Can Praying For A Deceased Soul Help That Soul?

[mann_kaum_layee_qurbaan]

if we can be saved by others, then Christianity is the best faith as Jesus saves all who believe in him.

we are judged on what we do here. it is our chance to experience God. we can do all the akahnd paths for our relatives, but the person is judged on his/her actions here. because if we were able to just pray away people's sins, how about we all pray for indira gandhi's soul and god will forgive her for her sins right?

use your logic for everything, because that si what hukam is, it is Sat, universal truth. if you believe that gurmat says you can save another's soul by praying for them after they are gone, well then, let's apply it all around and see if it holds water....

plus gurbaani says over and over that no one knows where the soul goes after death...sikhi si all about here and now. do good deeds now.

let's not interpret sikhi into another typical dogmatic unpractical faith.

peace.

[Bundha]

My final thoughts on this thread is that although Sikh is simple and straight forward but the more you get into it the more it becomes vast , deep and intricate. On one level - you come into this world alone and go out of it alone and you do your Naam Simran and it is as simple as that, as you progress you see things on a different level - we are all linked - everyone you meet , you talk to , exchange glances with , have thoughts about - are linked to you to a more or lesser extent. This jaal or net is very difficult to get out off and only Gurbani naam simran can save you.

There seems to be much confusion here. No one is saying that if you pray for someone then he/she will be ‘saved’. We could all prey for Indra Ghandi’s soul, but SHE WILL NOT BE SAVED, her karm dictate that she has done very bad things and she will have to pay for them.

But, Gurbani is very powerful and if you pray for someone – dead or alive – then gurbani will have an effect upon them, it will not ‘save’ them, it will not wash away all their sins away because Gurbani says “ayai beej apai he khawo” and this remains true, but gurbani will have a definite good effect upon them. What that effect is only AkalPurkh knows but the receiver will benefit and the par-upkari will also benefit, for this is par-upkaar and gurbani says many things about a par-upkari.

Now, if you want to ignore this and do naam / simran and keep things nice a simple there is nothing wrong in that.

[AK47 JATHA LION]

categorically NO

[Papi]

so much for

iqQY qU smrQu ijQY koie nwih ]

[mann_kaum_layee_qurbaan]

my point is that this type of thinking is why we have rooms upon rooms at darbar sahib where akhand paths are held within empty rooms with a bhai sahib reading SGGS ji and the people who pay for the akhand paaths to be done don't even bother to be there because the bhai sahib's reading will benefit them in some way?

gurbaani is an experience in my view. someone else can't experience gurbaani for you.

peace.