Pritam Singh Sekhon

[chatanga]

well Sant Jarnail Singh followed his predeccessors of the taksal for a start. also Guru Gobind Singh on 2 occasions followed the wishes of his followers. when leaders begin to follow is when there is progress.

[Provide]

If Mann had won the elections there would have been an emergency declaration overnight. Anyone who knows and understands Indian politics should understand that for Delhi Darbar regardless of whose in power, the Sikhs are viewed the same. Sikh nationalism is important to us Sikhs because we are the nationalists but to the Centre its an opposing force. Balram Jakkar in his 1987 speech suggested that sacrificing 2% of the population for the sake of the country would be worth it. Remember, the Indian security establishment has long known that the enemy of India is not external but rather internal and that being a scenario along the lines of civil war. They must not be underestimated. For the Indian establishment, its better to overestimate the Sikh hand then underestimate it as that would bring national unity in that they are up against a common enemy in this case the Sikhs.

You guys are too overweight on the elections. Our leaders whether panthic or otherwise are just not very good at getting things done other than giving speeches. When you are fighting an enemy that uses violence where you are using a democratic and non-violence approach, you won't stand a chance. In this ugly dance of death the only hand you have to play is the one that strikes the enemy first.

The Centre controls the budget, the pensions, the military, the IPS and IAS where only the junior level officers are controlled by the State. They control how much they would pay for the paddy and in an agricultural state like Punjab that would be disasterious if the farmers can't even break even. Simply put, they have the entire keyboard and mouse and know well that any of the keys if pressed could cause an avers affect. Put in another way, they control the water, the seed prices and the cost of the harvest and all we have is the land.

Face it nobody likes the Sikhs except the Sikhs themselves and as a result its only we who can help ourselves. The only weapon we have is our Sri Sahib and the knowledge and common sense to use it when deemed necessary.

Bittu along with Mann were the key actors in this struggle at the time whereby Bittu had much more experience than Mann as he spent more time in prison. You can't blame a person in this type of decision making as they say that hindsight is 20/20. However

When a person is a "Sardaar" like Mann, their comes along with this title a certain recognition that Sardaars only work for themselves. Has anyone seen how Mann treats his party workers? When Mann is on the stage, no body speaks. When Mann was celebrating his daughters wedding his party workers were crunched together in a corner waiting for the queue to be allowed to eat which they did when everyone left; you should have seen the site as it was a very sad display of the panthic party that I have been supporting to this day. I am not trying get personal with Mr. Mann but to rather show a window into his mind which is the mind of a feudal landlord.

Mann's release is a combination of events including his popularity. But it was this popularity that Rajive was trying the exploit against the Akali's. For Rajiv it was an excellent thing to do as this way he would have allowed the Sikhs to fight each other. Additionally, remember Rajive always had the last veto to declaring emergency. For the Indian state once again I reiterate that they are our puppet masters and thus call all of the shots as along as we play by their rules. However if we deviate from their rules than we will always stand a better chance to winning as they won't our next move. Look how difficult a time Hamas is having and yet they the full support of Iran and Syria and large amount of cash and a well developed structure. In our case we have no such support and hardly no cash.

When your people are suffering from an ongoing genocide you don't go to elections as a solution to the problem!

GurFateh........

Provide,

I don't think your point about a win for Mann making no difference is incorrect. Remember that it was a coalition Janata Dal government in Delhi and not a Congress one when the original decide was made to target any Sikhs standing for elections (1991 and not the later 1992 boycott) In 1991 the elections were cancelled by the government because a large number of candidates were killed as well as violence had increased during that time. Had the election been allowed to run their course in 1991 Mann would have won and he would have been the head of a Sikh government dealing with a non-Congress central government. Even in 1992 when the boycott not been announced Mann Dal would have won. It is hypothetical but I think most people would agree that the movement would have been in much better shape had Simranjeet Sing Mann been Punjab chief minister rather than Beant Singh. For one you would not have had the fake encounters that occurred and killed large numbers of Sikh youth between 1992-1994. You state that the central government could have declared emergency rule in Punjab, you are right it has powers to dismiss a state government but can you imagine what the knock the image of India would have got outside the country in International forums like UN and European Union? It is easy for a government to announce emergency rule when they are facing an armed group about whose support base and popularity the outsise world knows nothing about. It is a totally different matter to declare emergency rule and dismiss a popularly elected government.

You should not discount so lightly the effect on a people's national consciousness when they are able to elect a government which they believe will give them independence. Events like these have a habit of snowballing and even the most paranoid and oppressive government would find it difficult to act against a movement which has proven that it has mass support through an election win.

If you are still not convinced then ask yourself why the act of Rajiv Gandhi leaving the government after it's defeat in 1989 was to release Simranjeet Singh Mann. It was because Mann had shown his popularity with the Punjab voters and consequently he profile in the outside world had been raised. Had Rajiv not freed him and the Janata Dal government also kept him in prison then Mann for all intents and purposes would have become the Nelson Mandela of the Sikhs. This is why it came as such a surprise that the miltants announced a boycott and virtually gifted their sworn enemies the Congress the Chief Ministership of Punjab, when they had seen only a few years before how an election win had transformed Mann's profile and the morale of the movement.

[dasmesh_regiment]

everyone i have spoken to from uk usa canada who has met mann recently has said he is now slightly insane and is only worried about his own ego and son.

he is a mini badal.

[guptveer1469]

well since this argument started i kept quiet

but i'll say what my views on these two leaders are

Simranjeet Singh Mann began doing some good work in and after 2005, when they raised the flag of Khalistan. He did some notable works, but turned into a mini-badal... But still he was involved in the beating of Mahasha Harish Singla, and this completely calmed the Mahashas. Once Harish was beaten, no mahasha (as far as I know) has protested or burnt any effigy of Sant Ji. But Manns contribution is small and only political, whereas Bittu's contribution includes his whole youth in prison, Hathyarbandh as well as political, his role in the making of KAC and meeting families of Shaheeds etc. In short, Mann is too old now for this stuff he hasn't JOSH, while Bhai Bittu has JOSH and HOSH.

So DALJIT SINGH BITTU ZINDABAD!

Gurfateh

[dasmesh_regiment]

http://sikhsiyasat.com/

just look at the turn out for mann at maghi mela and look at bittu's.

says it all really. sad to point this out but says it all.

[dasmesh_regiment]

bittu did not order the killing of sandhu. it was panjwar. sandhu was suspected of being falcon - double agent for the government.