1699 WITNESS

[Gupt_Singh]

bhai sahib it is 90% likely that mata sahib kaur put the patashae in but trust me not all accounts agree on this. some people say mata jeeto ji put them in..........bt to be honest it doesnt really make a difference........if u are an eyewitness its easy to make a lil mistake in such a big event

ill copy this from sikhnet (written by "serjinder singh"):

This account is a later interpolation. Original and authentic account is by the official chronicler of the Mughal court and is in a published document Muasar-i-Alamgiri. The account refers to 60000 to 70000 people gathered in Anandpur. It does not deal with the miracle story of reviving Panj Piaras. It certainly mentions the refusal of the Brahmins and Kashatryas to take Amrit and eat together with lower castes. Miracle stories generally are the first signs of possible concoction wherever we come across these. In this case, the mention of the villages in Punjab to which some of the Payaras are reported to belong makes it suspicious. For instance, the village Nangal Shahidan acquired its name as Shahidan in the eighteenth century when the concept and tradition of Singh Shaheeds got firmly established in rural Punjab following the martyrdom of so many Singhs. How come it was called Nangal Shaheedan in 1699 according to this report long before the Singh Shaheeds.

also i have heard that no such document even exists at aligarh uni.

[chamkila]

Thanks for sharing this wonderful article Chamkila Ji.

No need to thanks me, if you want to thanks some it should be N30 he posted this on sikhawareness.

[Khalsa4ever]

vwihgurU jI kw Kwlsw!

vwihgurU jI kI &iqh!!

Wow. That is a really cool excerpt!!

Its a little different from what I had heard though... I wuz told that Guruji took the panj pyara into the tent before "beheading" them so that no one would see.

Are there any other excepts like this one from other people? I would be interested to see the similiarities to this one!

vwihgurU jI kw Kwlsw!

vwihgurU jI kI &iqh!!

[GABROO KHALISTAN DAH]

i wuz also always told that guru ji took them into the tent, but i think guru ji has ntn 2 hide, he did do it in the open, i'm sure of it

[Gupt daasan daas]

Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa!

Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

those accounts also state that guru je cut off the head of 5 lambs. What the? ajmer singh jes account is real, it is a real account.

bhul chuk maf

Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa!

Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

[Gupt_Singh]

bhai sahib khalistani ji i usually agree with you but the writer of guru kian sakhian guessed that this is what happened since it happened inside the tent, plus bhatt sarup singh kaushish was not actually at vaisakhi but compiled the account from the previous bhatt vahi records, perhaps someone who has the older bhatt vahi accounts, could tell us what they say.

the reason i have difficulty accepting this story is because a) all other accounts say it happened inside the tent B) if this really happened then there would be many other accounts talking about it since it would be such a huge thing and c) as mentioned in my earlier post the language and the names used for a particular pind show us that it must have been written much, much later than 1699, and the fact that d) this account doesnt even exist in aligarh university.

i dont have any problem accepting that guru ji beheaded the panj pyare but this account is too different to all the others to be accepted as valid, it is likely in my opinion each of hte panj were beheaded in the tent, then given amrit afterwards. whatever happened in the tent the panj pyare would have kept secret. had this really happened there would be alot more accounts going about of this particular event, and in this case there are none. if the sangat could realise how many fake, interpolated accounts there are running about in sikh history they would realise why i and many others are so cynical of it.

[Gupt daasan daas]

Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa!

Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

I can understand why u like dont agree, but sant jarnail singh je even in a speech said this is real, he used this in his speeches too. And no other sant has gone against this account.

bhul chuk maf

Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa!

Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

[moorakh mugadh]

vwihgurU jI kw Kwlsw!

vwihgurU jI kI &iqh!!

the sakhi wich chamkila veer said is true even i heard this before ,many mahapurkh have said this is true.

[Guest SikhForLife]

why question? guruji wanted to keep it hidden for a reason

[ms514]

Sat Sri Akal:

Quote:

har a(n)mrith ras paaeiaa muaa jeevaaeiaa fir baahurr maran n hoee ||

Obtaining the Ambrosial Essence of the Lord, the dead are restored to life, and do not die again.

(Guru Raam Daas Ji, Raag Aasaa, 447).

Another interesting line is from Baba Maan Singh. He noted the stories about the Guru Sahib slaughtering 5 goats. He questions whether Guru Gobind Singh Sahib give the Panth of the Khalsa to the Panj Pyare or the five goats he slaughtered? Surely the Khalsa was bestowed onto those who gave their heads. If the goats gave their heads, it is they who should be called the Khalsa!