Jump to content

Recommended Posts

bhai sahib khalistani ji i usually agree with you but the writer of guru kian sakhian guessed that this is what happened since it happened inside the tent, plus bhatt sarup singh kaushish was not actually at vaisakhi but compiled the account from the previous bhatt vahi records, perhaps someone who has the older bhatt vahi accounts, could tell us what they say.

the reason i have difficulty accepting this story is because a) all other accounts say it happened inside the tent B) if this really happened then there would be many other accounts talking about it since it would be such a huge thing and c) as mentioned in my earlier post the language and the names used for a particular pind show us that it must have been written much, much later than 1699, and the fact that d) this account doesnt even exist in aligarh university.

i dont have any problem accepting that guru ji beheaded the panj pyare but this account is too different to all the others to be accepted as valid, it is likely in my opinion each of hte panj were beheaded in the tent, then given amrit afterwards. whatever happened in the tent the panj pyare would have kept secret. had this really happened there would be alot more accounts going about of this particular event, and in this case there are none. if the sangat could realise how many fake, interpolated accounts there are running about in sikh history they would realise why i and many others are so cynical of it.

Link to post
Share on other sites
  • Replies 67
  • Created
  • Last Reply

Top Posters In This Topic

Top Posters In This Topic

Popular Posts

Lol! Just what I thought - you haven't got a clue what the book is called do you?

Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa!

Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

I can understand why u like dont agree, but sant jarnail singh je even in a speech said this is real, he used this in his speeches too. And no other sant has gone against this account.

bhul chuk maf

Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa!

Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

Link to post
Share on other sites

Sat Sri Akal:

Quote:

har a(n)mrith ras paaeiaa muaa jeevaaeiaa fir baahurr maran n hoee ||

Obtaining the Ambrosial Essence of the Lord, the dead are restored to life, and do not die again.

(Guru Raam Daas Ji, Raag Aasaa, 447).

^_^^_^^_^

Another interesting line is from Baba Maan Singh. He noted the stories about the Guru Sahib slaughtering 5 goats. He questions whether Guru Gobind Singh Sahib give the Panth of the Khalsa to the Panj Pyare or the five goats he slaughtered? Surely the Khalsa was bestowed onto those who gave their heads. If the goats gave their heads, it is they who should be called the Khalsa!

Link to post
Share on other sites

khalistani veer ji

did baba jarnail singh mention this account in particular or did he say that the panj were beheaded, or did he say they were beheaded in tents, etc.

i am not doubting the panj were beheaded, i just dont put any trust in this particular source.

Link to post
Share on other sites

seriously?????? hm mayb it is real then......

is this abdul whatever guy renamed to bhai ajmer singh? have you read the full accounts, becuz i believe his memoirs relate to the kesh/keski kakkar debate (cant remember which side it supports but the evidence was meant tobe strong).......got any idea where i cud get hold of hte full version singh?

Link to post
Share on other sites

Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa!

Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

article taken from sikhi4u.2ya.com

Last Report By Abu Ulla Tarani

He was both a farmer anda Physician. He was a true and practising Sikh, a scholar of the Sikh religion and an exponent of the hymns of Guru Granth Sahib Ji. He was about 70 years old. From his library I found a book, whose first and the last three pages were missing. It was written in Urdu by a historian named Abu Ulla Tarani, who was first a Brahmin and then converted to Islam. He was an agent of Emperor Aurangzeb and was posted by him in the court of Guru Gobind Singh Ji to smuggle out news about the Guru to the Emperor. He attended the court of Guru on the garb of a Brahmin, wearing the Brahmin forehead mark, a cotton Dhoti and sacred thread. He would send daily reports to the Emperor. He lived with the Guru's gardener named Gulaba everyday he would go to the Guru and pay his respects.The tenth Master, who with his divine instinct, knew about Abu Tarani's identity, would smile and accept his obeisance. Bhai Vir Singh also mentions the name of Abu Tarani in his book 'Dasmesh Chmatkar'

Abu Tarani worked as the Emperor's spy in the Guru's court for about two years. In the book, mentioned above, he has recorded an eye witness account of the Vaisakhi 1699.

"On this day, the Guru prepared a new nectar, there were about 35-40 thousand people present in the gathering to hear the Guru. The Mughals at the time had four thrones; Delhi, Agra, Lahore and Klanaur; but the throne of the Guru (at Anandpur) had its own typical glamour. This throne beat all the mughal thrones in their s

plendour. That day the Guru wore a gorgeous dress. He came into the court, unsheathed his sword and in a loud voice said, "I need one head", without any hesitation one Daya Ram came forward and offering himself for the sacrifice. The Guru, in front of the whole congregation. Struck Daya Ram's head with his sword and severed it from his body. The audience was stunned and speechless. The Guru said again, "I need another head", immediatly, Dharam Chand stood up and bowed to the guru. The guru severed his head too in one stroke. The audience panicked and started leaving the court. The Guru asked for another head and one after anohter beheaded three more devotees. Himmat Rai, Mokham Chand and Sahib Chnad. Many people went to the guru's mother and narrated to her the whole episode. The Guru then cleaned and washed the five corpses and their severed heads. He also cleaned the floor so that no mark of blood was left anywhere. Then the prophet of the infidels stitched the severed heads with one & other heads & the bodies and covered them with white sheets. He called for a big stone and put on it an Iron bowl which had no handles. He poured water in the bowl and started chirning it into nectar. The prophet of the infidels stirred the water with the sword and recited some holy words. This went on for about half an hour. At that time a woman, perhaps related to prophet came forward and put something in the bowl. Now the nectar was ready.

The Guru, then sat towards the heads of the corpses. He uncovered their faces and first put some nectar into Daya Ram's mouth and sprinkled it on his head and then all over his body and said, "say Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh". Immediatly Daya Ram became alive. Stood up and repeated the words after the guru. The whole congregation went pale with fear. Despite many thousands people present no one could breathe loudly. They all had frozen under the spell of the Gurus miracle. He then sprinkled the nectar on the other four corpses and asked them to say

" Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh". They all came back to life and stood before the Guru with folded hands. The Guru then took all the five into an adjoining marquee. After a while they all came out dressed in new clothes. The Guru asked them to give a drink of that nectar to him. They asked him what he would pay for the nectar. The Guru said, " I promise that I will sacrifice my parents, my children and all that possess for the well being of my people and country." Then the five offered that Nectar to the Guru and the Guru became Gobind Singh and the other five were also named: Daya Singh, Dharam Singh, Himmat Singh, Mokham Singh and Sahib Singh (and were called the beloved ones)."

Abu Ulla Tarani writes that after watching all those miraculous happenings he wept and cried. He cursed himself for his treachery to the Guru. He then saw many thousand more begging the Guru for the Nectar. He too could not control himself and like the force of a magnet he felt pulled towards the Guru and begged him for a drop of the Nectar. The Guru patted him on the back, sprinkled nectar on his body and changed his naem to Ajmer Singh and all his sins were washed away. He then joined the Guru's army and fought many battles against injustice.

On that day he sent his last report to the Emperor. He wrote to him everything that he had seen and witnessed and warned him not to quarrel with the Guru, who in his opinion was Allah himself. He also wrote that if the Emperor would not accept his plea then his empire would collapse and his name would be rubbed from the pages of history.

According to Giani Daleep Singh of Komal Dhnaula a copy of this book was also found in the library of Aligarh Muslim University.

***Waho Waho Gobind Singh Aape Gur Chela***

Link to post
Share on other sites
  • 5 years later...

vaheguru ji ka khalsa vaheguru ji ki fateh

Sorry to bump up such an old thread, but if anyone knows anything more about this account could you please PM me or share your knowledge here. Could you also post any videos/recordings/speeches in which Sant Ji mentions this account.

This is something I came across on another forum:

World famous historian of Medieveal India Prof Irfan Habib at Aligarh Muslim University has spent his life time researching historical documents related to Mughal and earlier periords. As a tribute to the Sikhs he jointly with Prof J S Grewal collected all the available Persian documents that had even slightest mention of Guruji or sikhs and at the time of tercentenary of Khalsa, translated these into English and published as a book entitled "Sikh History from Persian Sources, Tulika, Indian History Congress 2001,2001".

It is amazing to read from some mysterious person who appears to be more knowledgable about archives at Aligarh University that Irfan Habib or for that matter any other Sikh or non-sikk historian. We do not find any mention of such a document by Irfan Habib or Prof J S Grewal in their above mentioned publication that may be lying hidden at Aligarh to which only this mysterious person had access. Why doesn't this so resourceful person reveal him/herself with the story of his discovery?

However if anyone has non-internet-based information that would be more useful.

vaheguru ji ka khalsa vaheguru ji ki fateh

Link to post
Share on other sites
Sat Sri Akal:

Quote:

har a(n)mrith ras paaeiaa muaa jeevaaeiaa fir baahurr maran n hoee ||

Obtaining the Ambrosial Essence of the Lord, the dead are restored to life, and do not die again.

(Guru Raam Daas Ji, Raag Aasaa, 447).

^_^^_^^_^

Another interesting line is from Baba Maan Singh. He noted the stories about the Guru Sahib slaughtering 5 goats. He questions whether Guru Gobind Singh Sahib give the Panth of the Khalsa to the Panj Pyare or the five goats he slaughtered? Surely the Khalsa was bestowed onto those who gave their heads. If the goats gave their heads, it is they who should be called the Khalsa!

Is this the same Baba Maan Singn that is embroiled in rape allegations? Where there is a photo of him and his female 'companions'? The same Baba where the Australian sangat is protesting against?

The goats didn't offer their heads, they were taken.

Link to post
Share on other sites
Guest
This topic is now closed to further replies.

  • advertisement_alt
  • advertisement_alt
  • advertisement_alt


  • Topics

  • Posts

    • No. But it’s an interesting thread and still relevant. There’s not a massive amount of other active threads on this site Are there any Sikh schools in America or Canada (wherever you’re from ) ?
    • I think it's this one https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/news/hull-east-yorkshire-news/worry-over-horrendous-deliberate-fly-1234647
    • https://ommcomnews.com/india-news/offensive-photo-shoot-at-kartarpur-annoys-sikh-community Offensive Photo Shoot At Kartarpur Annoys Sikh Community   Offensive Photo Shoot At Kartarpur Annoys Sikh Community By OMMCOM NEWS On Nov 29, 2021    Share New Delhi:  A clothing brand recently came under fire after an alleged photo shoot at the Kartarpur Gurdwara in Pakistan. In the shoot, a Lahore-based model can be seen bareheaded, posing for the camera, compromising the sanctity of the place, Express Tribune reported. Pakistan Federal Information Minister Fawad Chaudhry and members of the Sikh community expressed annoyance over the fashion photoshoot at the Kartarpur shrine, Pakistan Observer reported. Chaudhry slammed the designer and the model for the photoshoot. “The Designer and the model must apologise to Sikh Community #KartarPurSahib is a religious symbol and not a Film set,” he wrote on Twitter. Manjinder Singh Sirsa, the President of Delhi Sikh Gurdwara Management committee, also condemned the act, calling it “desecration”. “Pakistan court issued arrest warrant of star who did dance video at Mosque; same must be done against this woman from Lahore as an example of treating all religion at par.” “Otherwise, any talk of respect for Sikhism is hollow,” he said. In another tweet, Sirsa commented: “Such behaviour and act at the pious place of Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji is totally unacceptable! Can she dare to do the same at her religious place in Pakistan? Imran Khan and the government of Pakistan should take immediate action to stop this trend of treating Sri Kartarpur Sahib as a picnic spot by Pakistani people.” Meanwhile, the clothing brand, Mannat, has issued a clarification on the matter. The Instagram page has since removed the controversial posts and released a statement, the report said. “The pictures posted on our accounts are NOT part of any shoot done by Mannat Clothing. These pictures were provided to us by a third-party (blogger) in which they were wearing our dress. Please note that Mannat has absolutely NO role in deciding how and where the pictures were taken,” the statement read. “However, we accept our mistake that we should not have posted this content and we apologise to every single person who was offended by this. All the holy places are very sacred to us.” “The pictures and posts have been removed from all our media channels. Again, we apologise wholeheartedly for hurting the public sentiment. Believe us when we say we had no such intention.” On the other hand, Pakistan Punjab Police in a statement said that they are investigating all aspects related to this incident and strict legal action will be taken against those responsible. “Management of the concerned brand & model are being investigated. Worship places of all religions are equally respectable,” reads the statement, as per the report.
×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

Terms of Use