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Baba Sri Chand Ji And Misconception

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"Let us sing the praises of Nanak, King of kings of both worlds

The whole world is His temple, congregations sing sweet songs in His praise

Millions of goddesses kindle holy lights in His honor

All the gods sing psalms of His praises

All wash His lotus feet

The Sun and moon illuminate Him with their radiance

He is garlanded with mountains of flowers

The True Master, the fountain of Light is merciful to the poor

The king of the winds fans Him while saints and sages meditate on His holiness

The whole universe vibrates with His celestial song

The bells ring out - Onkar

Continuously illuminating the heavens

He is one with God whose name is Truth

In Nanak saints find their support

Siri Chand, Nanak's son, declares Nanak is unattainable,

unfathomable, unshakeable and pure

Whoever sings Emperor Nanak's praises resides in heaven and achieves complete salvation

Oh kind master: give protection to those who seek your shelter.

Oh Nanak: You are the savior we are just your children"

These beautiful words of praise for Guru Nanak are the words of Baba Siri Chand ji written in praise of his father, Guru Nanak and sung by him and the entire sangat as they welcomed the great Guru home from his third Udasi (world pilgrimage) with flowers and candlelight.

Not only was there a great love and devotion between Baba Siri Chand ji and Guru Nanak, but over the 149 years of his life there was great love and respect with the ensuing five Sikh Gurus.

Guru Nanak Dev ji left Baba Siri Chand ji in charge of Kartarpur during his later Udasis and following his final Udasi bestowed the dress and duty of Udasi (Pilgrim/Missionary) on Baba Siri Chand ji himself. Thus Baba Siri Chand ji was given the responsibility of uniting the various Sadhu samaj (ascetic schools) and integrating them with the "householders" (devotees who led a worldly life). Throughout his life he helped householder and sadhu alike. One could say that Babaji himself was a householder since he adopted and raised his nephew Dharm Chand ji and arranged his marriage. He directed all his followers to love Guru Nanak Dev ji and in addition to Arta composed "Guru Nanak Sahansar Nama" (1000 Names of Praise for Guru Nanak) praising Guru Nanak Dev ji in his cosmic form as "All pervasive, Creator, Master of the World". Babaji concluded his Matra Sahib, which is still recited today by all Udasis, with "I bow again and again on the feet of Siri Guru Nanak."

It is a historical fact that all the Gurus loved and respected Baba Siri Chand ji. Guru Amar Das ji gave his eldest son, Baba Mohan ji to serve Baba Siri Chand ji. Guru Hargobind Sahib offered his son, Baba Gurditta, the father of Guru Harkrishan ji (7th Guru) to be Baba Siri Chand ji's devotee and successor. Baba Siri Chand ji gave the name "Amritsar" that is used today to the city that had been called Ramdaspur. And the place where Guru Arjan Dev ji waited daily for his meetings with Baba Siri Chand ji and his resting place are still marked by the historical sites of Thamb Sahib and Manji Sahib at the village of Barath. Babaji also gave water from his baoli (spring) for the Sarovar (sacred pool) at Tarn Taran.

When Guru Arjan Devji recited the first 16 astpadis (stanzas) of his Sukhmani Sahib (Hymns of Peace) for Baba Siri Chand ji, Babaji appreciated them so much that he said there should be more.Guru Arjan Devji then requested Baba Siri Chand to give the opening lines of the 17th astpadi. So Baba Siri Chand, following his father Guru Nanak Dev ji's example, recited "Aad Sach, Jugaad Sach, Hai bhi Sach, Nanak Josi bhi Sach..." True in the beginning, Eternally True, God is True now and will always be True This line appears as given by Babaji in Guru Granth Sahib ji and is recited as bani today.

The historical annals of Jehangir show that Baba Siri Chand was considered the Fakir of all Fakirs in India and had the greatest following of anyone at that time. While history is full of treachery and betrayal, Babaji did not take advantage of his position when Jehangir conspired to have Baba Siri Chand ji take over the Gurgaddi (the seat of the Guru) when Guru Hargobind Sahib was imprisoned in Gwalior. Babaji clearly told the Emperor that he had best free Guru Hargobind Sahib as the Guru was the true and rightful successor to Guru Nanak's throne. Other wise there would be grave consequences. The Emperor heeded his warning.

The now famous Anandpur Sahib resolution of 1973, it was passed that all Udasis and Nirmalas who had been alienated from the Panth be reunited. Then in 1978 at the All India Akali Conference held at Ludhiana with Jathedar Jagdev Singh Talwandi presiding, Gurcharan Singh Tohra, President of the S.G.P.C.,introduced a resolution that Sikhs should recognize Udasis as an integral part of the Panth and passed unanimously in the presence of a sangat of over 400,000. Earlier in the year 1995 at the major conference called by the Jathedar of Akal Takhat, on the future of the Sikh Panth, Udasis were represented and spoke.

The most convincing argument about Baba Siri Chand ji's greatness and the love and respect that existed between him and the Gurus is a spiritual one. We as Sikhs are taught and accept that the Light that is Guru Nanak Dev ji is the same Light which became Guru Angad Dev ji and passed from Guru to Guru until Guru Gobind Singh ji and ultimately became enshrined in Guru Granth Sahib. If Baba Siri Chand ji in any way found disfavor with his father Guru Nanak, how could the Light of Guru Nanak which became Guru Amar Das ji go to pay respect to Baba ji and offer his son in service?. How could the Light of Guru Nanak in Guru Ram Das ji and Guru Arjan Dev ji and Guru Hargobind Sahib show so much love and devotion to one whom the Light had rejected? And how could anyone who disrespected his father ever compose "Arta", a hymn of such praise in his honor?

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you missed a mojor part of thier contribution to the panth by omitting the seva they did of keeping the Sikh Shrines operating while the Dal Panth was being hunted...

you naughty boy!

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i thought it was hindu pandits and brahmans that kept the shrines of Sikhs while the sikhs were being hunted.

The above article describes Sri Chand as a good character while i have always heard that he was disobedient to Guru Nanak.

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i thought it was hindu pandits and brahmans that kept the shrines of Sikhs while the sikhs were being hunted.

The above article describes Sri Chand as a good character while i have always heard that he was disobedient to Guru Nanak.

Vaheguru Ji Ka Khalsa

Vaheguru Ji Ki Fateh

If Baba Sri Chand was a bad character why would 3rd Guru Nanak Dev Ji, Guru Amar Das ji give his eldest son to Baba Ji, and why would 6th Guru Nanak Dev Ji Guru Hargobind Sahib offer his eldest son Baba Gurditta Ji to the Baba Sri Chand Ji's Udhasi Sikh Mat who would later become the successor of Baba Sri Chand Ji. And then why would 6th Guru Nanak Dev Ji Maharaj Sri Guru Hargobind Sahib give the Seventh Pathshahi to his grandson Sri Har Rai Ji, who where from udhasi Sikh mat themselves, being son of Baba Gurditta Ji. These are well documented fact and apear over and over again from different sources from that time. This proves that Baba Sri Chand Ji where Guru Nanak Dev Ji's Gursikh themesleves, and their Udhasi mat was Guru Nanak Dev Ji's own and a big part of Sikhi.

Sikhi is not how a certain Jatha, or a bunch of Missionaries, "Professors" and the main-streamest (the people who just listen to all these guys and pass it on) preach it. Infact some things have been distorted in this way, due to "outside" influences.

Sikhi is and had always been the same. Just the way of preaching it has changed..but somehow along the lines some things that some people preach have also gone wrong aswell inbetween, like Baba Sri Chand Ji being a bad character and baimukh to Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji Maharaj, which is obviously not true.

the fact is that Baba Sri Chand Ji where a great Gursikh, and Gurmukh of Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji Maharaj, who where on a mission from Guru Sahib themselves to spread Sikhi. and to prove it

When Guru Ram Das met Baba Sri Chand, the Baba commented that Guru Ram Das had the longest beard he had seen. Guru Ram Das replied, "It is to wipe the feet of the saints". Guru Ram Das bent down to do so, and Sri Chand pulled his feet back in surprise.

bul chuka mauf karni ji, je kaldhi hogi theh zaroor dasna theh correct karna,

once again, Excellent post by Jassa.

Vaheguru Ji Ka Khalsa

Vaheguru Ji Ki Fateh

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interesting, as i have never heard this before. what janam sakhis or history books are you basing this upon?

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When Guru Arjan Devji recited the first 16 astpadis (stanzas) of his Sukhmani Sahib (Hymns of Peace) for Baba Siri Chand ji, Babaji appreciated them so much that he said there should be more.Guru Arjan Devji then requested Baba Siri Chand to give the opening lines of the 17th astpadi. So Baba Siri Chand, following his father Guru Nanak Dev ji's example, recited "Aad Sach, Jugaad Sach, Hai bhi Sach, Nanak Josi bhi Sach..." True in the beginning, Eternally True, God is True now and will always be True This line appears as given by Babaji in Guru Granth Sahib ji and is recited as bani today.

Source...??

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re the Astpadia being written up to 16 is not true. If you read the sukhmani sahib steeks it is not mentioned and Sant KArtar Singh Ji Bhindrawalae talk about this point in their gurmatveechar recording

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I am not sure if it is mentioned in Mahant Kirpal Singhs steek. i have heard this story many times about Baba Sri Chand Ji suggesting Guru Arjan Dev Ji to write 8 more Astpadis for the Sukhmani Sahib. I even used to tell others the story.

But once i started to listen to the taksal katha by sant gurbachan singh and the gurmatveechar katha of sant kartar singh. Both mahapurkh state it never took place and the story was made to give a certain superiority to the udasi samparda to that of the orthodox sikh faith.

The bani was created as people who are family orientated and could not do saas giraas 24 hours of the day so a benti was put foreward to the fifth nanak. Guru Arjan Dev Ji wrote the bani in accordance to the number of hours some say but at the time of the gurus the systems of hours were not in user but pahirs, gharis, thitis, etc

If you read the first page of the steek by Sant Makhan Singh Ji Sato Gali Walae or listen to teh opening of the sukhmani sahib katha on www.gurmatveechar.com they explain how the bani of Sukhmani sahib has a certain amount of letters with and without the alphabet. representing the number of breaths a householder is said to use per day and the number of breaths the yogis state a person takes per day. Both numbers are different and Guru sahib kept both sanbandhs when making the bani.

If they created only 16 astpadis and thought it was sanpooran for a person to gain the fal of a days saas giras but had to be told by another, it just does not sound right for 'Partakh Har Sri Guru Arjan Dev Ji'

Guru Arjan Dev Ji were not informed by Baba Sri Chand Ji to write more Astpadis as all was in the will of the Lord and he in his Sargun form knew all and created the Sukhmani Sahib in perfection with no other help.

As i said you can find the audio i have mentioned below

Gurmatveechar by Sant Kartar Singh

http://www.gurmatveechar.org/audio/katha/0...mat.Veechar.mp3

Sukhmani Sahib Katha by Sant Gurbachan Singh Ji

http://www.gurmatveechar.org/audio/katha/k...FSukhmani_Sahib

Sukhmani Sahib by Sant Makhan Singh Ji Sato Gali Walae

http://www.gurmatveechar.org/audio/katha/k...i_Sahib_Viakhya

I also do not belive it is mentioned in the katha by Giani Thakur Singh Ji

i have sant gurbachan singh jis katha word for word written in pdf somewhere will try to get that up as well

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On 1/4/2008 at 10:04 AM, sikha said:

interesting, as i have never heard this before. what janam sakhis or history books are you basing this upon?

You should have know about all this also

you naughty girl .

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Whose heard the story of baba sri chand laughing and asking Guru Ram Das ji why his beard is so long and Guru Ram Das ji said to wipe the feet of saints like you   and Guru ji bent over and started cleaning Sri chands feet.   Iv heard different versions of this story.  Some people deny it   

Didnt sri chand reject Guru Nanak Dev jis dharam and start his own sect. He had a lot of yogic powers. 

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