Beadbi - ?

[kaal_tuhi]

FATEH JI,

We all throw around this word BEADBI - many people translate it as dishonour, disrespect, even perversion of the truth - but what does this word mean when applied to Siri Guru Granth Sahib, our Gurdwaras, and our Sikhi - when is it beadbi and when is it not - who decides is it the person who shouts loudest? And if so is this gursikhi?

I'm confused...

[singh2k]

i used to think beadbi was a drug

[Charandhoor Singh]

Gurfateh.

Very interesting post, I too have been thinking about this for a long time. I think it can be said that what constitutes 'beadbi' depends on an individuals perception and their ability to rally other people round them. It is a word with severe connotations and one which which has a great emotional and psychological impact. Therefore it is a very dangerous word whcih can harbour dangerous consequences. The word 'Beadbi' has been thrown around and I do think it is the group with the loudest voice that decided what constitutes beadbi. Difficuilty arises in difference in ideology, for example it has long been a tradition to shower maharaj with beautiful flowers, however, many people now consider this an act of beadbi.

There is no established and recognised organistional hierarchy free from ideological bias which determines what is beadbi, and perhaps there should be. Until there is people will decide for themselves or more likely follow what other say is beadbi. Whilst it should be the duty of every Gursikh to prevent the beadbi of maharaj, i too am slighlty confused at the almost 'commercialisation' of beadbi.

[Sarbloh]

Gurfateh.

Very interesting post, I too have been thinking about this for a long time. I think it can be said that what constitutes 'beadbi' depends on an individuals perception and their ability to rally other people round them. It is a word with severe connotations and one which which has a great emotional and psychological impact. Therefore it is a very dangerous word whcih can harbour dangerous consequences. The word 'Beadbi' has been thrown around and I do think it is the group with the loudest voice that decided what constitutes beadbi. Difficuilty arises in difference in ideology, for example it has long been a tradition to shower maharaj with beautiful flowers, however, many people now consider this an act of beadbi.

There is no established and recognised organistional hierarchy free from ideological bias which determines what is beadbi, and perhaps there should be. Until there is people will decide for themselves or more likely follow what other say is beadbi. Whilst it should be the duty of every Gursikh to prevent the beadbi of maharaj, i too am slighlty confused at the almost 'commercialisation' of beadbi.

Very strong comments veerji! I agree with your points. I suppose the organisational hierarchy has to be the Akal Takht Sahib. Looking back at the R4G campaign, they initially engaged in eradicating the bad practice of taking the pavitar saroop of Sri Guru Granth Sahib jee to hotels and halls via the 1998 hukumnama. Credit where credit's due they managed to create national awareness within the UK Sikh community and have contributed in a big way to minimising this bad practice in the UK and even influenced Sikhs in US to do something. This was primarily due to the fact that they were focusing on one specific issue of beadbi and were moderately humble in their approach. I actually attended the big meeting with Northampton Gurdwara prabhadak committee a few years ago as well as the Camberley protest which was in my view handled in a peaceful panthic way. I was also present at Leamington where I feel it went all wrong and I think by then a sense on indestructibility and egos had started entering the Singhs which showed that the movement or lehar could move towards the wrong direction if egos did not come back down.

As the term beadbi is so broad and subjective it is also open to manipulation, where now other groups of individuals seem to feel that by focusing on a beadbi issue will give them a boost in manpower and supporters. It is all about who can shout the loudest now and who has the manpower!!!

[Charandhoor Singh]

Questions and points raised perhaps illustrates the reality of the anti beadbi campaign.

[akaash]

I think is is now important to not weigh issues by beadbi but rather whether it is Manmat or Gurmat.

It is manmat to take SGGS to hotels, but what about other issues?

Gurmat vs Manmat has set rules, rehit maryadas and Gurbani to justify. Everything is not 100% beadbi.