eating with people

[Gupt daasan daas]

Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa!

Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

please read this

Five groups of people who are not to be associated with

The following five groups are not to be associated with as they have betrayed the Guru. The company of these five is to be refrained from as they may also

influence us to betray the Guru in the same way that they did.

1. Meene

Satguru Ramdas ji disowned Prithia and called him Meena for having a needless enmity with Sri Guru Arjan Dev ji. Prithia’s descendants are those who once got a Brahmin to attempt to poison Sri Guru Hargobind Sahib ji, and sent a midwife with poison on her nipples to feed the young Guru. A snake charmer was also sent by Prithia and was told to release his snake on to Guru Sahib to try and kill him. These evil doers, the descendants of Prithia, are called Meene.

2. Masand

In the name of Satguru, Masands collected money for Kar-Seva of Gurdwaras. But they begun to misuse the money for themselves. They became evil and started oppressing the Sikh Sangat, doing as they pleased. The tenth King/Guru freed the Sikh Sangat from these reptiles.

Guru Sahib got hot syrup poured over them and they were burnt alive as

punishment for their sins. Bhai Prehlad Singh ji states in his Rehatnama, "You are not to obey Masands, they will con the Sangat."

3. Ram Raieeay

Sri Guru Har Rai Sahib ji’s eldest son Ram Rai had needless enmity with the eight and ninth Gurus and appointed his own Masands. He changed a line in the holy Gurbani just to please the Mughal emperor Aurangzeb, changing "Miti musalman ki…" (soil is of the muslim…) to "Meeti beyman ki…" (soil is of the deceitful…). The sev

enth Satguru discarded Ram Rai from the house of the Guru forever, because he altered Gurbani. Satguru said:

ijn BY Adb n bwnI Dwrw [

jwnhu so isK nhIN hmwrw [ 20 [

"Those who do not fear and respect Gurbani, cannot be a Sikh of mine."

(Sri Guru Partap Suraj Granth)

No Sikh of the Guru’s is to associate with Ram Raieeay, nor is any offering to be made to them. Ramrai was told to leave and just go in the direction in which he was facing and he was told to never return, by Guru ji. Ramrai had no children. His followers started to call him ‘Guru’. The Khalsa should never associate/trust them.

4. Dhir Maleeay

Dhir Mal, the elder brother of Sri Guru Har Rai Sahib Ji, became an enemy of the seventh Guru and during the time of the sixth Guru he left Kartarpur for Kiratpur Sahib. Once there he set him self up as ‘Guru’. Upon the order of Guru Sahib, the Sikhs seized the ‘Chaur’ from Dhir Mal and threw him out of Kiratpur. Then again at the time of the ninth Guru, Dheer Mal again set up his own throne at Baba Bakala. He also got Sheehee Masand to try to shoot the ninth Guru Sahib.

Those Sodhis from the Doab’s Kartarpur area are Dheer Mal’s descendants. It was out of these descendants that Vadbhag Singh was born. During the rule of the 12 Misls (Khalsa States), the governor of Jalandhur desecrated and burnt ‘Tham Sahib’. Vadbhag Singh was Amritdharee, being the first Amritdharee of the Dhir Mal clan. He was scared of the Mughal rulers so he didn’t go to inform the Singhs (living in the jungles), nor did he confront the rulers about the desecration of ‘Tham Sahib.’ At that time, the Singhs thought he had escaped to the mountains to escape persecution and practice black magic. The Dheer Mal clan is

excommunicated and is not to be associated with by the Khalsa.

5. Gangu Shaheeay (and Hindaleeay)

Gangu Shah, a Brahmin, handed over the Small Sahibzade/Princes to the Mughal Governor Vazir Khan, who bricked them alive. The disloyal descendants of this family are not to b

e associated with by the Khalsa. The Hindaleeay made

alterations to the biography of Sri Guru Nanak Dev ji and had Sikhs arrested

leading to their torture and deaths in jails. The descendants of Shehay Masand were the ones who attempted to shoot the ninth Guru and thus turned their backs on him.

If any person out of the above five named groups takes Amrit from the Panj Pyare, lives according to the Rehat, accepts Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji as their Guru and have full faith in the Guru, they are to be considered a fellow brother/sister of the Khalsa.

Five not to be associated with (i.e. not to eat with or marry your children to)

1. Tobacco users

People who smoke or use any form of tobacco (or drugs) are not to be associated with.

2. Female Infanticide

Those who kill their daughters at birth:

bRhmx kYlI Gwqu kM\kw AxcwrI kw Dwnu ]

iPtk iPtkw koVu bdIAw sdw sdw ABmwnu ]

“The following are all major sins:

a) Killing a Brahmgyani,

B) Killing a black cow

c) Killing or selling your daughter,

d) Eating from a person who has no moral discipline. Anyone who commits any of these has committed thousands of sins and this egotistical individual will be reprimanded thousands of times."

(SGGSJ Ang 1413)

kMinAw ko mwry mony ko kMinAW dyvy so qnKwhIAw ]

"They who kill their daughters and marry their daughters to those

who cut their hair are punishable."

(Rehatnama Bhai Deya Singh ji)

3. Those who sell their daughters

Those who receive money for the marriage of their daughters.

4. Those that cut some of their hair from their head

5. Those who completely shave all their hair from their face and head

A Hukamnama from Sri Akaal Takhat Sahib excommunicated Narakdharees on 30 June 1978.

Radha Soamis and other groups whom claim themselves to be the Guru and do n

ot accept Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji as the Guru. These groups are not to be

associated with, married into or meals taken with them. If they take Amrit from Panj Pyare, keep the Khalsa Rehat and accept Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji as their Guru then they can be associated with and they are our brothers and sisters.

bhul chuk maf

Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa!

Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

[ms514]

Sat Sri Akal:

Killing a black cow? Why not a white cow? Sounds VERY reminiscent of the Namdhari Rehat I once read, which instructed not to kill Brahmins and cows.

Just applied gurmukhi font to quote above cow...yep, says brahmin.

Just what are you quoting? And why with the above glaring anti-Sikh things?

I so confoozed...

[Gupt daasan daas]

Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa!

Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

its maryada( damdami taksal) and bani( in guru granth sahib je).

bhul chuk maf

Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa!

Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

[Jassika]

yea but those are outdated. there are different sinful people out there now which were not known of in the past

[Gurjeet_Kaur]

so if someone kills a black cow, they've "committed thousands of sins and this egotistical individual will be reprimanded thousands of times??"

what if they kill a white cow? or any other cow for that matter? whats with the cows anyway?? why not any other animals?

khalistani do u actually agree with this??

4. Those that cut some of their hair from their head

5. Those who completely shave all their hair from their face and head

whats the difference?? kesh is kesh whether its on your head or your face

[Gupt daasan daas]

Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa!

Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

its in bani, and as i have said, i question neither bani or reight maryada.

bhul chuk maf

Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa!

Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

[Gupt daasan daas]

Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa!

Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

This did take me by surprsie in the beggining, when i first read it, but then u should know i never like to question my guru je, as am not worthy to even glance at the dust of his sacred feet.

bhul chuk maf

Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa!

Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

[S1ngh]

Can u exactly tell me the SGGSJ page number were it specifically mention the Black Cow thing.. Much appreciated..

[Jkaur]

wuts is this all about?? wut is it all about killing cows and stuff like dat.. yeah virji can u please quote from which page of SGGS u took this?? it'll be really very helpful esp for people like me who are so

[Akaali]

YES!!

Please back up what you say, please post the shabad where this is mentioned!!

Bhul chuk maaf!