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Punjab now a land of Bihari 'Sardars'

LUDHIANA: The tenth and final Sikh teacher, Guru Gobind Singh, who was born in Bihar's capital Patna nearly 300 years ago, would have approved of this sociologial trend in contemporary Punjab.

The old advisory to people to adapt to the culture of the places they go to, 'When in Rome, do as Romans do', has been assimilated with gusto by the migrant population of Bihar and Uttar Pradesh, in the "land of five rivers".

Indeed, with 'kara' around his wrist, long flowing beard, turban, and 'Singh' suffixed to his name, the 'bhaiyya' from the heartland has transformed into 'paaji' in Punjab.

In a study by Punjab Agricultural University's Department of Economics and Sociology — with a sample size of 240 migrants (120 local labourers and 120 farmers) — a whopping 81% of migrants reported a change in the language they speak, the food they eat and the clothes they wear. Pegged at more than 10 lakh in a city of about 50 lakh people, there is one migrant from UP or Bihar for every five Punjabi.

The study, carried out by Dr M S Sidhu, Dr A S Joshi and Inderpreet Kaur, employed something called a multi-stage sampling framework wherein samples were taken from districts, blocks and villages. It also zeroed in on local labourers and farmers for cross-references.

Interestingly, in similar studies in 1978-79 and 1983-84, 33% and 40% of migrant labourers had reported a noticeable change in their language. In the last survey, however, the change in language went up to 76%. Also, 84% of respondents reported a change of preference from the traditional favourite rice to wheat. Similarly, 88% had switched from dhoti to pyjama-kameez. Some went for the more comfortable 'lungi' even as the women folk made the sartorial switch from sari to salwar-kameez.

Like Ranjit Kumar, who calls himself Ranjit Singh these days, nearly 11% of people from Bihar and UP use Punjabi surnames. The 25-year-old, who came from Bihar to Sainian Bahurian village in Gurdaspur district to work in the farm of Mann Singh, is as much Punjabi as anybody around him.

Sukhram, too, is no exception. He came to Sunam in Sangrur from Purnea in Bihar, some 15 years ago to work for Mohinderpal Singh Dhindsa.

Now, with a beard and kara on his wrist, he is indistinguishable from the people around him in this nondescript town.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Punjab_...how/2583135.cms

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Great news. But lets hope these people avoid our worst habits like killing female foetus and hardcore alcoholism....balle balle

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2Desi nice Signature pic make one about Khalistan as well,Biharis what can I say have invaded Panjab,they smoke ,do all the non gurmat things but then try to blend in,I for one do not support this ,the common Panjabi is loosing out to Biharis,thats the reason Dal Khalsa ,KAC did Panjab Jagao March to wake people up to this dangerous situation

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2Desi nice Signature pic make one about Khalistan as well,Biharis what can I say have invaded Panjab,they smoke ,do all the non gurmat things but then try to blend in,I for one do not support this ,the common Panjabi is loosing out to Biharis,thats the reason Dal Khalsa ,KAC did Panjab Jagao March to wake people up to this dangerous situation

That sounds like exactly what the BNP say about people like us coming to this country....

"They change the culture"

"They have invaded us"

"They take all the jobs"

The only thing Dal Khalsa need to do is find ways of integrating them into Punjabi society. Seeing as zamindars sons are now mostly druggies or too spoilt and lazy to work their land themselves, we need this labour. The same way England benefited economically from foreign like Punjabis in the past and Polish people now.

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^ Exactly. Well Said brother. If the Biharis stopped coming to Punjab, the economy of Punjab would collapse faster than anyone could say the word hello. Also, they are converting to Sikhism, and following the traditions of Sikhism, much better than people who are born into the religion and take it for granted.

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They bring Hindu influence along with their 'culture',we can't get our religion sorted out and you lot worry about the economy ,Khalistan is the only solution,forget negotiations with Govts about Economy and development,maro goli

Wake up! Plenty of traditional Punjabi "Sikhs" bring Hindu influences to Sikhism. The amount of times I have gone to "SIkh" houses and seen pictures of Kali, Hanuman, Shiv (the blue guy), Ganesh (elephant headed one) is countless.

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They bring Hindu influence along with their 'culture',we can't get our religion sorted out and you lot worry about the economy ,Khalistan is the only solution,forget negotiations with Govts about Economy and development,maro goli

Wake up! Plenty of traditional Punjabi "Sikhs" bring Hindu influences to Sikhism. The amount of times I have gone to "SIkh" houses and seen pictures of Kali, Hanuman, Shiv (the blue guy), Ganesh (elephant headed one) is countless.

very true...in punjab, nearly every sikh house has pictures of mata sheran wali or rama and sita next to their pics of Guru Nanak Dev Ji and Guru Gobind Singh Ji Maharaj..not to mention the pics of the Radhaswami Guru nonono.gifhit.gif

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They bring Hindu influence along with their 'culture',we can't get our religion sorted out and you lot worry about the economy ,Khalistan is the only solution,forget negotiations with Govts about Economy and development,maro goli

Wake up! Plenty of traditional Punjabi "Sikhs" bring Hindu influences to Sikhism. The amount of times I have gone to "SIkh" houses and seen pictures of Kali, Hanuman, Shiv (the blue guy), Ganesh (elephant headed one) is countless.

very true...in punjab, nearly every sikh house has pictures of mata sheran wali or rama and sita next to their pics of Guru Nanak Dev Ji and Guru Gobind Singh Ji Maharaj..not to mention the pics of the Radhaswami Guru nonono.gifhit.gif

Hell, even people (in the Uk) who proper look like traditional Sikhs have all sorts of dodgy images/idols in their houses.

As for RS, the amount of time I have known someone for ages only to find out that they weren't really Sikh but RS when I've gone round and seen a photo of their Guru on the wall.

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thats happened to me loads of time aswell...they look like singhs, talk like singhs, eat like singhs (veggie stuff) but believe in the living radhaswami guru and matha tekh to him and his photo....

Most don't even believe in Guru Granth Sahib Ji but instead use saloks of Bhagta Kabir Ji and other Bhagats as their Holy Scriptures.

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On 11/30/2007 at 9:48 PM, dalsingh101 said:

 

As for RS, the amount of time I have known someone for ages only to find out that they weren't really Sikh but RS when I've gone round and seen a photo of their Guru on the wall.

@dallysingh101I don't know a single one personally in UK. Probably I don't go other peoples' house much, lol.

Or you just keep dodgy company, lol

@shastarSingh Veer ji, as well as the original post on this thread, I remember hearing from relatives in Panjab that a lot of Bihari 'bhayea' in their area had become Amritdhari. Is this still true ?

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28 minutes ago, Premi5 said:

I don't know a single one personally in UK. Probably I don't go other peoples' house much, lol.

Or you just keep dodgy company, lol

You need to come out from under your bed now and then! lol!!

I'm messing with you. I don't go people's houses much either these days . That was posted 14 years ago ffs!  

There are LOADS of closet RS. Very successful business types too. 

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On 11/30/2007 at 1:48 PM, dalsingh101 said:

Hell, even people (in the Uk) who proper look like traditional Sikhs have all sorts of dodgy images/idols in their houses.

As for RS, the amount of time I have known someone for ages only to find out that they weren't really Sikh but RS when I've gone round and seen a photo of their Guru on the wall.

"Wait, where you going? Come back."

*Sound of screen door clapping as someone exits hurridly*

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