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Nishan Sahibs And Battle Standards

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Banda Bahadurs armies were led into battle with a Nishaan Sahib with Hanumaan on it, was this also at the times of the Mahants and Hindu caretakers Sarpach? The tegha of Guru Hargobind Sahib which is kept by the Bidhi Chandis has Kaali standing over Shivji, im guessing Guru Hargobind must have been influenced by the Mahants? The old handwritten birs of Adi Guru Granth and Dasam Guru Granth have pictures of Kalika, Shiva, Adnarishwara, Chandi and all other Devi Devte on them, are these also the works of the Mahants and Hindus?

Your arson type mentality is great, havent you learnt anything else apart from how to use a lighter?

Really? Do you have any idea what the constitution of Banda Singh Bahadur's army was? Was the Hanuman Nishan Sahib carried by the Khalsa that was with Banda Singh, or the common Hindus who joined him from the villages or the men sent by the Rama and Tiloka? Maybe it was held by the Gujjars who were also with him? As Banda Singh also had some Muslims in his armies are we now to start flying green flags as a part of Sikhi? Is the Tegh of Guru Hargobind something that was specifically order to be made by the Guru? or was it a gift or even captured in battle? Does the orginal Guru Granth Sahib written by Bhai Gurdas have pictures of Kalika, Chandi etc? Do the Nishans depicted in the pictures of the Gurus above show Devi/Devtas or are they depicted in the images from the times of Maharaja Ranjit Singh, a time when Brahminism was at its height in Sikhi.

Btw in this image you can see a Nihang but which samparda do the two people behind Guru Gobind Singh belong to? They don't look like Nihangs or Sewapanthis, Nirmalas and certainly not Udasis?

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Learn some critical analysis skills before posting blanket statements.

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Close-up of the Guru's sword. Note the engravings and fine work done in gold. This was the sword used to kill Painde Khan in battle (in late April 1635).

Note the third engraving it shows Kali holding various Shastars a Trashul and Falcate type sword can be seen.

No doubt the bramins also snuck in here during Guru jis sleep and engraved the goddess in to his sword! rolleyes.gif

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The pictures are not showing up this is probably due to the paranoia which some of the mods also suffer from nonono.gif

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The flag with the degh katar and chakkar may be our flag...

But the one with hanuman and/or godesses on it obviously not!

Many in the 'army' of the gurus or banda bahadur and even Ranjit Singh were hindus... And btw, Guru Nanak dev ji was gifted a chola with allah hu akbar and some other verses on it... They obviously wore it sometimes or even once... Does it mean they were muslim???? NOOOO

Agree with lsingh, sarpanch and proactive.

Disagree with gurbar akaal and dancing warrior.

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sunnybond singh makes a really gud point with guru jes chola

thas true, a lot of stuff were given as gifts, doesnt mean they were hindus or muslims

read the writings of guru je, which clearly explains their teachings

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A lot of Brahmin influence crept in during the time of the Mahants and Hindu caretakers eg:paintings,and frescos,if i saw those Shiva style flags now I would burn them to be honest and frank.

lol lol hatred, hatred, what an example of a true sikh of Baba Nanak Ji

The pictures are not showing up this is probably due to the paranoia which some of the mods also suffer from :((

:LOLz: :LOLz: :LOLz: :LOLz: yeh man insecurities, doesn't agree with their type of sikhi. don't let the SGPC find out, they might "excommunicate" u from "their" panth lol :) ))))

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Freed ji, thanks so much for these great pictures. I believe the second figure in the flag (next to Kartikkeya) in the 7th image of the 3rd of your posts might be Varha, the the third avatar of Vishnu's ten avatars. I'm assuming this because he sports a wild boar's snout as well as a prominent miter; which in Hindu iconography is a symbol exclusively for Vishnu and his avatars. Varha also happens to be a major fighting stance/style in traditional Sikh martial arts (shastar vidya). It is fitting that he would be associated with the Sikh military.

For my fellow Singhs/Kaurs, I would request that you look at these pictures with an open mind. We cannot deny the fact that there are mentions and even praise of entities commonly assumed to be Hindu deities in our many art forms (even our martial arts) and scriptures. It is a terrible misconception that the Gurus worshiped Devis and Devtas, these entities are personifications of both universal and internal spiritual elements. They should be interpreted not literally but rather metaphorically (as should much of our bani) so that we can attain that spiritual awakening that the Guru intended we have. Have faith in Akal Purakh, the one and only worthy of worship!

Gurfateh!

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The Chandi Nishan Sahibs were firstly the battle standards of a region, when the Khalsa Fauj took over a certain region, to avoid confusion, they took the battle standard and then the members of that region tended to fight under the Empire-just to clear any misconception or controversy, as well as a Nishan Sahib representing a group of people, it can also represent a region, for example how in the U.K. each city has it's own coat of arms, each region in India in the past would have it's own Nishan.

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