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I thought we don't believe in any heaven or hell then why does it states in guru granth sahib ji again and again.

Hell= This world we living in and returning into the cycle of birth and death

Heven=Re-uniting with Guru Saahib; SaachKand. Ending cycles of Birth and Death.

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There are so many myths in Sikhi now that we don't know the reality of what Guru Sahib said.

So many myths like "Guru Sahib says there is no heaven or hell" and "all paths lead to God" or "there is no Hindu nor Muslim".

These things are just made up and then preached. They aren't true.

There is a heaven and a hell but a Gursikh isn't interested in them. They are temporary places where a soul gets reward for its karma and then is sent back to reincarnation. Guru Sahib mentions the existence of heaven and hell many times. For a GURSIKH it is true that real heaven is remembrance of God and hell is forgetting but that doesn't mean they don't exist otherwise. A Gursikh aims to go to Sachkhand which is much higher than any heaven.

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There are so many myths in Sikhi now that we don't know the reality of what Guru Sahib said.

So many myths like "Guru Sahib says there is no heaven or hell" and "all paths lead to God" or "there is no Hindu nor Muslim".

These things are just made up and then preached. They aren't true.

There is a heaven and a hell but a Gursikh isn't interested in them. They are temporary places where a soul gets reward for its karma and then is sent back to reincarnation. Guru Sahib mentions the existence of heaven and hell many times. For a GURSIKH it is true that real heaven is remembrance of God and hell is forgetting but that doesn't mean they don't exist otherwise. A Gursikh aims to go to Sachkhand which is much higher than any heaven.

i like what u said

a gursikh doesnt care about heaven or hell

soon as one hands over their head to the guru, then why need to worri about going to heaven or hell?

didnt we jus offer our heads?

now we're worrying if we'll make it or not

a gursikh trusts whatever decision waheguru may have for them.

japu.....

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as a sikh, its very hard to not momentarily think about or view things that are seen as sexual or intimate, man we see everyday if u in the city u see posters etc....u watch english films and they may have scenes of a sexual nature e.g. 12a rated even these days....but if u are punished for a thousand+ years for every thought man...........i knw all my friends and then even me...are goin down for 1500 to the power of a million...

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but if u are punished for a thousand+ years for every thought man...........i knw all my friends and then even me...are goin down for 1500 to the power of a million...
having thoughts is one thing, buh actually cultivating those thoughts and acting upon it is other. i dont think there is any kaam sawad(taste) in thoughts, its the act guruji is talking about. also, dont go on numbers, the numbers here mean nothing. if say, hey man i've told you a 100 times, that doesn't mean i've actually told you EXACTLY 100 times. :D
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having thoughts is one thing, buh actually cultivating those thoughts and acting upon it is other. i dont think there is any kaam sawad(taste) in thoughts, its the act guruji is talking about. also, dont go on numbers, the numbers here mean nothing. if say, hey man i've told you a 100 times, that doesn't mean i've actually told you EXACTLY 100 times. :D

It is the thoughts tht lead to actions. getting those thoughts itself qualifies as kaam.

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lets do this then after we have had children lets gt out our bits surgically removed, so that we cant get aroused by our partners! For gods sak, kaam is when you adulture not when you watch porn, nothing wrog with it,it relieves you from sexua tension and stops you from being randy. If the akj had controle over sikhi then sex even within a marriage appart for the reason for making babies would be condemned!

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It is the thoughts tht lead to actions. getting those thoughts itself qualifies as kaam.
i see what you are saying BUT a mere thought by itself has no power if one doesn't act upon it :D thoughts will come and go, this mind is always manufacturing something but the challange is not to listen to it :D thats the whole game, if one can do that with guru kirpa then we set :TH:

and way to put your point across vikramjeet rolleyes.gif its relieves tension you say, murders say the same thing when it comes to anger rolleyes.gif

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lets do this then after we have had children lets gt out our bits surgically removed, so that we cant get aroused by our partners! For gods sak, kaam is when you adulture not when you watch porn, nothing wrog with it,it relieves you from sexua tension and stops you from being randy. If the akj had controle over sikhi then sex even within a marriage appart for the reason for making babies would be condemned!

Don't think you read my post:

ਸੁਪਨੈ ਬਿੰਦੁ ਨ ਦੇਈ ਝਰਨਾ ॥

सुपनै बिंदु न देई झरना ॥

supnai bind na day-ee jharnaa.

He does not lose his semen, even in his dreams;

Spilling seed needlessly is wrong.

Sex is required only for reproduction.

Kaam = lust. When you watch porn, you are lusting over the woman - doing her etc.

When you have reached the pinnacle of Sikhi, you have complete control over your actions, including lustful thoughts. At that stage, nothing can arouse you no matter what is tried, unless you will it so.

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