Fundamental Differences Between 'brahmgianis'

[kurtas]

"If they are real Sant then they are naturally Brahmgiani"

Im afriad most Sikh scholars (puratan and contemporary), theologians and anyone else trained in Sikh spirtual traditions would disagree, there are differences between Sadhu, Sant, and Brahmgiani - with the state of brahmgiani being the pinnacle of spirtual achievement. Sant Singh Maskin and various other have done kaha on it. However thats not the focus of discussion.

Come on explain ....

Are you telling me that Guru Ji and bhagats were not brahmgiani (this with the reference to Sant as in Gur Sant in Gurbani) ? If any scholar tells you that you should tell them to do one.

[Slugz]

Umm, this is an interesting/debatable topic, but the objective is undeniable. If two people believe in two COMPLETELY different things, and that there is only one definitive answer, then obviously someone has to be wrong, there's no way around that.

If Shaheed Bhai Mani Singh Ji and Shaheed Baba Deep Singh Ji BOTH read Raagmala then I don't understand why this topic needs to be discussed, because who could know Kalgidhar Patshah better than his 'best friend' (Bhai Mani Singh Ji grew up with Guru Gobind Singh Ji Maharaj) and Shaheed Baba Deep Singh Ji (read his jeevan, its amazing how much he did for the Panth.)

In regards to the question, if you know anything about Baba Nand Singh Ji Maharaj, Baba Isher Singh Ji Maharaj (Nanaksar), Baba Attar Singh Ji Maharaj you'll see how they had EXACTLY the same opinions/practices as each other. So, personally, I believe them to be PURAN Bramgyian's beyond a shadow of a doubt.

Finally, the most important thing to take away from the video is that, no matter the "Dera" (be it Nanaksar, AKJ, Thaksal, 3HO, Rara Sahib, Baru Sahib etc.) they all had three common objectives...

1) Khande Bateh Da Amrit (Give your head to Guru Nanak Dev Ji Maharaj).

2) No meat, alcohol, intoxicants.

3) And most importantly, GURU MAINO GRANTH... nothing BESIDES the Guru Granth Sahib Ji Maharaj is our Guru.

Oh well, read any of their Jeevans, and one can only be inspired to learn more and try to achieve something that they'd be proud of.

Bhul Chak Maaf if I've said anything wrong.

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[Charandhoor Singh]

3) And most importantly, GURU MAINO GRANTH... nothing BESIDES the Guru Granth Sahib Ji Maharaj is our Guru.

Thats just it, again guru manyeo granth - however there are *Edited* Topics that are not Allowed.

[Slugz]

3) And most importantly, GURU MAINO GRANTH... nothing BESIDES the Guru Granth Sahib Ji Maharaj is our Guru.

Thats just it, again guru manyeo granth - however there are *Edited* Topics that are not Allowed.

*Edited* Topics that are not Allowed.

[Charandhoor Singh]

correct

[Guest A Singh.]

What makes you sure that anyone is a "Brahmgyani"? Other than going upon general opinion? Or what makes you so sure there are not many other "Brahmgyanis" you have not heard of?

Unless you have the same amount of Naam Kamai, I fail to see how you can objectively (objectively - ie not attempting to promote one's own agenda or beliefs at the same time) measure the Naam Kamai of an individual unless you have a similar amount yourself, without even taking into account the fact you are discussing individuals who lived many decades ago.

[khalistan_zindabaad]

Sant Baba Jawala Singh Ji and Sant Baba Gurbachan Singh Ji

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh

Once Sant Baba Gurbachan Singh Ji Bhindranwale went to Harkhowal to see Sant Baba Jawala Singh Ji.

They were going Vichar when suddenly tears began to flow from Sant Baba Gurbachan Singh Ji’S eyes. Sant Jawala Singh Ji saw this and asked "Sant Ji Tusi Udaas Kathaie Ho? (Why are you sad Sant Ji?)

Sant Jawala Singh Ji then said we were together in our past life, we are together in this life and we will be together in our next life. I will do Langar di seva and you will spread the Vidiya.

The reason why tears began to flow from Sant Baba Gurbachan Singh Ji's eyes was because Sant Baba Jawala Singh Ji was about to go back home to Sachkhand. Sant Baba Jawala Singh Ji knew why Sant Baba Gurbachan Singh Ji was shedding tears so in Bairaag bachan by Sant Baba Jawala Singh Ji was given to Sant Baba Gurbachan Singh Ji.

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh

Taken from ikonkaar.blogspot.com

Im pretty sure everyone would agree that they were brahm gyanis. . . Lets now close this thread.

[khalistan_zindabaad]

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh

When Sri Maan Sant Gyani Baba Gurbachan Singh Ji left for Sachkhand he was at Mehta. At the time Sant Ji left for his eternal home there were about a hundred Singhs with him. One of these Singhs was called Bhai Gurmukh Singh Ji who had come from Orissa and who had joined Satguru Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji Maharaj’s Taksal when he was very young.

Bhai Gurmukh Singh is the Singh standing on the Right next to Sant Ji

During Sant Baba Gurbachan Singh Ji’s life, Bhai Gurmukh Singh Ji was always with Sant Ji. Anywhere Sant Ji would go, Bhai Sahib would go there too. Bhai Gurmukh Singh would do a lot of Seva for Sant Ji and the rest of the Singhs in the jatha. He had dedicated his whole life to this seva.

Bad thoughts would not come to his mind and he was always reciting the name of Akaal Purakh. Bhai Sahib would hardly sleep and would get up very early to begin his very long nitnem, along with 3-4 hours of Naam Abhiyaas. Bhai Sahib would also do Jorria Di Seva every day, when no one would see him.

Bhai Gurmukh Singh Ji had a very high avastha and it was for this reason he was able to spend the majority of his life in the company of puran Brahmgyanis like Sant Baba Gurbachan Singh Ji, Sant Baba Kartar Singh Ji and Sant Baba Thakur Singh Ji.

Most of us can only hope for a glimpse of these beautiful souls, but just imagine the amount of naam abiyhaas Bhai Sahib had done not only in this life but those previous to this one too which let him spend nearly all his life with these jewels of the panth.

On 28th June 1961 at Mehta on Thursday at 2.10am Sant Gyani Baba Gurbachan Singh Ji’s breathing started slowing down and whilst doing Waheguru Simran, Sant Gyani Baba Gurbachan Singh Ji Khalsa Bhindranwale merged back into the light that they had come from.

Sant Ji’s body was kept inside and the rest of the Singhs were sleeping outside in the fields. Bhai Gurmukh Singh Ji although upset that Sant Ji had left him, still accepted Akaal Purakh’s hukam.

That night Bhai Gurmukh Singh Ji could not sleep. After Sant Ji left this world Bhai Sahib went and had ishanaan. Bhai Sahib then did his nitnem and naam abiyhaas and then began to do Jooria Di Seva. As Bhai Sahib was doing this, he got darshan of Sri Maan Sant Gyani Baba Gurbachan Singh Ji Bhindranwale.

Bhai Sahib looked in awe of Sant Ji and he started to cry tears of happiness. Sant Ji told Bhai Sahib that he had dedicated his life to sikhi and seva and that Guru Nanak Dev Ji Maharaj was very pleased with him. As a result of this Sant Ji asked Bhai Gurmukh Singh Ji to return home to the beautiful feet of Dhan Guru Nanak Dev Ji Maharaj with him.

At about 4.00am the rest of the Singhs from the jatha had woken up and had done their ishnaan and were doing their nitnem. Bhai Gurmukh Singh Ji came and sat with the jatha of Singhs and he constantly had the name of Waheguru on his lips just like he had done for most of his life.

Sant Gurbachan Singh Ji’s body was then taken to Amritsar Sahib were water was taken from the sarovar. Sant Ji’s ishnaan was performed outside the Gurudwara complex. Before returning home Sant Ji had told Singhs that he wanted his body to be cremated at Patalpuri, Sri Kiratpur Sahib. As a result Sant Ji’s body was taken there.

Many Singhs from the Jatha did Kirtan that day. A pyre was then prepared from fresh wood. Sant Ji’s body was then placed on the pyre as Kirtan continued to be sung.

A Singh then began to recite Sri Japji Sahib Ji. Other Singh’s continued to set the pyre while reciting Sri Japji Sahib Ji in their hearts. After 20 minutes the recitation of Sri Japji Sahib Ji was completed and Ardas was done by the Singhs. After this Ardas the pyre was then lit. Sri Sohila Sahib Ji was then recited by a Singh.

Bhai Gurmukh Singh Ji was standing near to the pyre. When Sri Sohila Sahib Ji path was completed Bhai Sahib jumped into the pyre so that he could return home to the feet of Dhan Guru Nanak Dev Ji Maharaj with Sant Ji. Some Singhs who were near Bhai Sahib tried to stop him by holding him back. But how could anyone stop Bhai Sahib from going home?

If we touch something hot we get hurt and we cry out in pain. But when Bhai Sahib jumped into the pyre he did so with a smile on his face. There was no pain, no tears; no crying out, all Bhai Sahib was saying was waheguru, waheguru, waheguru, waheguru, waheguru this was also done with a smile on his face.

Bhai Gurmukh Singh Ji’s soul returning to its eternal home.

Vaheguru . . . Now we have people debating wether these gursikhs were brahm gyanis. . this sakhi is just amazing. . . look the pyaar gursikhs had between themselfs

Dhan guru dhan guru pyarey

Taken from ikonkaar.blogspot.com

The bachan of a Brahmgyani is exactly the same as a bachan from Akaal Purakh. Bhai Gurmukh Singh Ji didn’t have to think twice about it, such was his love for Sant Ji.

[Jamdhoot]

all that left to decide is that are people like baba garbachan singh bhindrawale, baba takhur singh, baba isher singh etc.... are brahmgyanis or bhai randir singh is brahmgyani.....

My Guess Is As Good As Yours

[khalistan_zindabaad]

Gurfateh. . .

We have no right to decide anything. . .as we (myself) has no kamai at all. . . we definately ent brahm gyanis so how can we decide . . . its impossible. The other point is the amount of seva bhai randheer singh jee jee did for the kaum. . . im pretty sure none of us can match that either. . . and the main thing is he had a gursikh jeevan . . . fair enought i do not agree with alot of his points. . . but he did have a great gursikh jeevan which i defo ent got.

Dhan guru dhan guru pyarey.