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Sangat Ji I have not read the above but find there are lots of banis that are Guru Nanak Dev Jis that are not included in the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji. An example is the Karninama, you read the dohra "Raj karega Khalsa Akhi Rehai Na Koi" this is from the karninama.

Other banis such as the pransangali do not feature as they focus on the topic of Yoga and other banis focus on other topics which are not in line with the teachings of the Sri Guru Granth Shaib Ji. Where as all the banis are updesh the reason they are left out are to stop sikhs from suffereing from duality. the other reason is that the guru granth sahib ji is a universal message and practices such as yoga do not appeal to all faiths.

So you are saying that some of guru nanak's teachings are not in the guru granth saheeb? Did he talk about yoga? was guru nanak for or against yoga in his other writings?

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So you are saying that some of guru nanak's teachings are not in the guru granth saheeb?

A very debatable issue !

I have not researched or looked into this with depth, but for us beginners, i think we should primarily accept Guru Maneyo Granth ''Sri Guru Granth Sahib' as the eternal shabad guru and also the writings of Guru Gobind Singh ji in dasam bani, as well as Bhai Gurdas and Bhai Nand Lals works.

Also note that Guru Arjan dev ji compiled all the pothis together as one(adi granth) and this included many works collected by Nanak ji, such as the bhagats, from what Guruji chose to include as bani on the basis of gurmat. Bearing this in mind, for example, we know that Kabir has many other works that kabirpanthis follow but are not and were never classed as bani or gurmat by Guruji and therefore were not included in Sri Guru Granth jee.

Maybe, some of the better learned members can advise a little clearer and explain where there are doubts with other works of Nanakji................

Did he talk about yoga? was guru nanak for or against yoga in his other writings?

Read Sidh Ghosht bani.( a conversation-dialogue with yogis and Guruji)

You have to read it slowly and thoroughly, because at first it can easily appear as if Guruji rejects the practice heads on. However, after careful vichaar and consideration, you should find that Guruji primarily rejects the idea of being a renunciate and hiding from society. He gives us the message that one can still be living a grihisti jeevan, but finding and connecting with the Lord from within. It doesn't matter where the yogi sits to meditate, because it is deep within the nucleus of the heart that the true yoga or Union is found.This can be done in working society as a householder.

My simple answer is NO, he is not against Yoga, but has different views on the actions of some of the yogis....no doubt !

Personally, I think that one of the most important qualities of sidh ghosht is that Guruji does not claim that they are not enlightened. He respects, talks to them without any doubts of their enlightenment.

The rest is for you to interpret and find your own personal essence from it.

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Read Sidh Ghosht bani.( a conversation-dialogue with yogis and Guruji)

You have to read it slowly and thoroughly, because at first it can easily appear as if Guruji rejects the practice heads on. However, after careful vichaar and consideration, you should find that Guruji primarily rejects the idea of being a renunciate and hiding from society. He gives us the message that one can still be living a grihisti jeevan, but finding and connecting with the Lord from within. It doesn't matter where the yogi sits to meditate, because it is deep within the nucleus of the heart that the true yoga or Union is found.This can be done in working society as a householder.

My simple answer is NO, he is not against Yoga, but has different views on the actions of some of the yogis....no doubt !

Personally, I think that one of the most important qualities of sidh ghosht is that Guruji does not claim that they are not enlightened. He respects, talks to them without any doubts of their enlightenment.

The rest is for you to interpret and find your own personal essence from it.

Yeh I love reading sidh gost makes me rethink the meaning of satguru. I don't think guru refers himself to be satguru but only referring to God as the only satguru. He also bows down to the sadhus and says I am bowing down to that one power behind you all so with that logic we can also bow down to all as long as we bow down to the one power behind all. As I was just rereading it now because if guru nanak is calling himself satguru then he sounds so egotistical like saying to the yogis you must bow down to me to get liberated. It doesn't add up.

But coming to yoga I would like to see gurus writing about yoga that are not in the guru granth.

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We are all parmeshvar at the jyot level.

Correct.

It's funny you mention that, because with reference to sidh gisht above, that is what Guru Nanakji points to as well, like you mentioned.

In the lineage of Gurus, Nanak ji was 1st and that is where the pure jyot started. Straight from God to Nanak.

Nanakji, then passed on the gurgaddi and jyot to the following lineage of Gurus.

Therefore, HE will be regarded as the God -jyot swaroop, no doubt. Bhai Gurdas ji also mentions the same.

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Correct.

It's funny you mention that, because with reference to sidh gisht above, that is what Guru Nanakji points to as well, like you mentioned.

In the lineage of Gurus, Nanak ji was 1st and that is where the pure jyot started. Straight from God to Nanak.

Nanakji, then passed on the gurgaddi and jyot to the following lineage of Gurus.

Therefore, HE will be regarded as the God -jyot swaroop, no doubt. Bhai Gurdas ji also mentions the same.

Jyot cannot be tainted as there is only pure jyot. True knowledge was there even before 1469 it has been covered in some older scriptures before guru granth saheeb. Only the presentation of how the knowledge was presented has been changed.

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Yes, pure jyot has no DNA unlike all living things in maya world.

We have the problem that we can't recognize it.

This is where we have to make the effort. You have to make the effort to be as per gurmat.....to simran.... to hear the divine anhad shabad within, because they are there in each of us, but we have made ourselves deaf to them......TRY and keep TRYING and you will discover your MOOL within. .

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