Baba Sri Chand Ji And Misconception

[kam1825]

I am not sure if it is mentioned in Mahant Kirpal Singhs steek. i have heard this story many times about Baba Sri Chand Ji suggesting Guru Arjan Dev Ji to write 8 more Astpadis for the Sukhmani Sahib. I even used to tell others the story.

But once i started to listen to the taksal katha by sant gurbachan singh and the gurmatveechar katha of sant kartar singh. Both mahapurkh state it never took place and the story was made to give a certain superiority to the udasi samparda to that of the orthodox sikh faith.

The bani was created as people who are family orientated and could not do saas giraas 24 hours of the day so a benti was put foreward to the fifth nanak. Guru Arjan Dev Ji wrote the bani in accordance to the number of hours some say but at the time of the gurus the systems of hours were not in user but pahirs, gharis, thitis, etc

If you read the first page of the steek by Sant Makhan Singh Ji Sato Gali Walae or listen to teh opening of the sukhmani sahib katha on www.gurmatveechar.com they explain how the bani of Sukhmani sahib has a certain amount of letters with and without the alphabet. representing the number of breaths a householder is said to use per day and the number of breaths the yogis state a person takes per day. Both numbers are different and Guru sahib kept both sanbandhs when making the bani.

If they created only 16 astpadis and thought it was sanpooran for a person to gain the fal of a days saas giras but had to be told by another, it just does not sound right for 'Partakh Har Sri Guru Arjan Dev Ji'

Guru Arjan Dev Ji were not informed by Baba Sri Chand Ji to write more Astpadis as all was in the will of the Lord and he in his Sargun form knew all and created the Sukhmani Sahib in perfection with no other help.

As i said you can find the audio i have mentioned below

Gurmatveechar by Sant Kartar Singh

http://www.gurmatveechar.org/audio/katha/0...mat.Veechar.mp3

Sukhmani Sahib Katha by Sant Gurbachan Singh Ji

http://www.gurmatveechar.org/audio/katha/k...FSukhmani_Sahib

Sukhmani Sahib by Sant Makhan Singh Ji Sato Gali Walae

http://www.gurmatveechar.org/audio/katha/k...i_Sahib_Viakhya

I also do not belive it is mentioned in the katha by Giani Thakur Singh Ji

i have sant gurbachan singh jis katha word for word written in pdf somewhere will try to get that up as well

[Amandeol]

On 1/4/2008 at 10:04 AM, sikha said:

interesting, as i have never heard this before. what janam sakhis or history books are you basing this upon?

You should have know about all this also

you naughty girl .

[puzzled]

Whose heard the story of baba sri chand laughing and asking Guru Ram Das ji why his beard is so long and Guru Ram Das ji said to wipe the feet of saints like you   and Guru ji bent over and started cleaning Sri chands feet.   Iv heard different versions of this story.  Some people deny it   

Didnt sri chand reject Guru Nanak Dev jis dharam and start his own sect. He had a lot of yogic powers.