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i m reading ur baseless replies. ur ego is speaking and u r attacking the shardha bhavna of people here.

u r claiming to be a very aware person but u r not.

u r saying gurbani has nothing to do with animals? where is ur mind? what r u thinking of urself?

not even animals who r living beings but the non living things like stones are carried away with gurbani

if u want to challenge guru arjub dev sahib then go ahead.

aUc Apwr byAMq suAwmI kauxu jwxY gux qyry ]

ooch apaar baeanth suaamee koun jaanai gun thaerae |

O my lofty, incomparable and infinite Lord and Master, who can know Your Glorious Virtues?

gwvqy auDrih suxqy auDrih ibnsih pwp Gnyry ]

gaavathae oudharehi sunathae oudharehi binasehi paap ghanaerae |

Those who sing them are saved, and those who listen to them are saved; all their sins are erased.

psU pryq mugD kau qwry pwhn pwir auqwrY ]

pasoo paraeth mugadh ko thaarae paahan paar outhaarai |

You save the beasts, demons and fools, and even stones are carried across.

nwnk dws qyrI srxweI sdw sdw bilhwrY ]4]1]4]

naanak dhaas thaeree saranaaee sadhaa sadhaa balihaarai |4|1|4|

Slave Nanak seeks Your Sanctuary; he is forever and ever a sacrifice to You. ||4||1||4||

oh i see u also made ur own explaination over this shabad. dnt think gurbani as theory or formula, its is not like the psychological writing or the impressive writing made for deep baseless explanation.

baani is just true

siqgur kI bwxI siq siq kir jwxhu gurisKhu hir krqw Awip muhhu kFwey ]

sathigur kee baanee sath sath kar jaanahu gurasikhahu har karathaa aap muhahu kataaeae |

O GurSikhs, know that the Bani, the Word of the True Guru, is true, absolutely true. The Creator Lord Himself causes the

here guru sahib both sri guru arjun dev ji and sri guru teg bahadur sahib ji maharj gave partakh parmaan of the elephant who remembered waheguru and he was saved.

what do u think gurbani is?

u r making fun of people here like they dnt knw anything and u knw everything.

gj ko qRwsu imitE ijh ismrq qum kwhy ibsrwvau ]1]

gaj ko thraas mittiou jih simarath thum kaahae bisaraavo |1|

Remembering Him, the elephant's fear was removed; so why do you forget Him? ||1||

gjieMdR iDAwieE hir kIE moK ]

gajaeindhr dhiaaeiou har keeou mokh |

The elephant meditated on the Lord, and was saved.

u dnt believe in ghosts? and by one tuk u r trying to change the defination of ghost word in whole guru granth sahib.

as the shabad says ooch apar beant swami kaun jaaney gun tere.

u think u knw everything??? there is much more beyond ur thinking, even guru nanak said NANAK KATHNA KARDA SAAR, even guru sahib said he cant explain then what the hell u r thinking of ur self.

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pjs veer jee I dont care what you write or say but I do love your kundiya mucha haha I am working on mine might take another year and half to get them kundiya but yeh keep it up....Buraaaah...P.S. Debates are good to clear things up man no worries doing arths is fun, makes your mind strong and your mucha kundiya as well.
Wjkk Wjkf Jeo

I wonder why every other post, even as innocent as this one, ends up in a debate? and we still think we are capable of running a sikh nation?

Sorry, just couldn't control myself

Fateh jeo

Wjkk Wjkf Veer Jeo,

If you say so veer ji :)

thank you for the comment on mucha jeo :) Sabb Waheguru Ji di Mehr aa ji :)

Fateh!

Wjkk Wjkf Sunny veer jeo,

I certainly dont want to sound like im bossing around, but tussi ta seyane ho veer ji, please calm down all of you, its my humble request :) have debates by all means, but with proper protocols, please all of you be not rude to your fellow gursikhs..

Fateh!

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Bibi I have used Gurbaani as my back up to translate that tuk and what have you used other then reading translations online and copying and pasting? But I will do arths for the tuks that involve the word ghost in it because I don't want to go through every tuk and do arths, I am studying for my finals as well hehe.

ਜਿਤੁ ਦਿਨਿ ਦੇਹ ਬਿਨਸਸੀ ਤਿਤੁ ਵੇਲੈ ਕਹਸਨਿ ਪ੍ਰੇਤੁ ॥

जितु दिनि देह बिनससी तितु वेलै कहसनि प्रेतु ॥

Jiṯ ḏin ḏeh binsasī ṯiṯ velai kahsan pareṯ.

On that day when the body perishes-at that time, she becomes a ghost.

Translation above is wrong from whatever website you got it from. Guru Sahib doesn't say anywhere that there is ghost after death

Guru Ji uses the word Kahesan meaning that it is said that soul becomes bhoot after death. It doesn't mean Guru Ji believed this philosophy of ghosts Guru Ji says it is said which means Kahesan .

ਤਨ ਤੇ ਪ੍ਰਾਨ ਹੋਤ ਜਬ ਨਿਆਰੇ ਟੇਰਤ ਪ੍ਰੇਤਿ ਪੁਕਾਰਿ ॥

तन ते प्रान होत जब निआरे टेरत प्रेति पुकारि ॥

Ŧan ṯe parān hoṯ jab ni▫āre teraṯ pareṯ pukār.

When the soul is separated from the body, then they will cry out, calling you a ghost.

Calling a ghost is different from being a ghost. label is different from reality doesn't mean there is ghost. sauda baba claims to be guru doesn't mean he is guru. same way someone calling someone a ghost doesn't mean that being in ghost.

ਅੰਤਿ ਕਾਲਿ ਜੋ ਇਸਤ੍ਰੀ ਸਿਮਰੈ ਐਸੀ ਚਿੰਤਾ ਮਹਿ ਜੇ ਮਰੈ ॥

अंति कालि जो इसत्री सिमरै ऐसी चिंता महि जे मरै ॥

Anṯ kāl jo isṯarī simrai aisī cẖinṯā mėh je marai.

At the very last moment, he who thinks of women, and dies in such thoughts

first of all does it mean we can think whatever we want before and just remember Waheguru before death? does it mean being a prositute is a lifeform and not an action?there are many women that go into prostitution temporarily so that translation is not accurate. Bibi like I said I am busy with finals or I would do arths for this shabad because this shabad requires alot of time which I lack at the moment or I would've done arths of it.

gurufateh g

nahi ji. I agree with Guru Granth Sahib ji 110 percent I just disagree with your interpertation of it. Yes someone who is lost in maya is a ghost but a ghost can also be a soul who was so attached to this world that their body left but their soul stayed on this eath. It is a life form one of the lakh charasi jeune. In Gurubani many times we see a ghost refered to as a life form a soul which lives on after the body perishes

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Wjkk Wjkf Sunny veer jeo,

I certainly dont want to sound like im bossing around, but tussi ta seyane ho veer ji, please calm down all of you, its my humble request :) have debates by all means, but with proper protocols, please all of you be not rude to your fellow gursikhs..

Fateh!

veer ji i dnt usually reply in every topic but sometimes some people really make me do so. i cant take these things happening when some people totally habe no shardha and vishwas in gurbani and but i dnt care abt then but people whose love and shadha are broken like this, i care abt.

how some people are trying to change the meanings of gurbani and trying proving them a really high awastha, i dnt knw anything, i juz find tuks and pasted but the simple meaning is pretty clear.

gurbani has all the power in it to save animals birdsm bhoot pret and stones.

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I challenge Guru Arjan dev jee which is not true and evil thought of your evil mind. You don't understand Gurbani and say others are questioning Guru Arjan dev jee? Only thing being questioned is your own belief. If you think you are Guru Arjan dev jee, we can put you in same category as soda baba. However, truth is that you are challenging quote of Guru Granth Sahib Ji by saying just 1 tuk. What you mean by just one tukh? Even one letter of Gurbani is dear to sikh but no you dared to belittle whole line by saying just 1 tukh. Also, as for the quote you posted, proper aarths are done in this thread. Go through it. If English is hard to comprehend, I can posts aarths in Punjabi.

People like you don't love Gurbani, don't understand Gurbani but have ego to say others are questioning Guru Arjan dev jee. How do you know Guru Arjan dev jee is questioned? Did I say that tukh is wrong? If I didn't then why do you make junk out of frustration? Just because your narrow minded sikhitothemax, copy paste aarths are being proven wrong? So doing proper translations of Gurbani to educate others is questioning Gurbani now? Do you know what questioning means?Explanation doesn't mean question by the way. Check any dictionary It is opposite to question. Also, by making text large in quotes doesn't mean you know tukh meaning inside out.

Also,What do you mean by shardaa? What is definition of shardaa based on Gurbani?Shardaa doesn't mean faith. It means wish. Sikh doesn't need to wish anything. Guru is our everything. We don't have any wishes because we have Guru. Some people wish to see ghosts, some wish to love maaya, some wish to wait until end to remember waheguru.Gurbani says Shardaa Man Kee Poorai

clear indication that shrdaa means wish...

how a pathar will get across when pathar doesn't understand Gurbani?Gurbani says Gur Bin Mukat Na how will pathar take Guru.....will pathar have to take khanday kee pahul?sant baba have started reading Gurbani to sugar cane what is next?

Amrit and kirpaans for rocks, sugarcane, animals, etc.?

SIKH SANGAT IK BENTI HAIGI......ANYONE WHO WANTS ME TO SHOW JANTAR MANTAR OR GHOSTS(BHOOTH PRETH) PLEASE LET ME KNOW BECAUSE I WILL PROVE IT WRONG...I CHALLENGE ANY AATMA/BHOOTH/PRETH/JANTAR MANTAR TO COME MY WAY AND I WILL SHOW THEM WHAT I AM MADE OF? I AM SERIOUS SANGAT JEE I CHALLENGE MASTERS OF BHOOTH PRETHS TO SHOW ME A BHOOTH ATLEAST? If you mean bhooth preths like KPS GILL then I agree he is a bhooth.

khalsaforce

i m reading ur baseless replies. ur ego is speaking and u r attacking the shardha bhavna of people here.

u r claiming to be a very aware person but u r not.

u r saying gurbani has nothing to do with animals? where is ur mind? what r u thinking of urself?

not even animals who r living beings but the non living things like stones are carried away with gurbani

if u want to challenge guru arjub dev sahib then go ahead.

aUc Apwr byAMq suAwmI kauxu jwxY gux qyry ]

ooch apaar baeanth suaamee koun jaanai gun thaerae |

O my lofty, incomparable and infinite Lord and Master, who can know Your Glorious Virtues?

gwvqy auDrih suxqy auDrih ibnsih pwp Gnyry ]

gaavathae oudharehi sunathae oudharehi binasehi paap ghanaerae |

Those who sing them are saved, and those who listen to them are saved; all their sins are erased.

psU pryq mugD kau qwry pwhn pwir auqwrY ]

pasoo paraeth mugadh ko thaarae paahan paar outhaarai |

You save the beasts, demons and fools, and even stones are carried across.

nwnk dws qyrI srxweI sdw sdw bilhwrY ]4]1]4]

naanak dhaas thaeree saranaaee sadhaa sadhaa balihaarai |4|1|4|

Slave Nanak seeks Your Sanctuary; he is forever and ever a sacrifice to You. ||4||1||4||

oh i see u also made ur own explaination over this shabad. dnt think gurbani as theory or formula, its is not like the psychological writing or the impressive writing made for deep baseless explanation.

baani is just true

siqgur kI bwxI siq siq kir jwxhu gurisKhu hir krqw Awip muhhu kFwey ]

sathigur kee baanee sath sath kar jaanahu gurasikhahu har karathaa aap muhahu kataaeae |

O GurSikhs, know that the Bani, the Word of the True Guru, is true, absolutely true. The Creator Lord Himself causes the

here guru sahib both sri guru arjun dev ji and sri guru teg bahadur sahib ji maharj gave partakh parmaan of the elephant who remembered waheguru and he was saved.

what do u think gurbani is?

u r making fun of people here like they dnt knw anything and u knw everything.

gj ko qRwsu imitE ijh ismrq qum kwhy ibsrwvau ]1]

gaj ko thraas mittiou jih simarath thum kaahae bisaraavo |1|

Remembering Him, the elephant's fear was removed; so why do you forget Him? ||1||

gjieMdR iDAwieE hir kIE moK ]

gajaeindhr dhiaaeiou har keeou mokh |

The elephant meditated on the Lord, and was saved.

u dnt believe in ghosts? and by one tuk u r trying to change the defination of ghost word in whole guru granth sahib.

as the shabad says ooch apar beant swami kaun jaaney gun tere.

u think u knw everything??? there is much more beyond ur thinking, even guru nanak said NANAK KATHNA KARDA SAAR, even guru sahib said he cant explain then what the hell u r thinking of ur self.

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i ddnt said u challenged but said i u want to challenge after reading the elephant tuks then do it. can u explain what does guru sahib mean by elephanhts there? ya u can create ur own definition for that. by 1 tuk i mean that there are not same meanings of every word in guru granth sahib. there are more than one meanings of each word which are different in different tuks.

ya my english sux

i am not here to show off my english skills

and the text which is large are not my words, its the gurbani, whatever i said i all small text....

u cannot shake people like this and ur own created gurbani meanings

ya i use sttm for providing the gurbani tuks because i cannot write them, and translation is posted for those who cannot read gurbani, and it doesnt mean that i have a wireless connection of my computer with my mind and when i think ant something and it shows me the related gurbani tuks. i only posted those tuks i knew. so i people use sttm then it doesnt mean that they never knew anything.

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gaj ko thraas mittiou jih simarath thum kaahae bisaraavo |1|

guj = kaamee birtee = sexual desire

traas = dukh = pain (mahan kosh)

mitteyo = removed

jeh Simrat = by remembering whom

tum kaahay bsraavao = why do you forget such Lord?

By remembring whom pain of sexual desire is removed. why do you forget such Lord Almighty?

Bal Shutkeo Bandan Pray Kashoo Na Hoat Upaaye

Strength is lost and bondage is placed. there is nothing that can be achieved

Kaho Nanak Ab Oat Har Guj Jeo Hoh Sahaaye

Ab = now

Oat = protection

Har = Waheguru

Guj = kaam

Jeo = being

Kaho Nanak Ab Oat Har Guj Jeo Hoh Sahaaye

Now, Oh Lord! Grant me protecton from kaam by being merciful.

i ddnt said u challenged but said i u want to challenge after reading the elephant tuks then do it. can u explain what does guru sahib mean by elephanhts there? ya u can create ur own definition for that. by 1 tuk i mean that there are not same meanings of every word in guru granth sahib. there are more than one meanings of each word which are different in different tuks.

ya my english sux

i am not here to show off my english skills

and the text which is large are not my words, its the gurbani, whatever i said i all small text....

u cannot shake people like this and ur own created gurbani meanings

ya i use sttm for providing the gurbani tuks because i cannot write them, and translation is posted for those who cannot read gurbani, and it doesnt mean that i have a wireless connection of my computer with my mind and when i think ant something and it shows me the related gurbani tuks. i only posted those tuks i knew. so i people use sttm then it doesnt mean that they never knew anything.

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veer its going somewhere its going towards right direction just read each post you will know....why close this topic?no one slandered anyone, non one is messing with panthic issues just doing veechar on gurbaani.

WJKK WJKF, can I request mods to please close this thread? Its going nowhere.
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Lets talk about Akaal Purakhs limits.... can god make a mountain which he can't even lift?....about that bull holding the earth?you are wrong science didnt prove that... GURU NANAK DEV JEE MAHARAJ proved it wrong. Guru Nanak dev jee said earth is standing on bull then what is bull standing on?science just gave evidence nothing else.

of course universe is much bigger than we can see because universe is huge not because we can't see it. so if there is ghost we must be able to see it unless you mean ghost = people stuck in maaya e.g. k p gill, p k badal.

how can animal feel bliss?????????????

bliss comes from Gurbani by understanding it... how animals or plants follow Guru's teachings perfectly?

Sevak Sikh Poojan Sabh Aavhe Gaavhe Har Har Outam Baanee

Gaaveaa Sunneaa Tin Kaa Thaae Paavai Jin Satgur Kee Aageaa Sat Sat Kar Maanee

Follower Sikhs all come to worship and sing glorious praises of the lord

only that person's singing and hearing is fruitful, the one who follows commands of Guru by accepting them as truthful

how will animal know what gurbani is?what guru is?what dharam is?what rehat is? even punjabis have trouble understanding Gurbani forget about the animals.

this topic should explain that gurbaani is only for humans, just for humans.

also g i did not give the wrong meaning of the tukh keeree clearly means ant . and i am not trying to spred bharam ppl IM AN 18 YR OLD GIRL JUST TRYING TO LEARN ABOUT SIKH Y WUD I TRY TO SPREAD DOUBT IVE GOT BETTER THINGS TOO DO

there is no need for doubts

anyone can do simran and get the answer as to whether their out ghosts

with simran all that is hidden or gupt becomes pargat and we can see the whole world

just because u dont see them or find them logical doesnt mean they arent their

read the post about Sikhi and science and u will see that there are so many things ppl in the time wud have found ridicoulous but they have been proven to b true

in the oldern days the ppl who believed a bull held the earth wud have thought it ridicoulus that there are galaxies beyond ours but now science proved it correct

the same way u may find it crazy that their are ghosts but in this world we cant dismiss anything

the universe is so muchh bigger than what our eyes can see

and God can make anything happen y r u limiting God u r merely his creation n u are limiting him

like a poster marked before even animals can meditate on God

now i can write on and on but a picture is worth a thousand words so look at this picture g i will send itin the next post

heres the picture

so can animals feel blisssss??????????

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