Mp Describes Sikh Extremists' ‘reign Of Terror'

[sikh supreme]

Perhaps Mr Ujjal Dosanjh would like to press for a ban on white supremist terrorist groups in all. To my knowledge Sikh seperatist groups have no interest in harming canada or canadians, their beef is not with canada or western countries. They are fighting for their right to self determination with option of armed resistance against forces occupying their homeland (punjab/khalistan) against Indian unionist armed forces.

I regularly see pictures of white supremist nazi groups holding weapons on canadian and american soil on sites like stormfront.org and other race hating sites. Why arent they banned? surely they pose more of a threat to the internal secruity of a western country than any ethnic/religious seperatist groups who are fighting a war away from the host western country.

[TeriSharan.]

this dosang guy, looks for excuses to defame sikhs but on a same token what you expect when our soo called leaders put talwinder singh parmar who was nothing but either fanatic with terrorist intent or Goi agent according to soft target held him as "matyr".

Next time peace of advise, dont let these commitee members who have twisted attitude of (one man terrorist is other man freedom fighter) represent sikhs in mainstream.

Namastang Jee, Could you back ur points up on how Talvinder Singh was a Indian Govt Agent?

Thank you jeeo

[N30S1NGH]

You can read soft target book regarding some of shocking revealtions on talvinder singh parmar, ie- bhai fauja singh ji's wife accused him for hijacking the peaceful movement. Soft target book has became such a reliable source for sikhs these days, oh off course people who sympathize with babbar will brush shady areas in parmar and malik's life they are pretty quick to use this book as reference yet hesitant to discuss some of fine issues in there because it challenges their beleif, they - panthic weekly guys quoting only stuff from there which suits their agenda, quote stuff on talvinder singh parmar from that book they wont because obviously that stuff is unreliable, same typical home made cook recipe articles just pick and chooose..that just shows their crediblity.

If you want to quote from the book- soft target, atleast read it fully. Our sikh soo called leaders jump on the bandwagon quoting from this book-soft target right, left and center yet hold double standards supporting certain self-proclaimed khalistani figures which this book clearly bought fwd how shady some area in lifes really were. !

read this book draw your own conculstions from it, check the index - and look for talvinder singh parmar- read the pages talk about him, atleast do something productive which is read this book throughly instead of parroting other speeches on how high and mighty this book really is and yet hold double standards regarding certain self-proclaimed khalistani figures which the same book criticize.

anyway here is the download link to download the book:

http://www.gurmarag.net/SikhAwareness/Text...get%20ebook.pdf

enjoy !

[rupinder singh]

this dosang guy, looks for excuses to defame sikhs but on a same token what you expect when our soo called leaders put talwinder singh parmar who was nothing but either fanatic with terrorist intent or Goi agent according to soft target held him as "matyr".

Next time peace of advise, dont let these commitee members who have twisted attitude of (one man terrorist is other man freedom fighter) represent sikhs in mainstream.

Namastang Jee, Could you back ur points up on how Talvinder Singh was a Indian Govt Agent?

Thank you jeeo

Probably because the great great "Soft Target" book says so!!!

[N30S1NGH]

Support of contoversial figures like talvinder singh parmar, malik, bagri, reyat should be avoided at all costs, lets just put your jatha behind for one second please, and represent khalsa panth. If you honestly weigh talvinder singh parmar with shaheedi(martyrdom) concept laid down by our 5th sri guru arjan dev ji. He is far from being an "shaheed".

According to the Soft Target book:

1. How do you explain state bank of india giving malik 2 million dollar at the same time accuse him and his freinds being khalistani fanatics?

2.How do you explain talvinder singh parmar demanding for 500 dollars out of nowhere by inviting all the innocent people for their "chardi-kalah simran session" at 5 am?????

3. How do you explain real shaheed bhai fauja singh ji;s wife accusing parmar for hijacking the movement?

4. how do you explain parmar wealth in short little time to buy houses in cash in one of richest area in BC? where is that money come from?

5. how do you explain parmar one hand- fully denying his involvement killing police officers to the authorities and in the gurdwara bragging how he killed police officers in the india? i m sure your chardi-kalah, farladhari maha shaheed gurmukh find lying obviously ok ?

i suggest you look into these points with open mind instead of same putting your jatha and jatha leaders first infront of sikhi/khalsa ethical/ moral views and dharam yudh maryada.

To equate/ give him label of shaheedi is maha beadhi its in fact it bring the downs defination of shaheedi which sri guru arjan dev ji showed us pratically..these days shaheedi word itself gets over used and abused just like any other labels like- sant, bhramgyan's, scholars.

[N30S1NGH]

this dosang guy, looks for excuses to defame sikhs but on a same token what you expect when our soo called leaders put talwinder singh parmar who was nothing but either fanatic with terrorist intent or Goi agent according to soft target held him as "matyr".

Next time peace of advise, dont let these commitee members who have twisted attitude of (one man terrorist is other man freedom fighter) represent sikhs in mainstream.

Namastang Jee, Could you back ur points up on how Talvinder Singh was a Indian Govt Agent?

Thank you jeeo

Probably because the great great "Soft Target" book says so!!!

book great or not, its besides that point, that point being when media accused sikh extermist you will see many sikhs including singhs from akj check articles on panthic.org using soft target as reference..what a double standard. either you find this book reliable or you dont, dont be in the middle do half arse job quoting same parts from the book and leave the rest, and not quote parts from the book to "cover up" kartuta of soo called mahan param yogs shaheed (sarcasm) or chardi-kalah singhs (sarcasm) who were acquitted.

[rupinder singh]

this dosang guy, looks for excuses to defame sikhs but on a same token what you expect when our soo called leaders put talwinder singh parmar who was nothing but either fanatic with terrorist intent or Goi agent according to soft target held him as "matyr".

Next time peace of advise, dont let these commitee members who have twisted attitude of (one man terrorist is other man freedom fighter) represent sikhs in mainstream.

Namastang Jee, Could you back ur points up on how Talvinder Singh was a Indian Govt Agent?

Thank you jeeo

Probably because the great great "Soft Target" book says so!!!

book great or not, its besides that point, that point being when media accused sikh extermist you will see many sikhs including singhs from akj check articles on panthic.org using soft target as reference..what a double standard. either you find this book reliable or you dont, dont be in the middle do half arse job quoting same parts from the book and leave the rest, and not quote parts from the book to "cover up" kartuta of soo called mahan param yogs shaheed (sarcasm) or chardi-kalah singhs (sarcasm) who were acquitted.

Well i'm not a akj person whatsoever. But some elders who had interaction with Talvinder Singh speak quite fondly of him.

much as i like to believe the conspiracies of the mahan Soft Target book, the words of these elders seem to over ride.

[N30S1NGH]

I am looking at it by neutral point of view and i still don't understand.. To me i get to the point that its most likely ppl who vote for such guy are the ones who don't much of their own history..

I have been to BC, whole sikh community is divided into two factions- moderate sikhs and imaginary soo called creation- fundamentalist sikhs as they put it soo much soo gurdwaras are run by these two factions, real anaki/sidaki singhs would never vote for ujjal dosanj and his likes, its the moderate sikhs who votes for him so that they can power in media.

Going deeper:

Here is the deal with sikhs in BC, Canada thats is what i think, others who live in BC, canada can add or correct me if i m wrong- sikhs here are pretty falls into two extremes- one pro sant bhindranwale, pro babar khalsa pro khalistan anti bharamins, anti hindu, anti anyone who doesnt agree to their views and other extreme is anti khalistan because violence against them by khalistani during 1984 because lack of co-operation from their side or simply not agreeing with their side, this extreme is tottaly put off by sikhi- they usually are anti chola/bana wearing singhs, anti kirpan, anti kesh with attitude its inside what matters, anti maryada - sitting on ground etc.

Both extremes are wrong.

You wont find people with mixture in majority as in - pro khalistan movement yet fully against unjustified force...pro sant bhindranwale idea of sovergeinty yet denouncing, condeming other soo called khalistan groups have used unjustified force which have killed loads of innocent civilians whether it revolves around contoversial figures like talvinder singh parmar(contoversial figure read-soft target) or ajaib singh bagri(hate speech to kill 50,000 hindus).

Since there is no middle ground of people in majority who are neither fanatics nor pacifist, its very easy for media take sides towards as they put it moderates which in this soceity means- pacificism/ you just call 911 if you see - rape happening infront of your eyes instead of doing something physically to stop it, that be off course consider as a crime you had no right to be involved, let police deal with it kinda attitude.

Media here generally are anti minorities.

Actually cannot blame fully on media either, when our sikh community leaders can hardly speak english goes to media with an attitude - talvinder singh parmar is an hero, i can say you are terrorist anyone call anyone terrorist with out any proof...instead of creating an intellectual dialogue with the media and correct them- struggle for khalistan/sovergeinty is not as black and white as they think and give glorious examples from the history explained the role of sant-sipahi, give examples how khalsa have in the past denounced violence, condemns violence and only use justified method to get justice and give examples from anmesty international human rights abuse report against india.

quite a bit of damage has been done to the image of sikhs here in canada by bias media or shall i say- naive media, i dont think media should be fully blamed for blunders our soo called khalistan leaders who stuck in one extreme have made.

Its about time canadian sikhs should hold some accountablity, acknowledgement in media yes we had sikh fanatics within ourselves, fanaticism is not a sikh problem but Global problem instead of rejecting the news by playing the usual trumphet- oh look at that kim bolan, terri melveski wrote a bias article, oh they are ought there to get us(sikhs again). Lets stop playing the victim role and do something productive. Victim role as our maha panthic sevadars - arrogrant mini akaal takth wanna be police panthic weekly are doing- http://www.panthic.org/news/131/ARTICLE/3250/2007-04-25.html

They are quoting from the book-soft target whenever it suits them, when you ask them what does it this book think about "Talvinder Singh Parmar"...they zip their mouth.

Here is the download link for e-book- soft target, go all the way down to index, look for talvinder singh parmar, read all the pages related to parmar, draw your own opnion on this matter:

Right click and save target as:

www.gurmarag.net/SikhAwareness/Text

I am not denying there are people who dont follow those both extremes that i listed above but the point is they are still not in majority because they are not visible to media or they dont approach media to set the record straight, thats the problem. People who can hardly speak english ie- comitee member of gurdwara approach media and think they are representative of whole sikh community in BC instead of holding an intellectual dialogue with media and educating them they go on about how talvinder singh is not terrorist, he is hereo, i can say you are terrorist given no proof but rather childish comments,, blah blah.. This is a serious problem, youths in BC like have to sort things out and set the record straight. I have seen media people like to get both sides, but our soo called leaders in BC in the gurdwaras dont return their phone calls, tell me how silly that seems to wider canadian community?

Kim Bolan, terry meliveski have done damage to sikh image no doubt but as they say it takes two to tango, our soo called sikh community leaders in BC have equally done damage to sikh image.

[N30S1NGH]

this dosang guy, looks for excuses to defame sikhs but on a same token what you expect when our soo called leaders put talwinder singh parmar who was nothing but either fanatic with terrorist intent or Goi agent according to soft target held him as "matyr".

Next time peace of advise, dont let these commitee members who have twisted attitude of (one man terrorist is other man freedom fighter) represent sikhs in mainstream.

Namastang Jee, Could you back ur points up on how Talvinder Singh was a Indian Govt Agent?

Thank you jeeo

Probably because the great great "Soft Target" book says so!!!

book great or not, its besides that point, that point being when media accused sikh extermist you will see many sikhs including singhs from akj check articles on panthic.org using soft target as reference..what a double standard. either you find this book reliable or you dont, dont be in the middle do half arse job quoting same parts from the book and leave the rest, and not quote parts from the book to "cover up" kartuta of soo called mahan param yogs shaheed (sarcasm) or chardi-kalah singhs (sarcasm) who were acquitted.

Well i'm not a akj person whatsoever. But some elders who had interaction with Talvinder Singh speak quite fondly of him.

much as i like to believe the conspiracies of the mahan Soft Target book, the words of these elders seem to over ride.

i follow the facts not soo and soo phelna gurmukh singh spoke fondly of him.

[TeriSharan.]

if parmer is govt agent, why did punjab police kill him?