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Prepare your head for Amrit and find out.

They will give you the advice, we cannot speak for Guru Pyares.

Guru Pyare will give you your lifetime commands not SadhSangat.

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At GNNSJ-do all 5 of the piaray administer amrit or just one of them?

Do they teach naam dhrir / saas giraas techniques ?

I'd really appreciate a response on this one-thanks in advance.

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What ever the 5 beloved hukam is, you will have to and must obey them. They are the real 5 panj piaray.

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I think the following post from www.tapoban.org is helpful in this issue:

Author: Kulbir Singh

Date: 01-23-06 05:23

It's my humble opinion that our debate should be about asools and not about organizations. Whether AKJ or Jatha Bhindran or some other Jatha, the amrit organized by them would be judged by maryada they keep and not by the organization that does it. Amrit is not amrit just because AKJ organizes it or Jatha Bhindran organizes it. Amrit is amrit if it is prepared with full maryada.

If there is an amrit sinchaar organized by AKJ or Jatha Bhindran and they don't keep the most basic amrit maryada, then I don't think such amrit can be classified amrit. First of all there must be the true Saroop of Siri Guru Granth Sahib jee. Secondly, there must be Punj Pyaray who are tyaar bar Tyaar Gursikhs and the ones who strive to keep full rehit. Thirdly they should follow at least the basic maryada of amrit.

Here are some points to ponder upon:

1) If the saroop of Siri Guru Granth Sahib jee is not there, can amrit sinchaar be done? I don't think so.

2) If there are only 4 Gursikhs and not 5 Gursikhs to do sewa in Punj Pyaray can such amrit sinchaar be valid? I don't think so.

3) If Sarblohi Baata and Sarblohi Khanda is not there can such amrit sinchaar be valid? I don't think so?

4) Punj Pyaray ask for heads at the time of amrit sinchaar. Before the abhilaakhis can go inside to give head, they must wear full baana including all kakaars and dastaar. If they don't wear kakaars, can their head be accepted or will they even reach that point where their head will be asked? I don't think so. They must wear baana to enter amrit sinchaar mandal. If they don't wear dastaar, can their heads be accepted? No way. this daas is of the firm determination that Siri Guru Gobind Singh jee Maharaaj would never accept a head without the dastaar or without kakaars. It may be acceptable if the Gursikh wears the dastaar but does not consider it a kakaar but accepts it to part of mandatory baana like many Nihungs and Taksalis do but to offer your nanga head without a dastaar and just covered with a thin chunni, is not acceptable.

5) If Punj Pyaray just give you Naam but don't implant it inside you or don't teach you how to japp Naam, how would you japp it? Without method, how do you japp Naam? Where do you focus your dhyaan? So it's best if Punj Pyaray teach how to japp Naam.

6) Punj Pyaray should give amrit and not "Ikk Pyara". In all organizations I have heard of, Punj Pyaray prepare amrit but in most cases, one one pyara imparts amrit to seekers. This is not correct maryada. The whole purpose of receive amrit 5 times in your mouth, 5 times in your eyes and 5 times in your hair is to enable each one of the Punj Pyaray do so. I know in AKJ this maryada is still going on. Some other jathas may have it too and they are dhan if they are maintaining this maryada. But most of them have lost it.

If there are small differences in maryada we should ignore them but if a person chhaks amrit with totally non-maryada (e.g. Nanaksari, pakhandi saadh amrit like Kashmira Singh etc) then I think its fair for a rehitvaan Singh to not do roti beti dee saanjh with such person, not out of hatred but out of respect and love for Gurmat Maryada.

Such statements like "Amrit prepared by all organizations is same" are nonsense statements. How can amrit prepared by a pakhand like pehowa be amrit? How can amrit prepared by adulturous saadhs be amrit? How can amrit given to women wearing makeup and earrings be amrit?

Statements like "the whole Panth does this and majority does that" are naive statements. Are we to keep maryada according to what the majority position is? Majority of the so called Sikh diaspora is patit i.e. they cut their hair. Are we to say that cutting hair is okay? As the matter of fact, it has already been accepted by most people now.

How can langar prepared by or served by a patit (a monna, or an adulturous or a tobacco eater) be acceptable to Khalsa of Guru Sahib? Foolish and sometimes malicious are those people who blame Rehitvaan Singhs for refusing such food and for condemning such activities at Gurdwaras. To call such langar as "Guru ka Langar" is nothing short of blasphemy. Langar or degh prepared by adulturers, monnay, tobacco consumers and kutha eaters cannot be classified as "Guru ka Langar".

Bhul Chuk dee maafi.

Daas,

Kulbir Singh

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Fateh

They tell you what you should and shouldn't do, 18~20 Soho Road, Handsworth, Birmingham B21 9BH Telephone: 0121 551 1125, ring them or go down and see them personally. I was trying to find booklets i keep from the Gurudwara with the email add on it but i can't find it. Bhaji your best just poping in trust they don't bite, by way where you from? because i go to GNNSJ.

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To the people who think naam dridh is more authentic than other techniques/ is best technique ever. Sometimes i feel we got people who follow yogi personal traits too in our panth because how they act, brag about techniques/technalities of meditation but choose to ignore the concept of "Gurparsad".

- Sant baba nand singh ji got gurparsad(grace of guru maharaj) by doing "sargun upasana of sri guru nanak dev nirankar" in his naam simran.

- Sant baba sunder singh ji bhindranwale got gurparsad by doing immense jaap of japji sahib patt, ajapa/jap which lead him to avastha - Gurmukh rom rom har dhavaie ||

- Bhagat puran singh ji got gurparsad by doing immense seva of vahiguroo's creation and simran of that creation.

sabh gobind hai sabh gobind hai gobind bin nahee ko-ee

There are many techniques in Guru Ghar to get to Vahiguroo, no technique is better than each other, or NO Technique is more Gurmat than others, out of all - biggest technique- prem/ bairaag.

Jin Prem Kio Tin Hai Prab Paio ||

Lots of sikhs these days who do naam jap of vahiguroo, they contemplate on creator but some how happen to forget "that creator also resides in his creation" - see this post for more info : http://www.sikhsangat.com/index.php?showtopic=15937&hl=

They are in biggest dobta out of all, they show dvaish towards others, they are just like some pandits who is busy doing pooja but besides them there is someone needs help and dying. They are hypocrites without any doubt.

Going back to Naam now, there are many techniques how to do jaap of Shabad given to you by mahapursh in form of panj pyares, most of puratan samparda's give you shabad/Gurmantar in amrit sanchar but give you Naam jugti in a separate session alone - mahapursh and jagiaso.

Also may i add it's not proper to say, i got naam amrit from others or mahapursh in form of panj pyares, panj pyares instill naam in you, you get shabad from panj pyares. Naam is inside us day we were in the womb. Naam is everywhere, exist in his creation:

Gurbani says:

Naunidh amrit prabh ka naam, dehi mein iskaa bisraam (GGS : 292, Sukhmani, 23.1).

Anyway here are some of the techniques(jugti) given by mahapursh in the past, they are diffferent. Remember there is no such thing as one technique is better than others, people on this forum should get out from this "bamal bussa" and "dubta" black and white sikhs trying to propagate. Yes certain people find certain techniques comfortabale but they can't say one technique is superior than others.

- Technique given used and given by mahapursh- sant 108 baba sunder singh ji bhindranwale (fetched from gyani thakur singh ji japji sahib katha translations tapes):

Ajapa jap

Jap is of three types:

1. Vachak- Recitten with tongue and can be heard by others.

2: Upas: Recitten with tongue also but less audible.

3. Manas- Meditation of Vahiguroo with mind..meditation through thought process.

First stage of gursikh is Vachak. Gyani Ji gave example of how siriman 108 sant baba sunder singh ji maharaj bhindranwaley used to do japji sahib first in one hour, then do second japji sahib in half an hour, then do third japji sahib in 15 minuites, then do fourth japji sahib in 10 minutes, then fifth time do japji sahib in 5 minutes.

- Techniques given by sant baba isher singh ji rara sahib waley (sub branch of bhai dya singh samparda)

Jap(meditation) is also done by:

1. Baikri Bani- When one recites naam with javan(tongue), hout(lips), khaieyal(thoughts) that is called Baikari Bani.

2. Madhma Bani- When one recites naam in Kant(throat) without moving lips...just with the thoughts is called Madhma Bani.

3. Pasanti Bani- When one recites naam in hirda(heart).

4. Para Bani- When one recites naam in Nabhi(Navel) without moving tongue and with the thoughts. In this stage vahiguroo naam gets infused in rom rom of the body. Meditation goes in automatic mode. There is no need for concentration.

Gurmukh Rom Rom Har Dhavaie ||

After 4th stage, one gets to very high stage. Where one can hear(jap-resonance,dhuni) with their surati in pretty much everything in this creation ie- walls, birds, leafs, animals, human being, even from realms (bhramands).

Dharat Patal Akash Hai Meri Jindaeriye

Sab Har Har Naam Dhavaiya Ram ||

2nd technique:

Va Va Da Abhyaas Nabhi Ch Karo

(Doing Simran of Va Va on Nabhi/Navel )

Hi Hi Di Awaaz Hiradaie Ch

(Doing Simran of hi hi on the heart)

Gu Gu Kant ch Karo

(Doing Simran Gu on the kant/near throat)

And

Ru Ru Di Awaaz Mastaak mai Ratan Kartaie Hoye Birti Kou Nirgun Atma Mein Lin Kar Duo

(Doing Simran Ru Ru on the Mastaak/third eye)

So its a cycle - Va ( on Nabhi) Hi(on heart) Gu (on Kant) Ru(On Mastak/third eye).

Thats one cycle....I dont know...this cycle or stage explained in the book is the first intial stage to the simran or second last stage in simran....

3rd technique:

This is also included in Soraj Parkash Granth.

According to a prasang(divan) on chapter of mata ajeeto kaur reaching enlightment. Mata ajeto kaur was under guidance of siri guroo gobind singh where she was taught all the "YOG SADHNA/Shabad Surat Marg where chakras are used", when mata ji did yog sadhna, when her birthi(dhyaan) reached - Trikurti/3rd eye..she started seeing the future e.g. the besiegement of Sri Anandpur Sahib, leaving the kila etc and the shaheedia of the char sahibjadey. After seeing this in a dream she asked Guru Gobind Singh jee whether this was true, Guru Sahib confirmed this.

Mata jee then told guru jee that she could not see all this pain happen and would rather die/ leave for Sachkand and asked permission to leave her body. Guru Sahib jee granted her permission and subsequently she did ishnaan, a Sukhmani Sahib da Paath and then left her body by reciting the mantar and with that mantar taking her prana on top and realising it via bhram randar nari( subtle vein) through dasam dwara.

4th technique:

First concentrate on Sargun saroop of Vahiguroo while reciting shabad ie- Gur Ki Morat Man mein dhyaan Guru Ka shabad mantar man maan

then after mind becomes subtle, that shabad will automatically take you upper realms and that shabad will infuse in your surat

Techniques used and given by sant jawala singh ji harkhowaley (sub branch of bhai dya singh samparda)

Naam Simran Jagutiya by Sant Baba Jawala Singh Harkhowaley

1st technique

First do simran with the help of bakhri bani(recitation of tongue) and focus on trikurti

( between the eye brows) focus so hard and meditate so hard that you are exhausted consequently you will start meditating automatically on throat chakra with Madhma Bani (thought provoked automatic recitation) then focus so hard on madhma bani that it gets exhausted. Again consequently meditation will start in the heart and continue to the Nabhi (Navel). In the navel, guru’s jap awakens the kundalani in the navel. By doing this.,tenth door(dasva dwara) opens. By doing this technique your meditation process never stops and you are experience doesn’t break.

2nd technique.

Meditation using Vahiguroo Mantra...

Meditate with repeating Vahiguroo with your breath. When you inhale, take Vahi with your breath and take it all the way to Nabhi crossing your heart. Then take Gu from your heart to Ru from your trikurt by doing this... Tenth door (dasama dwara) opens..

Next stages (When trikurti opens) you see some light, first you see red then you see white and then you see the light that is so strong that makes thousands of suns and moons look dim but it doesn’t hurt your eyes ..It’s a feeling of calmness and rain of Amrit(Nectar).

That is followed with sweet(celestial ) sounds which are called Panj Shabad (Anhad Shabad)…focus on that shabad but you have to transcend the point that yogi gets to because that point is still bound by creations and its only when your ego dissolves that you achieved what you meant to be achieving..

Naad means sound (dhuni) and there are two types of sound

Aahat and Anhat

1. Aahat caused by two things colliding .This breaks down into thee parts 1. Breath = vocal sound 2. Sound which comes from instruments 3. Combinations of both and that’s where it collides.

2. Anhat: Heaven celestial sounds.

3rd technique:

Sant Jagjit Singh Herkhowal here is narrating the instructions given to his father on how to perform Naam Abhyaas by Baba Jwaalaa Singh Herkhowal.

Another technique by harkhowaley mahapursh

They are;

Preparations:

1) First recite Japuji Sahib

2) Then perform ardas requesting permission to recite naam and to be devoid of distractions

3) A mat should be laid on the floor, covered by a woolen cloth and then a white sheet

4) A pitcher of water is put to one side

5) The surroundings are adorned with incense and flowers

6) Sit facing the rising sun (east) in sidhaasana

7) Each hand should be placed on the knees in vairaag mudra

8) Keep spine erect, head high

9) To initially control the senses close left eye and with the right focus on the tip of your nose

10) Then recite mool mantar until you have strong concentration

11) Then recite gurmantar - first with baikri bani, then so only you can hear, then in the throat, then heart then navel chakra at belly button

12) This stage will take time but will be achieved with practice

13) once there, fix attention at triputi (between eyebrows)

14) He then explains trikuti and then way to dasam duar

15) The recitation of gurmantar should proceed with 'vaa' in stomach chakra, 'hi' in heart, 'guu' in throat and 'ruu' in triputi.

16) Four types of rasna - baikari (aloud), madama (in throat), pachyanti (voice in hriday/heart), and para bani (nabi).

17) Ru meaning light brings light to triputi (which is above the trikuti)

18) Therefore placing each of the gurmantar in each of the chkras in ascending order

19) explanation is then given of the nature of the experience that arises out of this practice, the final opening of saharakamal chakra and the experience of advaita.

20) There is further guidance on seasonal changes that need to be made, and issues of daily practice.

4th technique by harkhowaley mahapursh:

Baba jawala singh ji answered:

Hey pyaray gurmukho, the shabad, which is the emanation and form of guruji’s heart, that shabad is brahm. Get absorbed in that shabad and you will find that you no longer exist and that is the way that you will get muktee. Guruji has used the following lines in gurbani to explain this……

1)sabad gur peera, gaher gambeera, bin shabadai jag baugaanang.

2)Satgur bachan, bachan hai satgur paadhur mukat janavago

3)Etc etc (more bani was said to reinforce the point)

It is for this reason that gurmat is focusing on god through shabad ( gurmat hai shabad brahm dee upaashna) because shabad has 3 forms according to wise mahapurakhs:

1)asthool: when your eyes gaze on a granth and you read those letters out loud

2)misrat: when one’s birti (focus/attention) becomes attuned to the shabad, the shabad is both suksham and asthool because the mind is made of the (tatta da sato ansh)….the sat (virtue/true/purest) form of the qualities.

3)Sukham= sookham (astral/spiritual)

When the shabad abhyaas (meditation on the shabad) surpasses the consciousness(surat) of the mind, and gets absorbed in the paar baani (the celestial emanations of the primal sound)..(this is also called, naabhi di baani (sounds of the naval chakra). That baani has the ability to take the jeev’s surti (the consciousness of the being) to the pinnacle point of brahm (the point from which creation was started).

For this reason, you should all focus on the shabad.

5th technique: Viraat Upsana

Recite vahiguroo through your mind and at the same time visualize first start with people/places you dislike - see light in them then move on bringin the whole creation (parkirti) inside and try to feel as if every inch of this universe is reciting vahiguroo's name - leafs, waterfall, valley, tree's , wind.. as if you are seeing light's everything.

this way our mind which is dualistic see two (see god separate from creation) changes into non-dualistic mode which is see oneness (god's light in every being).

Techniques by sant baba aya singh ji hoti mardan (sub branch of bhai dya singh samparda). Sant aiya singh ji was murshid of sant jawala singh ji. Note this technique is given to sangat where there is not only sikhsangat but everyone- hindu and muslim:

refererence: The Radiance of complete journey to Akaal Purkh

chapter- Sant baba Aiya Singh Hoti Mardan giving sermons to Sangat.

Diffferent ways of Meditation.

1. Meditating by focusing eyesight on rising sun. It's done in winter. Hindus call it trianghlar concentration.

2. Shugal Mayyat or Mansuri..some hindus call it dead body's posture it is done by lying on ground on back with mind upwards, body completely loose and eye sight focused on behind the brows.

3. Breathing control in which attention is focused on third mole. It's equal to the first one and is done via padam asan(cross legged position)

4. Attention is focused inside as well as outside on the fae of Guru(mentor).

In this way, one enjoys the unique fruits of spiritual life and hidden secrets are uncovered.

5. Shugal Ishnan Jat- In this, attention is focued on kalava shanovari due to this practice the mediator gets absorbed into his own self.

6. Shugal Aina (Means of Mirror)- It involves eye sight focussing on eye pupil in the reflection. This way eye-pupils over turn inwardly and get's to white spot or third mole.

7. Half awakened position- By this eyes are constantly kept open to avoid sleep. Therefore even though in sleep one remains half awake.

8. Inner form and intellect are concentrated upon white spot.

9. Eye- sight is focussed on the nose-tip then gradually moves backward to the nose-root. Going inward one has to enter realm of subtility. Yogis call it Chacri Mudra. It is also mentioned in Gita. Meditation phase contains three types:

1. Meditation upon Guru's phsyical form.

2. By concentrating on the place of the spirit in the body one feels light like a lamp. This is subtle medtiation.

3. The comes Guru's light form above the path of God's and ancestors and stays with the Sikh(learner).

This way seeker merges into God. Shamas Tarbez says, "I become you and you become me and my life so that no one distinguish between you and me". Perfect meditation disolves the trinity of worship, worshipper and object of worship. Worshipper and the object of worship become one. God or Guru's beautiful face only can be seen with sacred eyes, look at him with excitement and asthetic sense just as muslims look up the moon of Id, It's is not every eye's business to have a glance of True Guru's light form. Only fortunate ones attain to this status. But human being instead of listening to spiritual voice is given to hear outer souns. Alas ! you are bounded by phsyical chains and do not listen to holy voice of mercyful god.

Love: Love is the divine Law. It will win where reason fails

God is love and love is God

I think this is enough for the sangata, there are soo many techniques in guru ghar, no technique is higher than other or more gurmatiya than others, what is highest of all and common within all is "prem" towards Vahiguroo which leads to "Gurparsad".

IkOngkar Satnaam Kartapurkh Nirbhau Nirvair Akaal Morat Ajooni Saihbhang Gurparsad

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Here are some points to ponder upon:

1) If the saroop of Siri Guru Granth Sahib jee is not there, can amrit sinchaar be done? I don't think so.

Agreed, however it's not the black and white as our beloved sikhs of tapoban like to claim. Back in puratan times it was harsh circumstances, there are stories of amrit sanchars where amrit sanchar are held in jungles only pothis was used to instead of sri guru granth sahib ji maharaj intiate people are into the khalsa brother hood because times were harsh- enemy attacks were high on khalsa, these people who intiated in those harsh circumstances, they got shaheediya, would you guys call their amrit invalid? don't think so.

Neverthless, right now there are no harsh times, i fully agree, sri guru granth sahib ji should be present while doing amrit sanchar to make it valid - harsh time with reason above could be always exceptional.

2) If there are only 4 Gursikhs and not 5 Gursikhs to do sewa in Punj Pyaray can such amrit sinchaar be valid? I don't think so.

Fully agreed there.

3) If Sarblohi Baata and Sarblohi Khanda is not there can such amrit sinchaar be valid? I don't think so?

This is same type of mindset nihangs of uk shares when they claim if there is no sri dasam guru granth sahib ji parkash present beside sri guru granth sahib ji then amrit is invalid.

This type of mindset is very dangerous, with that mindset one can easily over look at the real spiritual signifiance of amrit sanskar -khanda da amrit which is Naaaaaaaam Amrit !!!!!!!!

I am sure Guru's Mat is much higher than this , that he would care for nitty details in maryada which has socio religious significance not spiritual significance (naam).

If brothers in tapoban care soo much for it, then i m sorry to say, in their amrit sanchar i don't see parkash of sri dasam granth which atleast seem like more significant reasoning than these small things. yeah classic tat khalsa reasoning.

4) Punj Pyaray ask for heads at the time of amrit sinchaar. Before the abhilaakhis can go inside to give head, they must wear full baana including all kakaars and dastaar. If they don't wear kakaars, can their head be accepted or will they even reach that point where their head will be asked? I don't think so.

Agreed.

They must wear baana to enter amrit sinchaar mandal. If they don't wear dastaar, can their heads be accepted? No way. this daas is of the firm determination that Siri Guru Gobind Singh jee Maharaaj would never accept a head without the dastaar or without kakaars. It may be acceptable if the Gursikh wears the dastaar but does not consider it a kakaar but accepts it to part of mandatory baana like many Nihungs and Taksalis do but to offer your nanga head without a dastaar and just covered with a thin chunni, is not acceptable.

Agreed overall but again according to takht maryada, keski is not kakar

5) If Punj Pyaray just give you Naam but don't implant it inside you or don't teach you how to japp Naam, how would you japp it? Without method, how do you japp Naam? Where do you focus your dhyaan? So it's best if Punj Pyaray teach how to japp Naam.

Naam Dridtha post above, pleas read.

Naam is given by panj pyares. But naam jugtiya can be given by mahapursh. First naam is given by only panj pyares. BUT Naam simran jugti can be given by one of pyares who is consider jathedar muki within panj pyares. Traditionally Bhai Dya Singh Ji is known as mukhi of panj pyares, rest of the pyares made him jathedar out of respect, most of decisions were made by him after consulting with his fellow beloved. Whoever is mukhi have full authority to give naam jugtiya regardless if other pyares were present or not.. .. Read a whole chapter of bhagti atamik updesh to sikhs by bhai dya singh ji in Gurpartap Soraj parkash granth.

There is a reference of Bhai dya singh ji in Soraj Parkash granth himself giving updesh not only sikhs but hindus too on atam gyan. I agree naam can be given by panj pyares only but naam jugti can be given by mukhi of panj pyares, regardless if other pyares are present or not..check with any puratan samparda's they will tell you.

6) Punj Pyaray should give amrit and not "Ikk Pyara". In all organizations I have heard of, Punj Pyaray prepare amrit but in most cases, one one pyara imparts amrit to seekers. This is not correct maryada. The whole purpose of receive amrit 5 times in your mouth, 5 times in your eyes and 5 times in your hair is to enable each one of the Punj Pyaray do so. I know in AKJ this maryada is still going on. Some other jathas may have it too and they are dhan if they are maintaining this maryada. But most of them have lost it.

Naam is given by panj pyares. But naam jugtiya can be given by mahapursh. First naam is given by only panj pyares. BUT Naam simran jugti can be given by one of pyares who is consider jathedar muki within panj pyares. Traditionally Bhai Dya Singh Ji is known as mukhi of panj pyares, rest of the pyares made him jathedar out of respect, most of decisions were made by him after consulting with his fellow beloved. Whoever is mukhi have full authority to give naam jugtiya regardless if other pyares were present or not.. .. Read a whole chapter of bhagti atamik updesh to sikhs by bhai dya singh ji in Gurpartap Soraj parkash granth.

There is a reference of Bhai dya singh ji in Soraj Parkash granth himself giving updesh not only sikhs but hindus too on atam gyan. I agree naam can be given by panj pyares only but naam jugti can be given by mukhi of panj pyares, regardless if other pyares are present or not..check with any puratan samparda's they will tell you.

If there are small differences in maryada we should ignore them but if a person chhaks amrit with totally non-maryada (e.g. Nanaksari, pakhandi saadh amrit like Kashmira Singh etc) then I think its fair for a rehitvaan Singh to not do roti beti dee saanjh with such person, not out of hatred but out of respect and love for Gurmat Maryada.

I find it very disguisted at looking at arrogrant attitudes of kulbir singh by calling nanaksar amrit sanchar as invalid, well no wonder tapoban gets out cast by nihangs when they cuss them out by being bhramins (not partaking meat) , act like nihangs by using their bana with having no prior knowledge(santhiya and vaikhiya) of dasam granth sahib, no knowledge of shastar vidya yet carry 9 foot kirpan and not having dasam granth sahib in their amrit sanchar yet hijack the label of nihangs by stealing their life style- neela bana.

Atleast nanaksari being nirmale samparda don't act like nihangs because they are stand alone institution and having background links with nirmale (bachuon upsamparda of bhai dya singh ji).

Tapoban seems to have indentiy crisis on its own.

Such statements like "Amrit prepared by all organizations is same" are nonsense statements.

Why cant he cut the bullocks? be straight up claim- tapobanis or akj are only source of the "real amrit" and rest are fake. probably they don't want to make it sound blunt because then they loose their

"recruits"

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    • yeh it's true, we shouldn't be lazy and need to learn jhatka shikaar. It doesn't help some of grew up in surrounding areas like Slough and Southall where everyone thought it was super bad for amrit dharis to eat meat, and they were following Sant babas and jathas, and instead the Singhs should have been normalising jhatka just like the recent world war soldiers did. We are trying to rectifiy this and khalsa should learn jhatka.  But I am just writing about bhog for those that are still learning rehit. As I explained, there are all these negative influences in the panth that talk against rehit, but this shouldn't deter us from taking khanda pahul, no matter what level of rehit we are!
    • How is it going to help? The link is of a Sikh hunter. Fine, but what good does that do the lazy Sikh who ate khulla maas in a restaurant? By the way, for the OP, yes, it's against rehit to eat khulla maas.
    • Yeah, Sikhs should do bhog of food they eat. But the point of bhog is to only do bhog of food which is fit to be presented to Maharaj. It's not maryada to do bhog of khulla maas and pretend it's OK to eat. It's not. Come on, bro, you should know better than to bring this Sakhi into it. Is this Sikh in the restaurant accompanied by Guru Gobind Singh ji? Is he fighting a dharam yudh? Or is he merely filling his belly with the nearest restaurant?  Please don't make a mockery of our puratan Singhs' sacrifices by comparing them to lazy Sikhs who eat khulla maas.
    • Seriously?? The Dhadi is trying to be cute. For those who didn't get it, he said: "Some say Maharaj killed bakras (goats). Some say he cut the heads of the Panj Piyaras. The truth is that they weren't goats. It was she-goats (ਬਕਰੀਆਂ). He jhatka'd she-goats. Not he-goats." Wow. This is possibly the stupidest thing I've ever heard in relation to Sikhi.
    • Instead of a 9 inch or larger kirpan, take a smaller kirpan and put it (without gatra) inside your smaller turban and tie the turban tightly. This keeps a kirpan on your person without interfering with the massage or alarming the masseuse. I'm not talking about a trinket but rather an actual small kirpan that fits in a sheath (you'll have to search to find one). As for ahem, "problems", you could get a male masseuse. I don't know where you are, but in most places there are professional masseuses who actually know what they are doing and can really relieve your muscle pains.
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