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Waheguru ji ka khalsa, Waheguru ji ki fatehh

I have came accross a post on gursikhijeevan.com by another singh and its was pretty interesting....

i thought i share it wit da sangat here....I want the sangats view on it... so wat does everyone think ?

Here is wat veerji wrote:

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa! Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh!!

Hi,

I am a non AmritDhari Sikh at the present moment. I have mentioned to a few people who are AmritDharis that I do Naam Simran. Most of them told me my Naam Simran will bear NO fruit because I have not received Naam through Punj Payarey yet and that I am better off reading Bani. But still I refuse to beleive that it bears NO fruit.

What are your thoughts on this?

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa! Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh!!

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I think I agree

yes there MIGHT be much mre fruit whhen being Amritdhari

but doesn't mean u can't remember God , your father without getting any reward fopr it

jus my cent

bhull chukk maaf

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If it will bear no fruit, then whatever i have experienced in the last 3 years from doing naam Simran is false. The proof that i have is the transformation that has taken place within me. Perhaps taking Naam from the Punj Piyaray increases the Potency of your simran, but to say that it has no fruit for an non-Amritdhari is trying to create a monopoly on Naam Simran.

You cannot Monopolize on the Path of God

Waheguru.

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What makes me laugh (sarcastic laugh, as in when one is mad) is how some think that Naam is the "jaagir" or private property of a few. There is no doubt that there is nothing better than taking Amrit. And what about those who use Amrit as a license to justify all bs they do (leaders in Punjab for example). All those who betrayed the Sikh qaum, majority were Amritdhari (correct me if i m wrong). i sincerely hope that all who are not Amritdhari do become one (including myself). But please! Gurujee taught us to be humble. If u think u took Amrit and so now u are better off than others, :@ u have reached no where and are no better than anyone who does nothing to improve his/her spiritual life rolleyes.gif .

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Most of them told me my Naam Simran will bear NO fruit because I have not received Naam through Punj Payarey yet and that I am better off reading Bani.

Isn't Naam Simran the same as reading Bani? :T: What's the difference? :T: Whether you do Naam Simran or read the Bani you're still contemplating on God, right? :T: Someone correct me if i'm wrong, as i'm not amritdhari blush.gif so don't know that much...

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Most of them told me my Naam Simran will bear NO fruit because I have not received Naam through Punj Payarey yet and that I am better off reading Bani.

Isn't Naam Simran the same as reading Bani? :T: What's the difference? :T: Whether you do Naam Simran or read the Bani you're still contemplating on God, right? :T: Someone correct me if i'm wrong, as i'm not amritdhari blush.gif so don't know that much...

A lot ask me this .. got a routine .. and reply same thing to everyone...

Ban

i is something that has the outline of guru ji.. tells us about guru ji and what to do to achieve and be one wit guru ji.

Simran is what we can do to get attached wit him.

ONe quote from bani, sukhmani sahib, simaro simar simar sukh pavo!

There are many places in bani that tell us to do simran, and only simran can help us. :@

But i also believe that not only simran, bani .. gotta be a good sikh too .. do all what guru nanak ji told us to do, including helping others, getting them to do bani with u, be more giveable. BASICALLY SEVA!

This is jsut a non-scholarly answer to ur ques... u may want to aask a more educated singh blush.gif

bhul chuk maph!

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Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa!

Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

reight bina na sikh kahavae, reight bina dar choota khavae

so, u need bani, bana, reight, everything, and of coursem simran

of course it will bear fruit, it will develop a thirst with in ureself to want to take amrit, and guru je will bless u with amrit

bhula chuka maf

Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa!

Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

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Did Bhagat Kabeer ji, or Baba Fareed Ji, get naam from the panj pyaray??

'Naam' is 'Naam' no-ordinary person can give you naam, only satguru can give you naam, as an order from Akaal purkh.

Its very wrong to say it bears no fruit, without having it from punj pyaray, that's ignorance. Bhul chuk muaf! ^_^

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Did Bhagat Kabeer ji, or Baba Fareed Ji, get naam from the panj pyaray??

'Naam' is 'Naam' no-ordinary person can give you naam, only satguru can give you naam, as an order from Akaal purkh.

Its very wrong to say it bears no fruit, without having it from punj pyaray, that's ignorance. Bhul chuk muaf! ^_^

OHH .. Daljeet ji .. u hit the target.. but im sure ppl will have a lot to say ...

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Someone once explained it to me like this....

Until you take amrit, your simran and your reciting of baani is still good. You are most definitely helping yourself, but to consider it like this:

You're saving money for years and years, and keeping it in your room. Sure, you're saving money, and that's helping, but taking amrit is like putting that money in the bank. You're getting SO MUCH MORE out of it, once it's in the bank, just as you'd be getting so much more out of simran once you're amritdhari.

I think those that say that only an amritdhari can do simran is a crackhead... honestly, go take more drugs, cuz SOMETHIGN has to clear up that misconception... that's just not right... simran will always ahve an effect on you: e.g a story:

There's this teenager in sangat. Doesn't really enjoy it, doesn't have any knowledge of punjabi/gurmukhi. He seeks the advice of an uncle that he trusts and he tells him: Uncle ji, no matter what i do, i don't understand punjabi. It just seems useless to me to be sitting inside the darbar when i can't understand what is being sung. What good is it to me? Is it even worth it for me?

The Uncle takes the kid into the kitchen area and takes a strainer. He says: "watch this beta". He turns the water on, and leaves the strainer there. 1 minute goes by... then 2.. then 3. By now the kid's wondering, like, what IS this guy doin!? so he asks the Uncle Ji "uncle, what are you doin", and the uncle replies "look at the strainer. It was dirty before, and then i put it under the water. Now look at it!" Sure enough, the strainer was sparkling clean. The Uncle continues:

"See beta, it doesn't amtter that the strainer wasn't grasping or keeping any of the water. Look, even though it was just in the presence of water, it was still being cleaned, despite the fact that it wasn't holding on to any of it! The strainer is you!! the water represents Shabad, Baani, Naam! It doesn't matter that you don't understand it, but just being in its PRESENCE, you're being washed! That is the power of Naam!"

So to say that naam has no effect.... brutally brutallly wrong

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Someone once explained it to me like this....

Until you take amrit, your simran and your reciting of baani is still good. You are most definitely helping yourself, but to consider it like this:

You're saving money for years and years, and keeping it in your room. Sure, you're saving money, and that's helping, but taking amrit is like putting that money in the bank. You're getting SO MUCH MORE out of it, once it's in the bank, just as you'd be getting so much more out of simran once you're amritdhari.

I think those that say that only an amritdhari can do simran is a crackhead... honestly, go take more drugs, cuz SOMETHIGN has to clear up that misconception... that's just not right... simran will always ahve an effect on you: e.g a story:

There's this teenager in sangat. Doesn't really enjoy it, doesn't have any knowledge of punjabi/gurmukhi. He seeks the advice of an uncle that he trusts and he tells him: Uncle ji, no matter what i do, i don't understand punjabi. It just seems useless to me to be sitting inside the darbar when i can't understand what is being sung. What good is it to me? Is it even worth it for me?

The Uncle takes the kid into the kitchen area and takes a strainer. He says: "watch this beta". He turns the water on, and leaves the strainer there. 1 minute goes by... then 2.. then 3. By now the kid's wondering, like, what IS this

guy doin!? so he asks the Uncle Ji "uncle, what are you doin", and the uncle replies "look at the strainer. It was dirty before, and then i put it under the water. Now look at it!" Sure enough, the strainer was sparkling clean. The Uncle continues: "See beta, it doesn't amtter that the strainer wasn't grasping or keeping any of the water. Look, even though it was just in the presence of water, it was still being cleaned, despite the fact that it wasn't holding on to any of it! The strainer is you!! the water represents Shabad, Baani, Naam! It doesn't matter that you don't understand it, but just being in its PRESENCE, you're being washed! That is the power of Naam!"

So to say that naam has no effect.... brutally brutallly wrong

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Did Bhagat Kabeer ji, or Baba Fareed Ji, get naam from the panj pyaray??

'Naam' is 'Naam' no-ordinary person can give you naam, only satguru can give you naam, as an order from Akaal purkh.

Its very wrong to say it bears no fruit, without having it from punj pyaray, that's ignorance. Bhul chuk muaf! ^_^

They received it from sri guru jee in the form of charan pahul.

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