Understanding Meaning Of A Tuk

[besoft]

ivxu krmw hir jIau n pweIAY ibnu siqgur mnUAw n lgY ] (1098-5, mwrU, mÚ 5)

Without good karma, the Dear Lord is not found; without the True Guru, the mind is not joined to Him.

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In the above line we have reference to

1.Lord.

2.True Guru.

Are these two different? Kindly explain.

[JarnailS]

wjkk wjkf

what ever guru ji has blessed daas, this is what i feel....

Lord= Waheguru Ji (Ek- Onkaar, the creator also known as many other names)

true guru= guru ji in physical form e.g. shri guru nanak dev ji and other 9 guru sahib ji.

with the help of true guru (shri guru nanak dev ji), you get to know about the lord (waheguru ji), who sent those true gurus (in physical form) to this earth.

bhul chuk maaf karni...

wjkk wjkf

ivxu krmw hir jIau n pweIAY ibnu siqgur mnUAw n lgY ] (1098-5, mwrU, mÚ 5)

Without good karma, the Dear Lord is not found; without the True Guru, the mind is not joined to Him.

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In the above line we have reference to

1.Lord.

2.True Guru.

Are these two different? Kindly explain.

[waaheguroo]

The true guru is shabad.

Shabd guru surat dhun chela

[besoft]

The true guru is shabad.

Shabd guru surat dhun chela

guru prmysru eyko jwxu ]

gur paramaesar eaeko jaan ||

Know that the Guru and the Transcendent Lord are One.

In the context of the above what would be the meaning of this 'tuk' as it seems to be interconnected.

Thanks for helping me out.

[۹βkaur۹β]

The true guru is shabad.

Shabd guru surat dhun chela

guru prmysru eyko jwxu ]

gur paramaesar eaeko jaan ||

Know that the Guru and the Transcendent Lord are One.

In the context of the above what would be the meaning of this 'tuk' as it seems to be interconnected.

Thanks for helping me out.

i think:

without a true Guru (which we as sikhs are blessed with) nobody can find vahegurooo.

Guru jee's meaning is like a teacher..someone to show us the way

in this case...to show the way to vaahegurooo.

the tuk is saying, without good karma u wont find him...... and without gurujee, without gurujees beauiful teachings, we can JOIN with vaheguroo.

so gurujee allowes us to JOIN with vahegurooo through bani etc.this above tuk u've posted^^ yehh gurujee and vaheguroo are the same, they have the same jyot...... gurujee is like a form of vaheguroo showing us the way to merge with vaheguroo.

hope that helped, sorry if im wrong.

fateh

[waaheguroo]

No translations of Gurbani are 100% correct people relate to it according to their limited understanding.

If you can read Gurbani and understand it then you have full kirpa.

For me Gur parameshur eko jaan is Guru Nanak is one with Waheguru.

Ehu Agmu Agocru sbid suiD hovY ]

ouhu agam agochar sabadh sudhh hovai ||

He is Inaccessible and Incomprehensible; through the Shabad, understanding is obtained.

Guru Amar Daas Ji

Raag Maajh

120

Bhul chuk muaaf.

[besoft]

No translations of Gurbani are 100% correct people relate to it according to their limited understanding.

If you can read Gurbani and understand it then you have full kirpa.

For me Gur parameshur eko jaan is Guru Nanak is one with Waheguru.

Ehu Agmu Agocru sbid suiD hovY ]

ouhu agam agochar sabadh sudhh hovai ||

He is Inaccessible and Incomprehensible; through the Shabad, understanding is obtained.

Guru Amar Daas Ji

Raag Maajh

120

Bhul chuk muaaf.

'Shabad' here refers to 'Naam' or the shabad are GuruVaak i.e. Bani.? Kindly clarify.

Is our Guru Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji or the First nanak and hence the Nanaks , as , all shared common spirit.

Thanks

[waaheguroo]

The Shabad is the best Guru and guide. Many books have been written on this.

And are you asking a question or answering it?

[besoft]

The Shabad is the best Guru and guide. Many books have been written on this.

And are you asking a question or answering it?

I am surely seeking guidance.

Oh! I should have put i a question Mark.

Is 'shabad' the othername of 'Naam'.?

Is 'waheguru' Naam for us

or

Is it again something else.

Sorry, there is some diversion in the essence of the thread.

OK. I shall post my questions through some Hukimnamas.

He Himself is the Yogi, and the way throughout the ages. The Fearless Lord Himself is absorbed in Samaadhi. He Himself, all by Himself, is all-pervading; He Himself blesses us with sincere love for the Naam, the Name of the Lord. || 1 || He Himself is the lamp, and the Light pervading all the worlds. He Himself is the True Guru; He Himself churns the ocean. He Himself churns it, churning up the essence; meditating on the jewel of the Naam, sincere love comes to the surface. || 2 || O my companions, let us meet and join together, and sing His Glorious Praises. As Gurmukh, chant the Naam, and earn the profit of the Lords Name. Devotional worship of the Lord, Har, Har, has been implanted within me; it is pleasing to my mind. The Name of the Lord, Har, Har, brings a sincere love.|| 3 || He Himself is supremely wise, the greatest King. As Gurmukh, purchase the merchandise of the Naam. O Lord God, Har, Har, bless me with such a gift, that Your Glorious Virtues seem pleasing to me; Nanak is filled with sincere love and yearning for the Lord. || 4 || 4 || 10 ||

[Guest shastr]

The true guru is shabad.

Shabd guru surat dhun chela

guru prmysru eyko jwxu ]

gur paramaesar eaeko jaan ||

Know that the Guru and the Transcendent Lord are One.

In the context of the above what would be the meaning of this 'tuk' as it seems to be interconnected.

Thanks for helping me out.

i think:

without a true Guru (which we as sikhs are blessed with) nobody can find vahegurooo.

Guru jee's meaning is like a teacher..someone to show us the way

in this case...to show the way to vaahegurooo.

the tuk is saying, without good karma u wont find him...... and without gurujee, without gurujees beauiful teachings, we can JOIN with vaheguroo.

so gurujee allowes us to JOIN with vahegurooo through bani etc.this above tuk u've posted^^ yehh gurujee and vaheguroo are the same, they have the same jyot...... gurujee is like a form of vaheguroo showing us the way to merge with vaheguroo.

hope that helped, sorry if im wrong.

fateh

yeap, thats right^^^^^^^.