth.

According to a prasang(divan) on chapter of mata ajeeto kaur reaching enlightment. Mata ajeto kaur was under guidance of siri guroo gobind singh where she was taught all the "YOG SADHNA/Shabad Surat Marg where chakras are used", when mata ji did yog sadhna, when her birthi(dhyaan) reached - Trikurti/3rd eye..she started seeing the future e.g. the besiegement of Sri Anandpur Sahib, leaving the kila etc and the shaheedia of the char sahibjadey. After seeing this in a dream she asked Guru Gobind Singh jee whether this was true, Guru Sahib confirmed this.

Mata jee then told guru jee that she could not see all this pain happen and would rather die/ leave for Sachkand and asked permission to leave her body. Guru Sahib jee granted her permission and subsequently she did ishnaan, a Sukhmani Sahib da Paath and then left her body by reciting the mantar and with that mantar taking her prana on top and realising it via bhram randar nari( subtle vein) through dasam dwara.

4th technique:

First concentrate on Sargun saroop of Vahiguroo while reciting shabad ie- Gur Ki Morat Man mein dhyaan Guru Ka shabad mantar man maan

then after mind becomes subtle, that shabad will automatically take you upper realms and that shabad will infuse in your surat

Techniques used and given by sant jawala singh ji harkhowaley (sub branch of bhai dya singh samparda)

Naam Simran Jagutiya by Sant Baba Jawala Singh Harkhowaley

1st technique

First do simran with the help of bakhri bani(recitation of tongue) and focus on trikurti

( between the eye brows) focus so hard and meditate so hard that you are exhausted consequently you will start meditating automatically on throat chakra with Madhma Bani (thought provoked automatic recitation) then focus so hard on madhma bani that it gets exhausted. Again consequently meditation will start in the heart and continue to the Nabhi (Navel). In the navel, gurus jap awakens the kundalani in the navel. By doing this.,tenth door(dasva dwara) opens. By doing this technique your meditation process never stops and you are experience doesnt break.

2nd technique.

Meditation using Vahiguroo Mantra...

Meditate with repeating Vahiguroo with your breath. When you inhale, take Vahi with your breath and take it all the way to Nabhi crossing your heart. Then take Gu from your heart to Ru from your trikurt by doing this... Tenth door (dasama dwara) opens..

Next stages (When trikurti opens) you see some light, first you see red then you see white and then you see the light that is so strong that makes thousands of suns and moons look dim but it doesnt hurt your eyes ..Its a feeling of calmness and rain of Amrit(Nectar).

That is followed with sweet(celestial ) sounds which are called Panj Shabad (Anhad Shabad)focus on that shabad but you have to transcend the point that yogi gets to because that point is still bound by creations and its only when your ego dissolves that you achieved what you meant to be achieving..

Naad means sound (dhuni) and there are two types of sound

Aahat and Anhat

1. Aahat caused by two things colliding .This breaks down into thee parts 1. Breath = vocal sound 2. Sound which comes from instruments 3. Combinations of both and thats where it collides.

2. Anhat: Heaven celestial sounds.

3rd technique:

Sant Jagjit Singh Herkhowal here is narrating the instructions given to his father on how to perform Naam Abhyaas by Baba Jwaalaa Singh Herkhowal.

Another technique by harkhowaley mahapursh

They are;

Preparations:

1) First recite Japuji Sahib

2) Then perform ardas requesting permission to recite naam and to be devoid of distractions

3) A mat should be laid on the floor, covered by a woolen cloth and then a white sheet

4) A pitcher of water is put to one side

5) The surroundings are adorned with incense and flowers

6) Sit facing the rising sun (east) in sidhaasana

7) Each hand should be placed on the knees in vairaag mudra

8) Keep spine erect, head high

9) To initially control the senses close left eye and with the right focus on the tip of your nose

10) Then recite mool mantar until you have strong concentration

11) Then recite gurmantar - first with baikri bani, then so only you can hear, then in the throat, then heart then navel chakra at belly button

12) This stage will take time but will be achieved with practice

13) once there, fix attention at triputi (between eyebrows)

14) He then explains trikuti and then way to dasam duar

15) The recitation of gurmantar should proceed with 'vaa' in stomach chakra, 'hi' in heart, 'guu' in throat and 'ruu' in triputi.

16) Four types of rasna - baikari (aloud), madama (in throat), pachyanti (voice in hriday/heart), and para bani (nabi).

17) Ru meaning light brings light to triputi (which is above the trikuti)

18) Therefore placing each of the gurmantar in each of the chkras in ascending order

19) explanation is then given of the nature of the experience that arises out of this practice, the final opening of saharakamal chakra and the experience of advaita.

20) There is further guidance on seasonal changes that need to be made, and issues of daily practice.

4th technique by harkhowaley mahapursh:

Baba jawala singh ji answered:

Hey pyaray gurmukho, the shabad, which is the emanation and form of gurujis heart, that shabad is brahm. Get absorbed in that shabad and you will find that you no longer exist and that is the way that you will get muktee. Guruji has used the following lines in gurbani to explain this

1)sabad gur peera, gaher gambeera, bin shabadai jag baugaanang.

2)Satgur bachan, bachan hai satgur paadhur mukat janavago

3)Etc etc (more bani was said to reinforce the point)

It is for this reason that gurmat is focusing on god through shabad ( gurmat hai shabad brahm dee upaashna) because shabad has 3 forms according to wise mahapurakhs:

1)asthool: when your eyes gaze on a granth and you read those letters out loud

2)misrat: when ones birti (focus/attention) becomes attuned to the shabad, the shabad is both suksham and asthool because the mind is made of the (tatta da sato ansh).the sat (virtue/true/purest) form of the qualities.

3)Sukham= sookham (astral/spiritual)

When the shabad abhyaas (meditation on the shabad) surpasses the consciousness(surat) of the mind, and gets absorbed in the paar baani (the celestial emanations of the primal sound)..(this is also called, naabhi di baani (sounds of the naval chakra). That baani has the ability to take the jeevs surti (the consciousness of the being) to the pinnacle point of brahm (the point from which creation was started).

For this reason, you should all focus on the shabad.

5th technique: Viraat Upsana

Recite vahiguroo through your mind and at the same time visualize first start with people/places you dislike - see light in them then move on bringin the whole creation (parkirti) inside and try to feel as if every inch of this universe is reciting vahiguroo's name - leafs, waterfall, valley, tree's , wind.. as if you are seeing light's everything.

this way our mind which is dualistic see two (see god separate from creation) changes into non-dualistic mode which is see oneness (god's light in every being).

Techniques by sant baba aya singh ji hoti mardan (sub branch of bhai dya singh samparda). Sant aiya singh ji was murshid of sant jawala singh ji. Note this technique is given to sangat where there is not only sikhsangat but everyone- hindu and muslim:

refererence: The Radiance of complete journey to Akaal Purkh

chapter- Sant baba Aiya Singh Hoti Mardan giving sermons to Sangat.

Diffferent ways of Meditation.

1. Meditating by focusing eyesight on rising sun. It's done in winter. Hindus call it trianghlar concentration.

2. Shugal Mayyat or Mansuri..some hindus call it dead body's posture it is done by lying on ground on back with mind upwards, body completely loose and eye sight focused on behind the brows.

3. Breathing control in which attention is focused on third mole. It's equal to the first one and is done via padam asan(cross legged position)

4. Attention is focused inside as well as outside on the fae of Guru(mentor).

In this way, one enjoys the unique fruits of spiritual life and hidden secrets are uncovered.

5. Shugal Ishnan Jat- In this, attention is focued on kalava shanovari due to this practice the mediator gets absorbed into his own self.

6. Shugal Aina (Means of Mirror)- It involves eye sight focussing on eye pupil in the reflection. This way eye-pupils over turn inwardly and get's to white spot or third mole.

7. Half awakened position- By this eyes are constantly kept open to avoid sleep. Therefore even though in sleep one remains half awake.

8. Inner form and intellect are concentrated upon white spot.

9. Eye- sight is focussed on the nose-tip then gradually moves backward to the nose-root. Going inward one has to enter realm of subtility. Yogis call it Chacri Mudra. It is also mentioned in Gita. Meditation phase contains three types:

1. Meditation upon Guru's phsyical form.

2. By concentrating on the place of the spirit in the body one feels light like a lamp. This is subtle medtiation.

3. The comes Guru's light form above the path of God's and ancestors and stays with the Sikh(learner).

This way seeker merges into God. Shamas Tarbez says, "I become you and you become me and my life so that no one distinguish between you and me". Perfect meditation disolves the trinity of worship, worshipper and object of worship. Worshipper and the object of worship become one. God or Guru's beautiful face only can be seen with sacred eyes, look at him with excitement and asthetic sense just as muslims look up the moon of Id, It's is not every eye's business to have a glance of True Guru's light form. Only fortunate ones attain to this status. But human being instead of listening to spiritual voice is given to hear outer souns. Alas ! you are bounded by phsyical chains and do not listen to holy voice of mercyful god.

Love: Love is the divine Law. It will win where reason fails

God is love and love is God

I think this is enough for the sangata, there are soo many techniques in guru ghar, no technique is higher than other or more gurmatiya than others, what is highest of all and common within all is "prem" towards Vahiguroo which leads to "Gurparsad".

IkOngkar Satnaam Kartapurkh Nirbhau Nirvair Akaal Morat Ajooni Saihbhang Gurparsad

[Lionchild]

Furthermore….which gurdwara or jatha do I approach?

*sigh*...what a community we have turned ourselves into, now we have to worry about what jatha and gurdwara to go too... this is far from the gurus days. It just put shivers down yuor spine to think how it will be like in a 100 years

[Guest PRITAM SINGH KHALSA]

*sigh*...{like Micheal Jackson}

hahahaaha :umm:

[Guest Dancing Warrior]

Find the miracle, know the miracle, share the miracle, be the miracle.

But what is the miracle and where is it fond?

:TH:

[Haych Singh]

Take amrit wherever as long as the panj pyareh are naam abyaasi gursikhs