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In Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, Guru Ji told us to sing shabads in particular types of raags, because it will add to the feeling (emotional Effect) that the bani wants the soul to feel. There is 31 Raags used in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji. We hear raags very raraely in gurdwaras as it is a hard art for people to learn to perform raags. However just in the same way shaster vidiya is dying out within Sikhi so are raags. We need to revive both of them quick as possible as they are both a hukam from Guru ji.

Download Shabads Performed in these raags they are mind blowing:

http://www.gurmatveechar.org/audio/keertan...p?q=f&f=/Pr

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In Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, Guru Ji told us to sing shabads in particular types of raags, because it will add to the feeling (emotional Effect) that the bani wants the soul to feel. There is 31 Raags used in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji. We hear raags very raraely in gurdwaras as it is a hard art for people to learn to perform raags. However just in the same way shaster vidiya is dying out within Sikhi so are raags. We need to revive both of them quick as possible as they are both a hukam from Guru ji.

Download Shabads Performed in these raags they are mind blowing:

http://www.gurmatveechar.org/audio/keertan...p?q=f&f=/Pr

Very good topic. This is what I feel about raag kirtan. In gurbani, Satguru jee has told sikhs to SING gurbani with tukks like " charre divas gurbani GAAVai..." and "gurbani GAVAHU bhaii...). So, singing gurbani without raags is not wrong. If a rehitvaan sikh with loads of naam kamayee does kirtan without raags, that kirtan can change the life of people. At the same time, raag kirtan has a special place in sikhi as well. It takes lots of years to get trained in raags and good raagi singhs who keep good rehit should be respected and taken care off by the panth.

Regarding shastar vidyaa, it is MUST for every sikh( bibis, young kids...) to have some basic knowedge of gatka, some desi karattee and ideally shud also know how to shoot a gun. SHASTARS ARE GOD. Without shastars, there is NO RAAJ(shastran ke adheen hai raaj) and without raaj, dharam(gursikhi) cannot prosper(raaj bina nahin dharam chalai hai, dharam bina sab dalai malai hain).

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lol Maharaj wrote everything in RAAG apart from Japji Sahib

so everything in Gurbaanee is hukam right

really weird aint it hw we pick and choose what hukams we wanna follow....if u dont sing kirtan in raag??ur ignoring gurbani

cos bilaval mahala 5 is gurbani....the word bilaval is ur sabad guroo...the word is there for a reason...bt yeah we knw more then maharaj so we can ignore it....(that was sarcasm btw)

and as for raag being hard to learn

of course it is...but it is as important as santhiya and shastar vidiya

and gursikhs should be skilled in all fields

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lol Maharaj wrote everything in RAAG apart from Japji Sahib

so everything in Gurbaanee is hukam right

really weird aint it hw we pick and choose what hukams we wanna follow....if u dont sing kirtan in raag??ur ignoring gurbani

cos bilaval mahala 5 is gurbani....the word bilaval is ur sabad guroo...the word is there for a reason...bt yeah we knw more then maharaj so we can ignore it....(that was sarcasm btw)

and as for raag being hard to learn

of course it is...but it is as important as santhiya and shastar vidiya

and gursikhs should be skilled in all fields

what about when u read gurbani, scinse ur just reading bilaval mahala 5 and then reading the bani are u going against hukkam because you havent sung it in raag??? All the mahapurkhs who did kirtan and not in raag are u saying all of them were doing manmat??

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lol Maharaj wrote everything in RAAG apart from Japji Sahib

so everything in Gurbaanee is hukam right

really weird aint it hw we pick and choose what hukams we wanna follow....if u dont sing kirtan in raag??ur ignoring gurbani

cos bilaval mahala 5 is gurbani....the word bilaval is ur sabad guroo...the word is there for a reason...bt yeah we knw more then maharaj so we can ignore it....(that was sarcasm btw)

and as for raag being hard to learn

of course it is...but it is as important as santhiya and shastar vidiya

and gursikhs should be skilled in all fields

what about when u read gurbani, scinse ur just reading bilaval mahala 5 and then reading the bani are u going against hukkam because you havent sung it in raag??? All the mahapurkhs who did kirtan and not in raag are u saying all of them were doing manmat??

Veer jee why are you trying to mix the maryada of kirtan and paath? they are totally different and have different rules.

For example a shlok or pauri in kirtan is a complete shabad. When doing paath or taking a hukamnama the all the shloks and then finally the pauri would complete the shabad. In kirtan you can give udharana from other shabads even though the complete shabad is not given (simply one or 2 lines) however when doing paath you cant give udharana. Kirtan starts with 4 baag also known as shabad chounki, paath does not.

In Sri Raag Guru maharaj before the shabad makes it clear how to pronounce mehla pehla. Rather than having the pehla written as an ikha (1) the word phela is actually written out. The Reason for this was to show Sikhs how the numbers should be pronounced. Sometimes I think that guru maharaj knew there would be people like me trying to change maryada. In gurbani there are also examples where guru maharaj is telling us that these raags have not been put into gurbani for the fun of it, rather these raags must be sung accordin to maryada.

Kar naad Bilawal Raag, har utam har prabh gavia.

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with raags, it is al about hukam.

the thing about raags come into alot of things. the majority being keertan, which from this, branches questions regarding AKJs and other stuff.

when i say it is al about hukam i mean it is a way (a very good way) in doing the hukam from god. raag is musical. in sggs it says raag naad subh such hai keemat kehi na jai. i.e. the whole vibe/ resonance of what raag give is ALL true, and its pricelessness cannot be said cannot be said.

there is another tuk which stipulates: raagae naadae baahra, ini hukam na boojia jai. --> things that are out of raag (i.e. MUSIC) dont booj the hukam, (i.e. dont do the hukam from god therefore dont lisen to music!) so this also says bout the raags and about the vibe or naad.

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now id like to look at somthing (im not going to say the opposite because it is not opposite)

also throughout bani it says about the attributes of god few from dasan bani are..

raagang na roopang na rekhang; des aur na bhes jaakar roop nekh na raag; raag na roop na rekh na rang na saakh na sorg na sang tihaare.....etc.....

so if we are trying to dissolve in this ultimate god then all these things (raag, even akhar) WILL hole us back. y? becus there comes a point where you need to let go of everything and just go on the vibration of the lord.(string theory!! :-D) because it will hold us back from merging with god it becomes moh and people start to say woh sik raag tune!!

koeI gwvY rwgI nwdI bydI bhu Bwiq kir nhI hir hir BIjY rwm rwjy ]

koee gaavai raagee naadhee baedhee bahu bhaath kar nehee har har bheejai raam raajae ||

Some sing of the Lord, through musical Ragas and the sound current of the Naad, through the Vedas, and in so many ways. (>>>>>>>>>>>>But the Lord, Har, Har, is not pleased by these, O Lord King.<<<<<<<<<<<)

i think this bit is wrong because 'nehi har har beejai raam rai' to me means they have not 'beejed' the naam in their hirda. so i think it should read the loRd is not pleased if you do all the raag thing and you dont vuj the naam in your hirda. (but not exactly in those words!)

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in the end raag is like akhar (the letters that make language to understand the depths to whatever depth can be understood) it is inspirational and helps 'new' ppl (as well as everyone else) in understanding what the ultimate entity is.

i would like to leave with a shabad that i found in searching bout the raag stuff.

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<> siqgur pRswid ]

ik oa(n)kaar sathigur prasaadh ||

One Universal Creator God. By The Grace Of The True Guru:

isrIrwg kI vwr mhlw 4 slokw nwil ]

sireeraag kee vaar mehalaa 4 salokaa naal ||

Vaar Of Siree Raag, Fourth Mehla, With Saloks:

slok mÚ 3 ]

salok ma 3 ||

Salok, Third Mehla:

rwgw ivic sRIrwgu hY jy sic Dry ipAwru ]

raagaa vich sreeraag hai jae sach dhharae piaar ||

Among the ragas, Siree Raag is the best, if it inspires you to enshrine love for the True Lord.

sdw hir scu min vsY inhcl miq Apwru ]

sadhaa har sach man vasai nihachal math apaar ||

The True Lord comes to abide forever in the mind, and your understanding becomes steady and unequalled.

rqnu Amolku pwieAw gur kw sbdu bIcwru ]

rathan amolak paaeiaa gur kaa sabadh beechaar ||

The priceless jewel is obtained, by contemplating the Word of the Guru's Shabad.

ijhvw scI mnu scw scw srIr Akwru ]

jihavaa sachee man sachaa sachaa sareer akaar ||

The tongue becomes true, the mind becomes true, and the body becomes true as well.

nwnk scY siqguir syivAY sdw scu vwpwru ]1]

naanak sachai sathigur saeviai sadhaa sach vaapaar ||1||

O Nanak, forever true are the dealings of those who serve the True Guru. ||1||

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so to me this means through raag you get to understand some depth bout waheguru shabad.

so from the above shabad, 1st

1. do raag

2. you get haria (or 'high') from the raag

3. you then have the means to do the shabad

(because you aint doing the shabad if you r just saing it for show/ superficially)

4. then you truely do the shabad

5. then >>>OH MUN HARIA HOA!!

;-D

bhul chuk kima

hum rulte firte

:homer

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lol Maharaj wrote everything in RAAG apart from Japji Sahib

so everything in Gurbaanee is hukam right

really weird aint it hw we pick and choose what hukams we wanna follow....if u dont sing kirtan in raag??ur ignoring gurbani

cos bilaval mahala 5 is gurbani....the word bilaval is ur sabad guroo...the word is there for a reason...bt yeah we knw more then maharaj so we can ignore it....(that was sarcasm btw)

and as for raag being hard to learn

of course it is...but it is as important as santhiya and shastar vidiya

and gursikhs should be skilled in all fields

what about when u read gurbani, scinse ur just reading bilaval mahala 5 and then reading the bani are u going against hukkam because you havent sung it in raag??? All the mahapurkhs who did kirtan and not in raag are u saying all of them were doing manmat??

Veer jee why are you trying to mix the maryada of kirtan and paath? they are totally different and have different rules.

For example a shlok or pauri in kirtan is a complete shabad. When doing paath or taking a hukamnama the all the shloks and then finally the pauri would complete the shabad. In kirtan you can give udharana from other shabads even though the complete shabad is not given (simply one or 2 lines) however when doing paath you cant give udharana. Kirtan starts with 4 baag also known as shabad chounki, paath does not.

In Sri Raag Guru maharaj before the shabad makes it clear how to pronounce mehla pehla. Rather than having the pehla written as an ikha (1) the word phela is actually written out. The Reason for this was to show Sikhs how the numbers should be pronounced. Sometimes I think that guru maharaj knew there would be people like me trying to change maryada. In gurbani there are also examples where guru maharaj is telling us that these raags have not been put into gurbani for the fun of it, rather these raags must be sung accordin to maryada.

Kar naad Bilawal Raag, har utam har prabh gavia.

firstly i am not trying to mix the maryada i was simply trying to give a example to the person who posted that if u dont sing in raag u will not get the full emotion and blessing of the bani, and my question STILL is if i dont sing it in raag i wont get the full emotion etc. then how will i get the full emotion while reading bani? secondly i still pose the question to u what about mahapurkhs like Bhai Sahib Bhai Randhir Singh Ji who didnt do kirtan in raag? Are u sayin they went against hukkam? Although i know alot of people who are Hardcore ONLY raag, say things like "oh thai avai cheeka mardai ai"..mind u i am not against raag in anyway...i myself do kirtaan in raag on occation and also play dilruba

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raag is a just another WAY given to us to how to booj the hukam of god.

lets try not to get into ... this is ryt and this is wrong. its ALL right.

LOOK. in doinjg raag keertan there are components..

i mean, you sing in sur, keep the taal, keep the raag, and sing the shabad/ keep your place in the shabad.

u no, as you increase your avasta, slowly slowly each one of these including raag and akhar and everything breaks down.

by this i mean this>>>

>>>when you r singin, you start to feel the naad of the raag and shabad. then it WILL be like a teer (arrow) in your heart. then you will go into viraag mode. then your raag and sur will go out of the window and the taal, and everything else that exists. then all you will go on is the naam. and the vibration of naam will be your universe.

so since this is what happens, its ovious that raag is just a way in which you attain that. you can get that teer in your heart through reading bani. so there are many WAYS in 'beejing' (immersing) into naam.. i.e. raag isnt the only way..

oh mun haria hoa! :)

p.s. i only talk from experience

gurfateh.

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