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bani is more important, not the raags.

see jap ji sahib is a morning bani, but if some one wish to do jap ji sahib all the day, it means he/she will be reciting morning bani in evening and night too.

there is no problem if u do kirtan in any raag or any time if u soul really wants to recite the specific shabad at that time.

if u knw many raags then try to find shaabd of same parkaran in the raag according to time but it doesnt matter at all.

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Timing does matter as it corresponds to the raag being sung, baaNee is baaNee its holistic on the soul no matter how its sung or recited, but when it comes to doing keertan, we should all strive to sing it in raag, in regards to the timing, you wouldn't read ASAdeevaar at night because raag aasaa is suppose to be sung in the morning, same with any other raag. Japjee Saaheb is not written in a raag therefore you can sing it, read it or recite it. Some shabads are written in a specific raag for a reason, otherwise the raag system wouldn't be there in gurbaaNee, so if we want to follow that system or strive to follow it we must learn to recite raags for the specified time the raag is written for.

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Raag is very important. According to Hindustani Sangeet (where most Gurbani Raags come from.)

There is a specified time attached to the raags, such as Basant Raag is to sung at the season of Basant or at midnight.

What will happen if you sing it during the day? It'll turn into Basant if your good enough (they say) :)

The timing business attached to the raag is a system that is used mainly by those mostly into Sangeet. However in Sikhi, it doesn't matter when you express the feeling of bairag, or feeling of kushi - it's all good - it's not that big of a deal.

That being said, there is a reason why the raags are sung at certain timings. Raag Asa IS a morning raag because it IS a "morning feeling"-kind of raag - very very nice, simple and easy - nothing complicated about it.

Jaitsri for example (or other raags using notes similar to Jaitsri such as Sri Raag) are slightly more "complicated"/"complex" and have a very different way of piercing you. These are set in the afternoon.

It's mainly due to the nature of the Raag (which is determined by the notes used - especially the main surs (vadi) ) that determines what time it's meant to be sung. However as mentioned, due to the fact that in Sikhi -or Gurmat Sangeet, although the raag is also important, it is the SHABAD that the emphasis is laid on.

This means that you'll get anand while listening to the shabad, at any time, listening to it on the RIGHT time will def increase the intensity of the experience...

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Timing does matter as it corresponds to the raag being sung, baaNee is baaNee its holistic on the soul no matter how its sung or recited, but when it comes to doing keertan, we should all strive to sing it in raag, in regards to the timing, you wouldn't read ASAdeevaar at night because raag aasaa is suppose to be sung in the morning, same with any other raag. Japjee Saaheb is not written in a raag therefore you can sing it, read it or recite it. Some shabads are written in a specific raag for a reason, otherwise the raag system wouldn't be there in gurbaaNee, so if we want to follow that system or strive to follow it we must learn to recite raags for the specified time the raag is written for.

I'm just wondering, why if Raag Asa is meant to be sung in the morning, then why is there Raag Asa in Keertan Sohila?

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Sohila Sahib is not presented in the roop of kirtan when done late evening. The roop of kirtan has different rules to that of doing paath. For example in kirtan a shlok is a complete shabad, however when we do paath, until we read all the shlok and then the pauri, the shabad does not become complete. These rules are further demonstrated when we take a hukamnama and when we do kirtan. A hukamnama is not complete until all the shlok's and puari is read, however simply singing the shlok or a pauri would be enough to complete the shabad. Since the rules of the two differ (doing kirtan and paath differ) it is essential to understand how these rules work. Maybe the rules of paath and Kirtan are also different when it comes to doing Sahoila sahib as paath as compared to singing a shabad in the roop of kirtan.

To be honest im not sure if time matters in kirtan, although it exists in sangeet, does it necessary exist in gurmat sangeet? its one we can debate on without definite answer, unless we have guidance from gurbani or history, personally Ive not come across any guidance from history or gurbani. However, I totally agree with what Veer V jee has said, my current understanding is representing in his post. At darbar Sahib, the old maryada was to split the times of jhatas according to the chaunki of raag. for example there was bilawal dee chaunki, or after rehras sahib there was Jaitsri de chaunki. These principles have slowly disappeared as today people do not even bother to do kirtan in raag, never mind according to a specific time.

I do believe kirtan should only be done in raag. If we take raags out of Sikhi, the whole organisation of the guru granth sahib is taken away. Other than Japjee sahib and shloks etc at the end of the Guru granth sahib most of gurbani is structured around Raags. If doing kirtan in Raag was a choice then guru jee would not have organised the Guru Granth Sahib and shabads on such a subject. Just look at the tattkra of the guru granth sahib and we see the importance of Raags. Further, in gurbani itelf we see the praise of Raags and guru jee even telling us to do kirtan in raag:

Har utam har prabh gavia, kar naad bilawal raag.

Its unfortunate that we dont listen to guru jee.

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