Did The Gurus Have Past Lives?

[randip singh]

nah, its true about guru Gobind singh ji maharaj, because they did tapasaea at hemkunt sahib ji.

I have read Dasam Granth and the description of a previous life seems to be metaphorical.

Imagine it like this......Guruji had just created the Khalsa, many still had Hinduways....he was trying to explain new concepts (i.e. Sikh Concepts) in a way they would understand. This being to use Hindu mythology and Hindu metaphors.

An example would be a Japanese person who only understands Japanese culture grammar etc.....initially to teach them about English culture grammar etc you would have to use Japanese concepts.

Well thats my understanding anyway.

[PAL 07]

yeh, but Gurbani does state that Gurus had previous lives (DasamGuru Granth, SarblohGuru Granth)....even kabir talks about his previous life when he was a disciple of Parmanand (Ang 969)

poorab janam ham tumHray sayvak ab ta-o miti-aa na jaa-ee.

In my past life, I was Your servant; now, I cannot leave You.

tayray du-aarai Dhun sahj kee maathai mayray dagaa-ee. ||2||

The celestial sound current resounds at Your Door. Your insignia is stamped upon my forehead. ||2||

[randip singh]

yeh, but Gurbani does state that Gurus had previous lives (DasamGuru Granth, SarblohGuru Granth)....even kabir talks about his previous life when he was a disciple of Parmanand (Ang 969)

poorab janam ham tumHray sayvak ab ta-o miti-aa na jaa-ee.

In my past life, I was Your servant; now, I cannot leave You.

tayray du-aarai Dhun sahj kee maathai mayray dagaa-ee. ||2||

The celestial sound current resounds at Your Door. Your insignia is stamped upon my forehead. ||2||

precisely my point...is that not more of a metaphorical refrence........like saying I have always belived in you even before I was born..?

I am happy either way.

[ocelot]

If you believe Hindu gods then you have to believe Vedas too and all there literature right.

You cant pick and choose.

Then i will say everything written in Hinduism does not match in sikh principles.

Simple Psychology everyone wants to see Gurus as Magical and very difficult to see them as common people with no magical powers.

See the context is when Guru Arjun Dev jee sit on Tatti tavi the people used to say that the tavi got cold. They are ignorent fools, More qurbani or wisdom is in sitting tatti tavi. Tavi never gets cold as we are ruining their shaheedi.

Same way people say Guru nank dev jee closed there eyes and can cross any distance. What is point they have travelled all such distance on foot. It is there Qurbani.

Similarly i request that people should not ruin the qurbani and determinations of Guru by showing them as magical.

I say most of dasam Granth was written by clever Brahmin.

Most of you have no common sense at all.

I dare i will post one story from dasam Granth and anyone proves it right from context of bani.

I will not post again and never deny dasam Granth.

But admin has to promise not to delete the thread, let it goes for only once and for all.

It is open Challenge to all supporting Dsam Granth. But ask admin first, as it becomes to pornographic that it becomes unsuitable for people below 18.

Regards

[JustME]

this should be interesting....................go ahead post it up then...................

[ocelot]

Just if admin says that they have no objection.

I have seen it useless, they delete the thread immediately.

[JustME]

MOD SAHIB CAN WE CONTINUE THIS DISCUSSION PLEASE?

if you feel its getting out of hand then please close it but i realy wanna know why ocelot hates the dasam Granth so much............i promise ill be a good singhnee :nihungsmile:

ocelot veer g pm on of the mods then hopefully this discussion can continue...........

[Bundha]

<<< If you believe Hindu gods then you have to believe Vedas too and all there literature right. >>>

What you mean by believe in Hindu gods? I know they exist but certainly do not worship them. The Vedas are their philosophy, why would I need to believe in them? The Vedas are their interpretation I do not have to believe in them, the two do not go hand in hand.

<<< Same way people say Guru nank dev jee closed there eyes and can cross any distance. What is point they have travelled all such distance on foot. It is there Qurbani. >>>

So where did Guru Ji go when they disappeared into the river for three days? How did they reach satchkhand? Was that all a myth also?

What happened when Bhai Bidhi Chand took Guru Ji’s name and jumped into the furnace? Was that all heresay?

<<< I say most of dasam Granth was written by clever Brahmin. >>>

Then you do not have faith in your Guru, only take what appeals to your intellect and discard the rest, because your Bhuddhi says so.

<<< Most of you have no common sense at all. >> No we have Guru Sense.

I dare i will post one story from dasam Granth and anyone proves it right from context of bani.

I will not post again and never deny dasam Granth.

<<< But admin has to promise not to delete the thread, let it goes for only once and for all. >>>

LOL, back to Charitra Pukhyian again eh? You guys can never get over the Kaam, you read one line and get stuck there and then, you cannot pass, that is your bhuddi. Guru Ji was beyond all this and showed how it is, it is our manmukh thoughts that cannot accept this. So you post it so what? You think you can dissuade me from Dasam Granth Ji, I think not.

[Akaali]

No, you can't post it. According to Sree Akaal Takht Saaheb, no discussion on it is allowed.

[JustME]

No, you can't post it. According to Sree Akaal Takht Saaheb, no discussion on it is allowed.

okay no posting on discussion od dasam granth veer g sat vachan

Okay ocelot................question 1: i assume u have read the dasam granth?

question 2: i think i can gather which bit u have the problem with but if u are amritdhari then when reciting Jaap Sahib or Chaupai Sahib (not too sure qhich granth Chaupai sahib is in so plz forgive me for my mistakes if i make any) ur ARE reciting Dasam Granth Bani are u not?

if u are not amrtidhari but are working urway to taking amrit...................cursing ur Father's word is not exactly the best way to start...................