Bbc 2 ,9pm 2nite - Partion Victims Tell All

[chatanga]

they did most likely one of 2 things.

1 - they waited for the military to come and escort them to the refugee camps waiting to go to india.

2 - they siezed an opportunity to either fght their way out and make it to the camps.

My uncle told me of 2 sikhs that arrived atthe camp he was in. One had Guru Granth Sahib onhis head from the village gurdwara and the other was walking behind him wiv an unsheathed sword. He said they passed through mulsim villages but left everything to fate , expecting to be killed. But they wernt even noticed. Arrived atthe camp without a scratch.

This whole episode makes me really angry . we lost so much . the loss of Nankana Sahib t the Sikhs , i cannt describe how i feel.

chatanga

[g35]

interesting old articles from TIME magazine about the partition

time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,793406,00.html

Zindabad & Murdabad

Monday, Mar. 17, 1947

The Punjab, athwart the historic northern invasion route, has long been India's political thermometer. Last week it read "high fever." In Lahore, Amritsar, Rawalpindi and over the intervening countryside, Moslems, Sikhs and Hindus slew and burned in wholesale lawlessness unsurpassed in British India in 90 years.

The Punjab riots ended a period of peace that has been jittery ever since the Moslem League's Mohamed Ali Jinnah spurned participation with the All-India Congress in the Constituent Assembly (TIME, Feb. 10). The bearded, sword-carrying Sikhs sided with the Hindus, eventually exceeded them in uncompromising denunciation of the Moslem cry for Pakistan (a separate Moslem state).

Not until the British last week proclaimed "Governor's Rule," and flew in substantial troop reinforcements, did the carnage begin to abate in the Punjab. By then, uncountable hundreds were dead, hundreds more were injured, and thousands of buildings had been smashed or burned. The riots came in a moment of governmental vacuum, after the resignation of Malik Khizar Hayat Khan Tiwana's coalition government. The issue was purely and simply Pakistan. The Moslems shouted "Pakistan Zindabad!" (Up with Pakistan!). The Hindus and Sikhs answered back: "Pakistan Murdabad!" (Death to Pakistan!). Then the knives began to flash.

The fighting began in Lahore, capital of the Punjab, but it was at fabled Amritsar, the Sikh holy city, that the greatest damage was done. TIME Correspondent Robert Neville, who visited Amritsar and later toured the troubled areas between Lahore and Rawalpindi, cabled:

"Coming up the grand trunk highway from New Delhi, you could see as far away as 14 miles clouds of smoke hanging over Amritsar. Now & then the high golden cupola of the Sikh's Golden Temple would glint through the pall. After three days of rioting, Amritsar's streets were barricaded, piled with debris. Whole rows of shops were gutted. Amritsar's famous hide bazaar was still burning, and its textile row, where merchants from all India came for cloth, was in smoking ruins.

"After three days & nights of terror, in Rawalpindi proper the situation is now fairly quiet, but in the surrounding countryside there is a reign of lawlessness on a scale not known in British India since the Mutiny of 1857. Every village is prey to roving gangs. Groups of scared refugees flee through the fields as gangs of 15 to 30 men trudge the highways, armed with long, dangerous-looking clubs. From the crest of one hill, I could see five villages burning. At Mandra junction at dawn on March 9, 2,000 Moslems swooped down on Hindu and Sikh quarters, looted and fired every building. Gangs stopped two trains outside Rawalpindi and hauled Sikhs, easily recognized by beards and turbans, out of the coaches and beat them to death on the platforms."

time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,818324-2,00.html

The Sweetest Revenge

Monday, Apr. 27, 1953

Sardar Tara Singh had no cause to love the Moslems. For two bloody centuries his Sikh people had fought them for mastery of the Punjab in northern India, and in those wars, many of his ancestors died martyrs' deaths. One of them, Bhai Mani Singh, fell into the hands of the Great Mogul Aurangzeb, who first chopped off Bhai Mani Singh's fingers, joint by joint, then lopped off his limbs, one by one. Another, Baba Sukha Singh, died under Moslem knives after assassinating a Moslem chieftain who had turned the Sikhs' holy Golden Temple at Amritsar into a brothel.

Under British rule, Sardar Tara Singh and his Sikh compatriots lived in uneasy peace with their Moslem neighbors. But when the British left and India was partitioned, religious violence broke out once more. Five million Sikhs abandoned their ancestral homes in west Pakistan and fled to the East Punjab, and an equal number of Moslems fled westward. Fanatics on both sides organized themselves into bands and killed as many of the fleeing civilians as they could. White-bearded Sardar Tara Singh shook his head over this massacre of the innocent.

"Kill Her!" From one such slaughter Sikh warriors returned to Tara Singh's village of Sunam, now in India, with a seven-year-old Moslem girl. Her name was Hasan Bibi, and she stood tense and terrified among them while they debated what to do with her. "Kill her," advised a Sikh refugee from Pakistan, "just as they slaughtered my children in Lahore." A man of piety disagreed: "Convert her to our holy religion and let her marry a brave Sikh boy when she comes of age."

But Sardar Tara Singh put a protective arm around the girl. "I will treat her in a way which will bring the sweetest revenge upon the wicked Moslems." he said. "I will bring her up as a Moslem, and restore her to her relatives when she grows up. And she will be as pure as the white snows of the Himalayas. That will teach the Moslems that a Sikh is pious in peacetime, just as he is invincible in war."

For six years little Bibi lived in the brick and clay house of Tara Singh, playing with his grandchildren, helping his ailing wife with the chores. Tara Singh himself taught her to read and write and to worship according to the faith of her ancestors. Bibi was the only Moslem among the 5,000 Sikhs of Sunam.

Meanwhile, the unrest in India subsided, and Sardar Tara Singh began his search for Bibi's family. Her father, Fateh Ali, seemed to have disappeared, and Tara Singh, despairing of finding him, requested the Indian government to ask the government of Pakistan to find a suitable Moslem boy to marry her when she reached the legal age of 15. Sardar Tara Singh was prepared to bear the expenses of the wedding and give Bibi a dowry, just as he had done for his own three daughters. Then the word came that Bibi's father was found at last, at work as a shopkeeper in Pakistan.

A Cup of Tea. Last week Tara Singh and Bibi journeyed to a town near the Pakistan border to meet him. Bibi was afraid, for despite her careful Moslem upbringing, she had absorbed some Sikh prejudices. "If I go to a Moslem household," she cried, "I shall have to bear the offensive smell of tobacco and eat beef!" But Tara Singh loaded her with presents and new clothes and reminded her of her duty.

When Fateh Ali arrived, he embraced Tara Singh with tears in his eyes. Then they went to a restaurant to celebrate the occasion with a cup of tea. At the sight of a Sikh and a Moslem sitting down together, a murmuring crowd began to gather outside, and the story of Bibi and her foster father spread quickly among the Hindu villagers.

Later, when Bibi and her father had bounced safely off to Pakistan in a jeep and Tara Singh had boarded a train to return home to Sunam, everyone was still talking and arguing over this amazing happening. On the train, one man, who did not recognize Tara Singh, vented his feelings. "A Sikh who repays the wickedness of the Moslems by a generous action like that," he exclaimed, "deserves to be shot." But Sardar Tara Singh only smiled quietly.

to read more old articles go to: news.google.com/archivesearch?q=sikh&as_hdate=1996&sugg=d&um=1&sa=N&pid=11060978721181875804&lnav=p4

[mann_kaum_layee_qurbaan]

You have to admire the way he praise his sword and called it beautiful at one point. Whether you agree or not with what he did, Every Sikh should should hold a tremendous amont of respect Shaster.

yeh sort of made me want to go out and slice the head of the Muslims living on the road behind us :wub: , no but seriously he did make the programe entertaining lol, his swear word was hardcore i was like :WW: , then him praising his sword and his detail about how he beheaded every Muslim that came in his way, at one point i wanted him to be my great grandad but decided that morally saving Muslims was the right thing than killing them in revenge

But lol man he is a legend! lol oh and when the gora talking about the Sikhs at Amritsar station waiting for the Muslims on train that part was shocking

typical indian hypocrite.

if a khalistani said that after hearing the accounts of operation blue star he wanted to behead a hindu living on the road behind his house, all the great bharat mata nuts would go crazy with posts.

this above post shows how brainwashed everyone in india is. partition is never and will never be forgotten. but if anything about 1984 gets written, they yell it should be forgotten and we should move on.

this "singhalicious" person's comments shoudl be remembered for future posts on the khalistani issue. so we can all know his moral position on killing innocent people based on their religion.

this is a common position by all the bharat mata anti-khalistanis. they talk about not hating anyone, peace, and living together. yet the above post shows how true these people are to their words.

just like the fathers of their nation, gandhi and nehru, they say all the right things yet practice something completely opposite.

peace.

[proactive]

One interesting aspect which marks the difference in the media coverage of 1947 with the one say in 1997 is that whereas previously the partition was presented as a sideline to the main story of the Mountbattens, Nehrus and Gandhis, this time is is presented as the catastropic event that it was. Apart from having whole programmes devoted to partition, there is also the personal films of celebrities like Sanjeev Bhaskar and Saira Khan. There's also the midnights children programme which was devoted to the outcome of partition. Seeing programmes like that it does make one wonder whether less people will be inclined to celebrate indian independence.

[chatanga]

You have to admire the way he praise his sword and called it beautiful at one point. Whether you agree or not with what he did, Every Sikh should should hold a tremendous amont of respect Shaster.

yeh sort of made me want to go out and slice the head of the Muslims living on the road behind us :wub: , no but seriously he did make the programe entertaining lol, his swear word was hardcore i was like :WW: , then him praising his sword and his detail about how he beheaded every Muslim that came in his way, at one point i wanted him to be my great grandad but decided that morally saving Muslims was the right thing than killing them in revenge

But lol man he is a legend! lol oh and when the gora talking about the Sikhs at Amritsar station waiting for the Muslims on train that part was shocking

typical indian hypocrite.

if a khalistani said that after hearing the accounts of operation blue star he wanted to behead a hindu living on the road behind his house, all the great bharat mata nuts would go crazy with posts.

this above post shows how brainwashed everyone in india is. partition is never and will never be forgotten. but if anything about 1984 gets written, they yell it should be forgotten and we should move on.

this "singhalicious" person's comments shoudl be remembered for future posts on the khalistani issue. so we can all know his moral position on killing innocent people based on their religion.

this is a common position by all the bharat mata anti-khalistanis. they talk about not hating anyone, peace, and living together. yet the above post shows how true these people are to their words.

just like the fathers of their nation, gandhi and nehru, they say all the right things yet practice something completely opposite.

peace.

you're absolutely right. the bhoot mata suporters look at the liberation movement of their country with respect and pride , but 50 years later when it is us who want our freedom from them they want to wipe us off the earth. All that has hapned is that the shoe has moved to the other foot. once they were wearing that "shoe" and getting beaten by the britsish, now we are wearing that "shoe" and gettting killed by the bhoot mata peopel.

[dalsingh101]

Maybe Sikhs will learn to read more now and be more politically astute. Instead of singing songs about farming and poncing around in the pinds.

[singhalicious]

You have to admire the way he praise his sword and called it beautiful at one point. Whether you agree or not with what he did, Every Sikh should should hold a tremendous amont of respect Shaster.

yeh sort of made me want to go out and slice the head of the Muslims living on the road behind us :wub: , no but seriously he did make the programe entertaining lol, his swear word was hardcore i was like :WW: , then him praising his sword and his detail about how he beheaded every Muslim that came in his way, at one point i wanted him to be my great grandad but decided that morally saving Muslims was the right thing than killing them in revenge

But lol man he is a legend! lol oh and when the gora talking about the Sikhs at Amritsar station waiting for the Muslims on train that part was shocking

typical indian hypocrite.

if a khalistani said that after hearing the accounts of operation blue star he wanted to behead a hindu living on the road behind his house, all the great bharat mata nuts would go crazy with posts.

this above post shows how brainwashed everyone in india is. partition is never and will never be forgotten. but if anything about 1984 gets written, they yell it should be forgotten and we should move on.

this "singhalicious" person's comments shoudl be remembered for future posts on the khalistani issue. so we can all know his moral position on killing innocent people based on their religion.

this is a common position by all the bharat mata anti-khalistanis. they talk about not hating anyone, peace, and living together. yet the above post shows how true these people are to their words.

just like the fathers of their nation, gandhi and nehru, they say all the right things yet practice something completely opposite.

peace.

i was being sarcastic....

[rimmel]

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[Guest peacemaker]

You have to admire the way he praise his sword and called it beautiful at one point. Whether you agree or not with what he did, Every Sikh should should hold a tremendous amont of respect Shaster.

yeh sort of made me want to go out and slice the head of the Muslims living on the road behind us :wub: , no but seriously he did make the programe entertaining lol, his swear word was hardcore i was like :WW: , then him praising his sword and his detail about how he beheaded every Muslim that came in his way, at one point i wanted him to be my great grandad but decided that morally saving Muslims was the right thing than killing them in revenge

But lol man he is a legend! lol oh and when the gora talking about the Sikhs at Amritsar station waiting for the Muslims on train that part was shocking

typical indian hypocrite.

if a khalistani said that after hearing the accounts of operation blue star he wanted to behead a hindu living on the road behind his house, all the great bharat mata nuts would go crazy with posts.

this above post shows how brainwashed everyone in india is. partition is never and will never be forgotten. but if anything about 1984 gets written, they yell it should be forgotten and we should move on.

this "singhalicious" person's comments shoudl be remembered for future posts on the khalistani issue. so we can all know his moral position on killing innocent people based on their religion.

this is a common position by all the bharat mata anti-khalistanis. they talk about not hating anyone, peace, and living together. yet the above post shows how true these people are to their words.

just like the fathers of their nation, gandhi and nehru, they say all the right things yet practice something completely opposite.

peace.

i was being sarcastic....

Thanks for clearing that up, Singhalicious! I almost thought someone hacked into your account and wrote that! :D

[mann_kaum_layee_qurbaan]

i hope you were being sarcastic.

cause otherwise you'd be another typical bharati, bloodthirsty and tyrannical, yet devoted to gandhi's non-violence stance in the international eye.

peace.