Budha Dal Jathedari

[proactive]

baba santa singh gaddar .... ???? atleast he didnt changed the fifth kakkar like other gaddar of sikh panth has done

lol sgpc tried hard to get the seva but when not allowed they declared no one should take the seva .... if sgpc would have been allowed whould they be declared as gaddars ???? if its not nihangs then it would be army but the seva should have been done ....

in the END its only gurus wish whome he want to give seva ....

Jassa stop trying to rewite history just to big up Santa Singh. Other Sikhs organisations apart from SGPC were approached to do the Kar Sewa and EACH ONE refused solely because they agreed with the SGPC and the Panth that they wanted the compex to be freed from the jackboot of the Indian Army before the Kar Sewa could begin. Only Santa Singh agreed to do his Sarkar Sewa while the Indian Army was still in the complex. I remember reading at the time that some SGPC official said ' they think they are Guru Hargobind's Nihangs but they are more like Indira Gandhi's Nihangs' There are even pictures around which show Santa Singh sitting there directing the Sarkar Sewa while Central Reserve Police Force are providing armed protection. Guru Ki Ladli Fauj getting protection from Indian government

[jassa]

which other organistion were approached .... ???? sgpc talked with indra gandhi .... move the army out and let us build the akal takth sahib .... they said no .... no sikh samparda should be allowed and army will do seva .... then nihangs were approached .... and when the agreement was made on the other side sgpc was still trying to get the seva .... when they knew the seva is given ... they declared on the name of akal takth sahib ... no one should take the seva .... find ur self the exact dates .... was seva given first or sgpc said no one should take seva .....

how is writing history u know urself ..... lol ......

ok it would have been ok according to you if army would have done the seva ?????

[Guest Dancing Warrior]

baba santa singh gaddar .... ???? atleast he didnt changed the fifth kakkar like other gaddar of sikh panth has done

lol sgpc tried hard to get the seva but when not allowed they declared no one should take the seva .... if sgpc would have been allowed whould they be declared as gaddars ???? if its not nihangs then it would be army but the seva should have been done ....

in the END its only gurus wish whome he want to give seva ....

Jassa stop trying to rewite history just to big up Santa Singh. Other Sikhs organisations apart from SGPC were approached to do the Kar Sewa and EACH ONE refused solely because they agreed with the SGPC and the Panth that they wanted the compex to be freed from the jackboot of the Indian Army before the Kar Sewa could begin. Only Santa Singh agreed to do his Sarkar Sewa while the Indian Army was still in the complex. I remember reading at the time that some SGPC official said ' they think they are Guru Hargobind's Nihangs but they are more like Indira Gandhi's Nihangs' There are even pictures around which show Santa Singh sitting there directing the Sarkar Sewa while Central Reserve Police Force are providing armed protection. Guru Ki Ladli Fauj getting protection from Indian government

Proactive Ji,

Can you explain the following please

Indian armed forces destroyed 20%>< of the Thakat

Akali Baba Santa Singh Ji used money from the people who did the damage to rebuild it.

Why demolish all of the Thakat?

Who was responsible for this?

Why wasn’t just the 20% that had been restored demolished and rebuilt?

Why was it all floored and who was responsible?

Why was it built incorrectly and totally different from the original? and not according to how Guru HarGobind Ji had it originally built?

There has been much slander of Akali Baba Santa Singh Ji by yourself now let us discuss the people who are truly responsible for ultimate sacrilege. Who were they?

You have much hatred to Akali Baba Santa Singh, even wishing him dead, do you think this right? to wish a fellow human being suffering and death? Even Guru Gobind Singh Ji didn’t wish this on Aurangzeb.

No arguing, just calm debate

[proactive]

which other organistion were approached .... ???? sgpc talked with indra gandhi .... move the army out and let us build the akal takth sahib .... they said no .... no sikh samparda should be allowed and army will do seva .... then nihangs were approached .... and when the agreement was made on the other side sgpc was still trying to get the seva .... when they knew the seva is given ... they declared on the name of akal takth sahib ... no one should take the seva .... find ur self the exact dates .... was seva given first or sgpc said no one should take seva .....

how is writing history u know urself ..... lol ......

ok it would have been ok according to you if army would have done the seva ?????

So you are saying SGPC told Indira to move out army and SGPC will do Kar Sewa

OK that sounds right

Indira said No the army will do the sewa

Sounds right

Nihangs were approached

So suddenly from Indira saying no Army will do the work, suddenly Nihangs are approached. Do this make sense to you?

When Santa Singh got the sewa SGPC said no one should take the sewa

Nice little conspiracy theory. SGPC all the time was saying that as the elected representives of the Panth they were the only ones who should do the sewa. Indira was so scared that Sikhs worldwide would be able to see the damage to Akal Takht that she wanted to get it repaired as soon as possible. She was also scared that SGPC would leave some of the bulletmarks in the complex just as the Indians had done in Jallianwala to show each new generation about the atrocity. Santa helped her out and that was the reason he was kicked out of the Panth and that was why he accepted Tankah in 2001. You can do all the re-writing you want but these are the facts.

Dancing warrior

The demolition of Akal Takht was undertaken by militants linked to Damdami Taksal after a gathering of Sikhs had rejected the Akal Takht. Whether this was a right decision or not depends on what stand you take. Either you take the stand whatever job Santa had done for his masters was ok and the Akal Takht should be accepted by Sikhs or you take the view that it was for the Sikhs to undertake the kar Sewa and not Nihangs under the pay of Delhi helped out by Indian government builders. In which case the demolition was the correct thing to do.

I can see where you are going with this, Santa does something wrong but the ones who demolished the Akal Takht because of his accepting government money did a worst thing than he did. Now look at it from this angle, the Militants wouldn't have needed to demolish the Akal Takht if Santa Singh hadn't accepted the Sarkar Sewa. If Santa Singh had done what he has done throughout his life pre-1984 and post 1984 then we wouldn't be arguing over the demolition. Santa Singh tried to do one thing in Panthic affairs in 1984 and totally botched it up. That Kalank will be on his forehead forever. No Panthic Jathebandi had approached Santa Singh to do anything and it was on his own intiative he took to helping out Indira Gandhi.

Where did I wish Santa Singh dead? All I said that all gadars suffer a bad fate in the end.

[jassa]

So suddenly from Indira saying no Army will do the work, suddenly Nihangs are approached. Do this make sense to you?

becuase some sikhs in govt approched and said that army should not be given seva instead some sikh jathebandi .... if not SGPC then some other ... hope u got it this time ....

Nice little conspiracy theory. SGPC all the time was saying that as the elected representives of the Panth they were the only ones who should do the sewa. Indira was so scared that Sikhs worldwide would be able to see the damage to Akal Takht that she wanted to get it repaired as soon as possible. She was also scared that SGPC would leave some of the bulletmarks in the complex just as the Indians had done in Jallianwala to show each new generation about the atrocity. Santa helped her out and that was the reason he was kicked out of the Panth and that was why he accepted Tankah in 2001. You can do all the re-writing you want but these are the facts.

lol u know this is the only difference between singh having the mindset of hindus and nihangs .... like hindus used jalleyanwalla bagh to show the world what happened to them .... many wanted to use harimander sahib .... let their be bullet marks on wall .... this is not the place of worship this is a battle field ... lets show the world singhs are sheep now we cant gain freedom without the international support .... and then claim we are singhs ....

when ever a garh is made to fight against the enemy its a normal thing that it will get damaged .... only a fool will think the castle i m fighting from will not get damaged in the war .... is if why to use it to fight if u care so much for damage ????

baba santa singh helped panth and harimandir sahib .... u people had used harimandir sahib for own goodwill .... and wanted to exploit harimandir sahib more .... when baba santa singh got harimander sahib out of ur hand .... and made it a place how a gurudwara should be like .... there should be banni instead of nindeya of others ....

dont u wanted to get harimander sahib repaired as soon as possible ???? as u said .... according to u it should be in that condition as much time as it can ... so that people can come and see .... what is harimander sahib ???? te ohnu ki banna rahe ho ....

[proactive]

So suddenly from Indira saying no Army will do the work, suddenly Nihangs are approached. Do this make sense to you?

becuase some sikhs in govt approched and said that army should not be given seva instead some sikh jathebandi .... if not SGPC then some other ... hope u got it this time ....

Nice little conspiracy theory. SGPC all the time was saying that as the elected representives of the Panth they were the only ones who should do the sewa. Indira was so scared that Sikhs worldwide would be able to see the damage to Akal Takht that she wanted to get it repaired as soon as possible. She was also scared that SGPC would leave some of the bulletmarks in the complex just as the Indians had done in Jallianwala to show each new generation about the atrocity. Santa helped her out and that was the reason he was kicked out of the Panth and that was why he accepted Tankah in 2001. You can do all the re-writing you want but these are the facts.

lol u know this is the only difference between singh having the mindset of hindus and nihangs .... like hindus used jalleyanwalla bagh to show the world what happened to them .... many wanted to use harimander sahib .... let their be bullet marks on wall .... this is not the place of worship this is a battle field ... lets show the world singhs are sheep now we cant gain freedom without the international support .... and then claim we are singhs ....

when ever a garh is made to fight against the enemy its a normal thing that it will get damaged .... only a fool will think the castle i m fighting from will not get damaged in the war .... is if why to use it to fight if u care so much for damage ????

baba santa singh helped panth and harimandir sahib .... u people had used harimandir sahib for own goodwill .... and wanted to exploit harimandir sahib more .... when baba santa singh got harimander sahib out of ur hand .... and made it a place how a gurudwara should be like .... there should be banni instead of nindeya of others ....

dont u wanted to get harimander sahib repaired as soon as possible ???? as u said .... according to u it should be in that condition as much time as it can ... so that people can come and see .... what is harimander sahib ???? te ohnu ki banna rahe ho ....

I never said I wanted Harmandir Sahib or Akal Takht to remain in their damaged condition so please reply to what I say and not what you think i said, there's a big difference between the two. You have a very bad tendency to veer off topic just to make statements.

when ever a garh is made to fight against the enemy its a normal thing that it will get damaged .... only a fool will think the castle i m fighting from will not get damaged in the war .... is if why to use it to fight if u care so much for damage ????

So you think it was the Sikhs who made it into a battlefield? On another thread you said Sant Jarnail Singh was a gem?

baba santa singh helped panth and harimandir sahib .... u people had used harimandir sahib for own goodwill .... and wanted to exploit harimandir sahib more .... when baba santa singh got harimander sahib out of ur hand .... and made it a place how a gurudwara should be like .... there should be banni instead of nindeya of others ....

What are you going on about Harmandir Sahib and Santa Singh? No political speeches or Nindia was ever done in Harmandir Sahib so I don't know where you are getting your facts from.

The thing is that contray to Santa Singh's claim to be Jathedar of Budha Dal and head of fifth Takht he had to beat a hasty retreat when it came time for the government to hand over complex to SGPC. Since he claims that Budha Dal is rightful custodian of Akal Takht why didn't he stay there when the SGPC got the complex back. Fact is he would have been lynched by the Singhs if it weren't for his CRPF guards.

[Guest Lohgarh Singh]

so wat if baba santa singh used indian gov money?

if sum1 smashed up ur mp3 player or car or house etc, wudnt u expect them 2 pay 4 it?

[jassa]

sant bhindrawalle is a gem .... but akalidal leaders whome sant bhindrawalle belived blind eyed put him in such trap .... badal longowall were all their in harimander sahib till attack ... and they left .... what was the main purpose or plan was .... if army didnt attacked harimander sahib khalistan would have been made within 2 - 3 months .... even passports were issued currency was their .... and if army attacked harimander sahib then also khalistan will be made .... but the chance is less .... this thing was exploited by akalidal leaders and sant bhindrawalle were left alone .... and he like a lion faced army .... i hope its cleared when i say harimander sahib was made a battle whome i point to taksali singhs or political leaders ....

I never said I wanted Harmandir Sahib or Akal Takht to remain in their damaged condition so please reply to what I say and not what you think i said, there's a big difference between the two. You have a very bad tendency to veer off topic just to make statements.

then whats the problem ????? as u said if it is to be repaired .... then its repaired .... all are sikhs arent they ???? we should think ahead of sampardas isnt it .... or ur plan was different of repair leave the marks of bullets and use harimander sahib as a weapon against indian govt .... isnt it

[KH4L1$T4N1]

jassa stop with the double standards u can either big up great Shaheeds like Sant Jarnail Singh or Gadars like santa sio NOT BOTH!!!!!

and the damage should have stayed so the coming generations would remeber the saka, but now they have forgotten it all!!1

[jassa]

double standards of what ???? sant bhindrawalle is a shahhed .... who is disagreeing with that ???? next time come to some budhadals pandal on any jorrmelle fathegarh sahib chamkaur sahib .... every year 1984 is talked .... listen up urself whats budhadals views on shaheeds instead of making ur own stories in minds .... budhadal must have thaught this spoke this did this .... have u ever listened a nihang singh speaking about shahheds what are his views ?????