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They can write and talk all they want, no Real Nihang Singh Dal will ever stop the maryada of Shaheedi Degh or jhatka for that matter. AKJ UK from Derby who recently showed support for Sarabjit Dhund

Wow, these warriors are something arn't they ? Gurbani's not enough to make them brave. The sacrifices of the sahibzadeh are not enough to make them. The martyrdom of their Gurus is not enough to m

If a time ever came where we needed to fight battles, these things come automatically. It's like when you get a bacterial infection you can take antibiotics to help the body stop it. What's the poin

YAWN ......... PEOPLE WILL TRY AND JUSTIFY THERE OWN WEAKNESSES HW EVER THEY CAN... BUT YOU CAN NOT DENY THE TRUTH .... EASTING MEAT AND CONSUMING DRUGS ARE BUJJER KUREHITS... IF YOU WISH TO CARRY ON DOING THIS THEN I;M SURE YOU WELL CARRY ON JUSTIFYING YORU ACTIONS WITH BOGUS SAKHIS AND OTHER NONESENSE....

GURSIKHS WHO FOUGHT IN GURU JIS TIME WOULD NOT HAVE MUNCHED ON HORSE/DONKEY/BOAR MEAT THEY WOULD HAVE CONSUMED BANI E.G 'SIREE RAAG, FIRST MEHL: I have no anxiety about dying, and no hope of living. You are the Cherisher of all beings; You keep the account of our breaths and morsels of food. You abide within the Gurmukh. As it pleases You, You decide our allotment. || 1 ||' (p20).

IF YOU HAVE A SPRITUAL WEAKNESS DO NOT TRY AND COVER IT UP JUST ADMIT YOU NEEED HELP !!

Kabir Bhaang, Machhli Surapaan Jo Jo Praanee Khahey.

Tirath, Barat, Nem Kiaye Te Sabhay Rasaatal Jahey. (pg. 1376)

Whosoever eats flesh, fish, etc. and takes wine and hemp, all his religious acts will go to waste. ( REPAT ALL RELIGOUS ACTS ARE USELESS FOR THOSE WHO FOLLWO YOUR WARPED VIEWS)

Bed Kateb Kaho Mat Jhoothhay, Jhoothhaa Jo Na Bichaarey.

Jo Sabh Meh Ek Khudal Kahat Ho,To Kio Murghi Maarey. (pg. 1350)

Do not call various religious texts false. False is one who gives no thought to their contents. If you consider God is in all, then why you slaughter the chicken (i.e., life?) ( HMM TO FILL YOUR STOMACH ??)

Jee Badhoh So Dharam Kar ThaapohAdharam Kaho Kat Bhai.

Aapas Ko Munwar Kar Thaapoh, Kaa Ko Kaho Kasaaee. (pg. 1103)

You kill animals and call it religion (Rahit); then what indeed is irreligion (Kurahit)? Even then you consider yourself as a sage of sages; then whom to call a butcher? ( DON'T TASTE SO GOOD NOW )

Kabir Jee Jo Maareh Jor Kar,Kaahtey Heh Ju Halaal.

Daftar Daee Jab Kaadh Hal, Hoegaa Kaun Havaal (pg. 1375)

Whosoever slays life by force and call it sanctified; What will be his fate when he will be called to account for it in His Court? ( NIHAN G SINGH CUT THE HEAD OFF ANIMALS WHILST RECITING BANI , THEN RITUALISTICLY PLACE DROPS OF THE DEAD ANIMALS BLOOD ON THE NISHAN SAHIB ASWELL AS THERE WEAPONS.... HMMMM )

Kabir Khoob Khaana Khichri, Ja Meh Amrit Lon.

Heraa Rotee Kaamey Galaa Kataavey Kon. (pg. 1374)

Blessed is the simple food of rice mixed with salt; Who would risk his head to be slain hereafter, for the meat one eats here? (NEED WE CARRY ON WITH THIS POST )

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Kabir Bhaang, Machhli Surapaan Jo Jo Praanee Khahey.

Tirath, Barat, Nem Kiaye Te Sabhay Rasaatal Jahey. (pg. 1376)

Firstly note that maachlee is not flesh, but is indeed fish. The word in Punjabi for flesh is maas. Then secondly one must ask, why is there a forbidding in the consumption of fish specifically. The answer lies in reading the entire paragraph and a picture emerges. In the last two lines the statement is made:

kabeer ja-o garihu karahi ta Dharam kar naahee ta kar bairaag.

Kabeer, if you live the householder's life, then practice righteousness; otherwise, you might as well retire from the world.

bairaagee banDhan karai taa ko bado abhaag. 243

If someone renounces the world, and then gets involved in worldly entanglements, he shall suffer terrible misfortune. 243

Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji

Now putting this in its entire context what Bhagat Kabir is actually criticising in the rich and those in power. The thrill seekers, who are addicted to their senses and those addicted to the 5 thieves. Kabir was born around the area of Benares, and was brought up in a poor Muslim weavers family. He saw the excesses of the rich around him, while the poor starved. Foods like fish and wine were associated with the rich who had an excessive disposable income. Marijuana was associated with either idol people or those who had time and money to waste. Kabir abhorred this, and this statement is a social comment about the excesses of the rich. At the end he clearly states, that those people who do their duties as householders (i.e. work hard, care for other etc) are the ones who will be liberated, and those who live by excesses will suffer. One cantherefore clearly see that this is in no way a comment about eating meat (because of mistranslation) or about avoiding certain foods (as has been misrepresented).

Bed Kateb Kaho Mat Jhoothhay, Jhoothhaa Jo Na Bichaarey.

Jo Sabh Meh Ek Khudal Kahat Ho,To Kio Murghi Maarey. (pg. 1350)

Do not call various religious texts false. False is one who gives no thought to their contents. If you consider God is in all, then why you slaughter the chicken (i.e., life?) ( HMM TO FILL YOUR STOMACH ??)

Do not say that the Vedas, the Bible and the Koran are false. Those who do not contemplate them are false.

You say that the One Lord is in all, so why do you kill chickens?

O Mullah, tell me: is this God's Justice?

The doubts of your mind have not been dispelled. Pause

You seize a living creature, and then bring it home and kill its body; you have killed only the clay.

The light of the soul passes into another form. So tell me, what have you killed?

And what good are your purifications? Why do you bother to wash your face? And why do you bother to bow your head in the mosque?

Your heart is full of hypocrisy; what good are your prayers or your pilgrimage to Mecca?

You are impure; you do not understand the Pure Lord. You do not know His Mystery.

Says Kabeer, you have missed out on paradise; your mind is set on hell.

First point to note is that halaal and bismil, does not mean kill but refers to a specific form of ritual slaughter. Put into context this is a comment on the Muslim sacrifice ritual where either a goat or a chicken is kept in the confines of the home and then ritually slaughtered as obeisance to Abraham. Kabeer is mocking the futility of this ritual and saying, that why are you doing this sacrifice just to emulate Gods asking of Abraham to kill his only son? It is a futile gesture that will not sway God. Abraham was sacrificing his son to God, however all the sacrifice in this instance has achieved is destruction of the outer shell of the chicken. The soul wont travel to God, but merely to another form. One can only understand this if one has a basic grasp of history. In this instance the person who tried to use this tukh as an anti-meat quotation was unaware of the Koranic context and had an extremely poor knowledge of Semitic history.

do u read banni word to word only ??? if yes then if u eat anything other then rice u r doing kuritti isnt it ... or kabir ji allowed cheese burgers ???

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MEAT EATERS, ONLY EAT FOR TASTE OR DO VEGETARIANS AS WELL?

The most absurd argument that has been come across is that meat eaters only eat for taste, and too satisfy their taste buds. It is a selfish desire in other words, based on Greed and Egotism. The basis of this argument falls down with the fact that Vegetarian dishes (particularly on the Indian Subcontinent), are the most varied and most tasty of all dishes. To say that a vegetarian hates every mouthful of eating an Aubergine and Potatoes Curry and a meat eater loves every mouthful of Liver is indeed the weakest of all arguments. In fact page 61 of the Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji states:

jit tan naam na bhaav-ee <admin-profanity filter activated> tan ha-umai vaad.

gur bin gi-aan na paa-ee-ai bikhi-aa doojaa saad.

bin gun kaam na aavee maa-i-aa feekaa saad.

aasaa andar jammi-aa aasaa ras kas khaa-ay.

That body which does not appreciate the Naam-that body is infested with egotism and conflict.

Without the Guru, spiritual wisdom is not obtained; other tastes are poison.

Without virtue, nothing is of any use. The taste of Maya is bland and insipid.

Through desire, people are cast into the womb and reborn. Through desire, they taste the sweet and sour flavors.

Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji

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YAWN ......... PEOPLE WILL TRY AND JUSTIFY THERE OWN WEAKNESSES HW EVER THEY CAN... BUT YOU CAN NOT DENY THE TRUTH .... EASTING MEAT AND CONSUMING DRUGS ARE BUJJER KUREHITS... IF YOU WISH TO CARRY ON DOING THIS THEN I;M SURE YOU WELL CARRY ON JUSTIFYING YORU ACTIONS WITH BOGUS SAKHIS AND OTHER NONESENSE....

GURSIKHS WHO FOUGHT IN GURU JIS TIME WOULD NOT HAVE MUNCHED ON HORSE/DONKEY/BOAR MEAT THEY WOULD HAVE CONSUMED BANI E.G 'SIREE RAAG, FIRST MEHL: I have no anxiety about dying, and no hope of living. You are the Cherisher of all beings; You keep the account of our breaths and morsels of food. You abide within the Gurmukh. As it pleases You, You decide our allotment. || 1 ||' (p20).

IF YOU HAVE A SPRITUAL WEAKNESS DO NOT TRY AND COVER IT UP JUST ADMIT YOU NEEED HELP !!

Kabir Bhaang, Machhli Surapaan Jo Jo Praanee Khahey.

Tirath, Barat, Nem Kiaye Te Sabhay Rasaatal Jahey. (pg. 1376)

Whosoever eats flesh, fish, etc. and takes wine and hemp, all his religious acts will go to waste. ( REPAT ALL RELIGOUS ACTS ARE USELESS FOR THOSE WHO FOLLWO YOUR WARPED VIEWS)

Bed Kateb Kaho Mat Jhoothhay, Jhoothhaa Jo Na Bichaarey.

Jo Sabh Meh Ek Khudal Kahat Ho,To Kio Murghi Maarey. (pg. 1350)

Do not call various religious texts false. False is one who gives no thought to their contents. If you consider God is in all, then why you slaughter the chicken (i.e., life?) ( HMM TO FILL YOUR STOMACH ??)

Jee Badhoh So Dharam Kar ThaapohAdharam Kaho Kat Bhai.

Aapas Ko Munwar Kar Thaapoh, Kaa Ko Kaho Kasaaee. (pg. 1103)

You kill animals and call it religion (Rahit); then what indeed is irreligion (Kurahit)? Even then you consider yourself as a sage of sages; then whom to call a butcher? ( DON'T TASTE SO GOOD NOW )

Kabir Jee Jo Maareh Jor Kar,Kaahtey Heh Ju Halaal.

Daftar Daee Jab Kaadh Hal, Hoegaa Kaun Havaal (pg. 1375)

Whosoever slays life by force and call it sanctified; What will be his fate when he will be called to account for it in His Court? ( NIHAN G SINGH CUT THE HEAD OFF ANIMALS WHILST RECITING BANI , THEN RITUALISTICLY PLACE DROPS OF THE DEAD ANIMALS BLOOD ON THE NISHAN SAHIB ASWELL AS THERE WEAPONS.... HMMMM )

Kabir Khoob Khaana Khichri, Ja Meh Amrit Lon.

Heraa Rotee Kaamey Galaa Kataavey Kon. (pg. 1374)

Blessed is the simple food of rice mixed with salt; Who would risk his head to be slain hereafter, for the meat one eats here? (NEED WE CARRY ON WITH THIS POST )

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MEAT EATERS, ONLY EAT FOR TASTE OR DO VEGETARIANS AS WELL?

The most absurd argument that has been come across is that meat eaters only eat for taste, and too satisfy their taste buds. It is a selfish desire in other words, based on Greed and Egotism. The basis of this argument falls down with the fact that Vegetarian dishes (particularly on the Indian Subcontinent), are the most varied and most tasty of all dishes. To say that a vegetarian hates every mouthful of eating an Aubergine and Potatoes Curry and a meat eater loves every mouthful of Liver is indeed the weakest of all arguments. In fact page 61 of the Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji states:

jit tan naam na bhaav-ee <admin-profanity filter activated> tan ha-umai vaad.

gur bin gi-aan na paa-ee-ai bikhi-aa doojaa saad.

bin gun kaam na aavee maa-i-aa feekaa saad.

aasaa andar jammi-aa aasaa ras kas khaa-ay.

That body which does not appreciate the Naam-that body is infested with egotism and conflict.

Without the Guru, spiritual wisdom is not obtained; other tastes are poison.

Without virtue, nothing is of any use. The taste of Maya is bland and insipid.

Through desire, people are cast into the womb and reborn. Through desire, they taste the sweet and sour flavors.

Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji

If people understood this they wouldn’t care about such arguments. Guru ji explains here that our desires are our entrapments which lead only to cycle of birth, death and rebirth. Staunch personality is also an illusion, an entrapment and a chain to the never ending cycle.

Live and let live.

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The point of this tread was to educate some of you but it seems to have failed. It’s not about a meat debate but to show that sikhi not just about rules and regulations it here to assist us in our ultimate goal. I feel this is too much for some people to understand and hope one day people will be able to see.

I think this tread should be closed it is not about justification about eating meat and taking drugs far from it -as I am a vegetarian, the whole point seems to have been missed. I am interested in calling over some singhs from Chardikala Jatha to do a talk at my Sikh society. So they can educate us as I believe they do have a real in-depth understanding. I will extend an invite on here if any one would like to attend but do remember they give a talk justify what this tread is about> LOL. </SPAN>

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