Sikh Girls In Pakistani Brothels

[GurjantGnostic]

45 minutes ago, proudkaur21 said:

They show their back to our religion and then expect us to help them out when things go bad. Sorry but good riddance. 

That's a logical more normal level of empathy. Still the consent or cognitive function of the girls being unkown, I think they should be screened or kept an eye on. 

[PuzzledToo]

On 1/28/2022 at 5:15 AM, justasking said:

idk how to feel about these girls i mean in the end they knew tht the guy they were with was pakistani so why did they board on the plane to pakistan seems like they had no loyalty to Sikhi maybe only their families should handle this mess instead of relying on the community

 

7 hours ago, proudkaur21 said:

They show their back to our religion and then expect us to help them out when things go bad. Sorry but good riddance. 

I don't blame you guys but this is usually the response you get from people who are unable to do anything even if they wanted to and cover up their weakness with statements like these. It's a semi face saving response to cover up the shame they feel from their inability to do anything at all about the current situation so they can carry on their life as normal without that burden on their mind.

I agree, some girls are total b!tches, because of kaam and ahankar they got tricked, never listen and learn it the hard way when it's too late, but should we who claim to be Sikhs of the Gurus just ignore their suffering and hellish existence when they are desperately reaching out for help? People make mistakes,people change and regret past actions, who knows these girls could be daily praying to Waheguru to save them from this hell they have gotten themselves into. If not on a racial or religious perspective at least think about them on a humanitarian perspective.

 

 

[PuzzledToo]

14 hours ago, dallysingh101 said:

 

Also, it makes sense for us as a community to put out norms that discourage such behaviour in various ways, or it becomes widespread. 

Precisely brother. It encourages them to carry on and target other stupid or vulnerable Sikh girls.

Looking at it from a very realistic perspective, realizing our lack of muscle and representation in the Pak underworld,  for those girls already in that hellhole, I would assume after some years of non stop abuse and after a certain age their value goes down and are not that much in demand, do you think an arrangement could be made to buy the girls from their pimps and get them out of there asap? Using force would be futile and could backfire on the girls, but everyone loves money and an arrangement could be possible. First step would be an expeditionary team going on the ground doing a few months of research trying to locate these girls, unofficially, masquerading as businessmen looking for a good time etc. No contact should be made with Government officials as they would sabotage the whole effort to deny that such a thing even exists.

[justasking]

27 minutes ago, PuzzledToo said:

 

I don't blame you guys but this is usually the response you get from people who are unable to do anything even if they wanted to and cover up their weakness with statements like these. It's a semi face saving response to cover up the shame they feel from their inability to do anything at all about the current situation so they can carry on their life as normal without that burden on their mind.

I agree, some girls are total b!tches, because of kaam and ahankar they got tricked, never listen and learn it the hard way when it's too late, but should we who claim to be Sikhs of the Gurus just ignore their suffering and hellish existence when they are desperately reaching out for help? People make mistakes,people change and regret past actions, who knows these girls could be daily praying to Waheguru to save them from this hell they have gotten themselves into. If not on a racial or religious perspective at least think about them on a humanitarian perspective.

 

 

Bro its not weakness its just the logical response. We are able to do action that is instilling our sisters with proper values, if your not their for your daughter sister growing up imprinting our religion and moral values from an early age they will either get into gora/western culture where dating is the norm or influence by bhangra or bollywood culture.

I have older sisters and none of them dated or went to clubs  and now one of them got married. This was due to my parents instilling proper values in them.  It also helped tht my cousins would keep wathcful eye on them during there school time.  and in regards to not being able to do anything about it i'm more then capable of confronting any guy tht would trie this on my sisters 

[PuzzledToo]

4 minutes ago, justasking said:

Bro its not weakness its just the logical response. We are able to do action that is instilling our sisters with proper values, if your not their for your daughter sister growing up imprinting our religion and moral values from an early age they will either get into gora/western culture where dating is the norm or influence by bhangra or bollywood culture.

I have older sisters and none of them dated or went to clubs  and now one of them got married. This was due to my parents instilling proper values in them.  It also helped tht my cousins would keep wathcful eye on them during there school time.  and in regards to not being able to do anything about it i'm more then capable of confronting any guy tht would trie this on my sisters 

To me it is total weakness. Great to hear that girls in your family were brought up well but what about those who weren't and got caught up in western bullsh!t? People make mistakes and if it's possible to assist I would do it just because forced prostitution and trafficking sickens me to the core.

[Kau89r8]

 

[Premi5]

8 hours ago, PuzzledToo said:

Precisely brother. It encourages them to carry on and target other stupid or vulnerable Sikh girls.

Looking at it from a very realistic perspective, realizing our lack of muscle and representation in the Pak underworld,  for those girls already in that hellhole, I would assume after some years of non stop abuse and after a certain age their value goes down and are not that much in demand, do you think an arrangement could be made to buy the girls from their pimps and get them out of there asap? Using force would be futile and could backfire on the girls, but everyone loves money and an arrangement could be possible. First step would be an expeditionary team going on the ground doing a few months of research trying to locate these girls, unofficially, masquerading as businessmen looking for a good time etc. No contact should be made with Government officials as they would sabotage the whole effort to deny that such a thing even exists.

 

8 hours ago, PuzzledToo said:

To me it is total weakness. Great to hear that girls in your family were brought up well but what about those who weren't and got caught up in western bullsh!t? People make mistakes and if it's possible to assist I would do it just because forced prostitution and trafficking sickens me to the core.

Agree that no girl wanted to get into the situation they are in, and it would not happen if not for the stealth tactics by those wronguns. People make mistakes and those girls were naiive no necessarily through any fault of their own. 

Maybe a better use of money would go into 'prevention' rather than 'treatment' of the problem. Invest into education programmes here in the UK, support orgs like Shere Panjab, SYUK, Sikh PA , Sikhawareness (Bhai Mohan Singh) etc

Develop networks that spy on these groomers in the streets, Unis and other places. 

If paying off the kidnappers/pimps etc started, then that might increase the number of girls targeted, because they will become more 'profitable'. Who knows how much their kidnappers and their police friends will demand for release? 

Moreover, who will provide the funds for releasing these girls? I think the 'prevention' I mentioned would be more attractive to someone who wants to improve the situation and donate

[dallysingh101]

9 hours ago, PuzzledToo said:

Looking at it from a very realistic perspective, realizing our lack of muscle and representation in the Pak underworld,  for those girls already in that hellhole,

They have been shook up a bit lately. Not enough though (in my opinion). 

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I would assume after some years of non stop abuse and after a certain age their value goes down and are not that much in demand, do you think an arrangement could be made to buy the girls from their pimps and get them out of there asap? Using force would be futile and could backfire on the girls, but everyone loves money and an arrangement could be possible. First step would be an expeditionary team going on the ground doing a few months of research trying to locate these girls, unofficially, masquerading as businessmen looking for a good time etc. No contact should be made with Government officials as they would sabotage the whole effort to deny that such a thing even exists.

This would backfire, and make them do it even more. 

[PuzzledToo]

1 hour ago, dallysingh101 said:

They have been shook up a bit lately. Not enough though (in my opinion). 

This would backfire, and make them do it even more. 

Cobra effect 

[PuzzledToo]

2 hours ago, Premi5 said:

 

 

If paying off the kidnappers/pimps etc started, then that might increase the number of girls targeted, because they will become more 'profitable'. Who knows how much their kidnappers and their police friends will demand for release? 

Moreover, who will provide the funds for releasing these girls? I think the 'prevention' I mentioned would be more attractive to someone who wants to improve the situation and donate

I agree, prevention method and community vigilance is a much better method and money better spent.