Alert! Slander Of Dasam Bani And Taksal!

[singh_bling]

no1 is saying guru granth sahib ji maharaaj wasnt given gur gaddi. we are sayin sri guru dasam granth sahib ji is the bani of dasmeh paatshah and is also the roop of maharaaj that is why upmost respect is given at the same level as sri guru granth sahib ji.. bani guru guru hai bani...

[PSD]

No one is questioning the Gurta Guddi of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji (SGGSJ). All nihang dal, smapardas and jathe (KHALSA PANTH) say that Gurta Guddi was giving to Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji Maharaj.

At the 300 saalla at Sach Khand Sri Hazoor Sahib, 300 years of SGGSJ was celebrated by the VAST MAJORITY of the PANTH, which obvouisly included all the nihang dals and taksals (where parkash of Sri Dasam Granth Sahib takes place). note Sri Dasam Granth Sahib parkash takes place at Sach Khand Sri Hazoor Sahib too. If gurta guddi was directly to Sri Dasam Grath, then the celebrations o would of been done for gurta guddi of sri dasam granth ji.

Regarding the Dashmesh Darbar at Baba Sang Gurdwara: if you look at the photos closely, you will find that the parkash of SGGSJ was done higher the Sri Dasam Granth Ji. So regarding this event, there should be no arguments about the parkash. If this is a mis-observation, then please correct me.

Had people went to the programme or watched online, then none of these debates about parkash and gur guddi would take place. Everything was answered at the programme.

As we all should and do accept the hukam that SGGSJ is our eternal Guru, then me must accept the hukam of our eternal Guru. If we did this, then there would be no doubt about doing parkash of Sri Dasam Granth and Sri Sarbloh Granth. If we accpeted the hukam of SGGSJ then we would realise that, to read bani of the saroop of Sri Dasam Granth Ji and/or Sri Sarbloh Granth, parkash of these MUST be done. otherwise who could anyone read the bani from either Sri Dasam Granth and Sri Sarbloh Granth. if parkash if Dasam Granth Ji and Sarbloh Granth is against gurmat, the please give a protocol on how to do "parkash" if saroops of of both dasam and sarbloh granth?

Many of us have been been kirtan programme (house programmes etc) where parkash has not been done of SGGSJ. After the ardas, hukamnama was taken of Amrit Kirtan. Amrit Kiran contains dasam bani aswell. Therefore a hukamnama of dasam bani can come up and be taken. if this is is against gurmat, then do comment.

at the end of the day Maharah has said, Bana Guru Guru Hai Bani. Many people in the past have questioned Sri Guru Granth Sahib (ie the bani) in the past. Doubting and questioning the authority and authenticy of Bani can never be accpeted by any Sikh

[singhni wannabe]

no1 is saying guru granth sahib ji maharaaj wasnt given gur gaddi. we are sayin sri guru dasam granth sahib ji is the bani of dasmeh paatshah and is also the roop of maharaaj that is why upmost respect is given at the same level as sri guru granth sahib ji.. bani guru guru hai bani...

so then the same respect should be given to your gutka sahib?

so you should do praksah and sukhasan of your gutka sahib?

if there is no difference between dasam granth and guru granth sahib what was the need for guru sahib to give gur gaddi to guru granth sahib? that made no difference according to you? the passing of gur gaddi to guru granth sahib doesmt meant nything?

[Akritghan]

no1 is saying guru granth sahib ji maharaaj wasnt given gur gaddi. we are sayin sri guru dasam granth sahib ji is the bani of dasmeh paatshah and is also the roop of maharaaj that is why upmost respect is given at the same level as sri guru granth sahib ji.. bani guru guru hai bani...

so then the same respect should be given to your gutka sahib?

so you should do praksah and sukhasan of your gutka sahib?

if there is no difference between dasam granth and guru granth sahib what was the need for guru sahib to give gur gaddi to guru granth sahib? that made no difference according to you? the passing of gur gaddi to guru granth sahib doesmt meant nything?

if someone does parkash of their gutka sahib with so much prem-whats wrong with that??

[singhni wannabe]

no1 is saying guru granth sahib ji maharaaj wasnt given gur gaddi. we are sayin sri guru dasam granth sahib ji is the bani of dasmeh paatshah and is also the roop of maharaaj that is why upmost respect is given at the same level as sri guru granth sahib ji.. bani guru guru hai bani...

so then the same respect should be given to your gutka sahib?

so you should do praksah and sukhasan of your gutka sahib?

if there is no difference between dasam granth and guru granth sahib what was the need for guru sahib to give gur gaddi to guru granth sahib? that made no difference according to you? the passing of gur gaddi to guru granth sahib doesmt meant nything?

if someone does parkash of their gutka sahib with so much prem-whats wrong with that??

haha not IF, they MUST, according to your beliefs. it would be compulsory.

[akal sahai]

no1 is saying guru granth sahib ji maharaaj wasnt given gur gaddi. we are sayin sri guru dasam granth sahib ji is the bani of dasmeh paatshah and is also the roop of maharaaj that is why upmost respect is given at the same level as sri guru granth sahib ji.. bani guru guru hai bani...

so then the same respect should be given to your gutka sahib?

so you should do praksah and sukhasan of your gutka sahib?

if there is no difference between dasam granth and guru granth sahib what was the need for guru sahib to give gur gaddi to guru granth sahib? that made no difference according to you? the passing of gur gaddi to guru granth sahib doesmt meant nything?

if someone does parkash of their gutka sahib with so much prem-whats wrong with that??

haha not IF, they MUST, according to your beliefs. it would be compulsory.

lol someone has lost the plot, next we are gonna say we cant keep gutkeh sahibs by guru ji because guru ji was given the gadi... do you know how silly you sound

why is this hard to understand-

bwxI gurU gurU hY bwxI ivic bwxI AMimRqu swry ]

baanee guroo guroo hai baanee vich baanee a(n)mrith saarae ||

The Word, the Bani is Guru, and Guru is the Bani. Within the Bani, the Ambrosial Nectar is contained.

i think the real people arguing about praksah of dasam granth are the people who dont believe in akali guru gobind singh jee's bani..... have you forgot what banee's where recited when you took amrit, and if you havent taken amrit, have you really got an arguement

[SevaSimranSacrifice]

OR

How much bani do each one of us actually do? I wanted to also write something because have to admit I was getting annoyed at some people's comments......but then thought.............wait a minute...........how much bani do i actually do? Why would i argue about parkash of Sri Dasam Bani or Guru Granth Sahib Ji maharaj when I myself do not do as much bani as I should be. Someone earlier made a point when a man asked Sant Maskeen Singh about Sri Dasam Bani, he asked have you read from Sri Dasam Bani? Have we all? I haven't read it all...why would I discuss blindly? I do get people's opinions, but no-one seems to be listening to each other so its not really a great discussion...its just an argument!!

Basically STOP ARGUEING!! Start building on your knowledge AND your divine knowledge.....KNOWLEDGE IS POWER!

Maybe the mature sangat can get together and talk about it if needed away from the internet forum! Its just creating KRODH (i definately felt it). Nip it in the bud now and just close the topic - just my opinion!

Lol, EKTA...like when will that happen!! Can you believe we are fighting with each other....each other...............

[Aparadhee]

if sangat wants to discuss such topics then do it while acting like mature adults.

article below gives a nice calm insight to the arguement put forward by the likes of singhni wannabe,

>>>>>

http://www.sikhism101.com/node/267

Can Dasam Granth be installed parallel to Guru Granth Sahib Ji?

A Sikh journalist recently wrote an article which highlighted the rule written in the Panthic Rehat Maryada that no other book is allowed to be installed parallel to Guru Granth Sahib Ji. However, the author of that article justified Dasam Granth being Parkaash (installed) next to Guru Granth Sahib Ji at Takht Sri Hazoor Sahib and Takht Sri Patna Sahib by the fact that a 'Takht' is different to a Gurdwara. The author goes on to argue that the Sikh Rehat Maryada only applies to gurdwaras and not Takhats and hints that Dasam Granth needs to be installed next to Guru Granth Sahib Ji (in a slightly smaller canopy) in order to infuse the warrior spirit and balance the Saint-Warrior aspect. A response to this topic is below:

STATUS OF DASAM GRANTH

The Sri Akaal Takht in its recent Hukamnama (edict) has made it clear that the Dasam Granth has an integral position and status in Gurmat. Sri Akal Thakht has concluded any debate on Dasam Granth with a suitable response.

BIR RASS & DASAM GRANTH

Some argue or subtly suggest that the Granth with the warrior spirit is the Dasam Granth. In the recent debate on Dasam Granth, many said that it is the Dasam Granth that brings Bir Rass in the Khalsa. This does not make sense and is misleading. Indeed, the Dasam Granth has many amazing banis which are unquestionable and inspire Bir Rass in Gursikhs, but it not correct to assume that without Dasam Granth, Sikhs will not have warrior spirit.

We need to recognise the Bir Rass was present in Sikhi before the Dasam Granth was revealed by Guru Sahib. Guru Nanak Dev Ji had the virtue of spirit when he called Babur by the name Zabur (evil tyrant). The sixth guru, Guru Hargobind Sahib Ji revealed Miri–Piri and successfully won four battles. Not just our Guru Sahibaan, but great Gursikhs such as Bhai Biddhi Chand ji had Bir rass blessed upon them. So this quality has been present from the beginning.

NAAM HAS EVERY VIRTUE

Throughout time to present, anyone who has given his/her head to the Guru has been blessed with Naam. Those who sincerely japp naam 24/7 find that negative emotions within them get significantly reduced, and replaced by positive virtues. In some Gursikhs, they are blessed with more humility, others more sehaj, others more wisdom, and others more Bir rass, and many more of every virtue. The power of naam has no limits.

SRI GURU GRANTH SAHIB JI IS COMPLETE & PERFECT IN EVERY WAY

As Sikhs we need to be careful. Quite often in our “shardaa” (devotion) for one thing, we may inadvertently and unintentionally question the supremacy of another. It is important to consider things with foresight and balance. This may be the case of Dasam Granth and Satguru Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji. Some Sikhs, not all, in their “sharda” for promoting the Dasam Granth in the face of questioning of it by anti-Dasam Granth lobby, have confused this promotion of Dasam Granth with the many issues of parallel parkaash (installation). As such two very different issues have become meshed into one.

We have to realise that Satguru Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji is perfect is every manner. It is perfectly complete, with every virtue in it including Bir Rass.

Our father, Guru Gobind Singh Ji, who was also complete and perfect in every way, made the choice himself in his own perfect wisdom to not include his banis in the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji. We accept his perfect wisdom, even though many of us in our limited wisdom may wonder why his banis are not in there. But we must accept that even without these banis Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji has the complete message for humanity for all time.

ISSUES WITH THE PARALLEL PARKAASH AND TWO HUKAMNAMAS

Almost every Gurdwara in the Panth recognises the supreme authority of Satguru Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji. Only a handful of gurdwaras have parallel parkaash of Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji, Dasam Granth and the not often mentioned Sarbloh Granth. It is the belief of one or two groups that the Guru is only complete when these three Granths are together. They have propagated this belief, and are especially propagating it within the minds of new Sikh youth who lack knowledge of Panjabi, history, Panthik norms and Gurbani to a degree where they can challenge it with reasoned debate.

For those who believe in parallel parkaash and take two hukamnamas (edicts) at the end of a divaan after Ardaas, is not the hukammana from solely Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji enough?

As Sikhs we need to consider how this “shardaa” (devotion) is indirectly challenging the supremacy of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji. The bani of the Dasam Granth is in our Nitnem (daily prayer), Ardaas, Amrit sanchaar, keertan, etc. It has a highly virtuous place in the Panth. Some may say it is revered above the Vaars of Bhai Gurdas ji, and the rehitnamas of Bhai Nand lal ji, others say it is equivalent with them to enhance the core message within Satguru Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji. Either way, its status is will always remain integral in the Sikh faith without a doubt.

But to place Dasam Granth on par with Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, and then state the Guru is only complete with both Dasam granth and Sarbloh Granth is incorrect and blasphemous. Surely then we humans are introducing something which Guru Gobind Singh Ji did not. Further before elevating the Sarbloh Granth to such a high level, Sikhs need to do considerably more research into it.

CONCLUSION

* Bir Rass and the concept of Sant-Siphai (Saint-Warrior) is essential in Sikhi. While Dasam Granth enhances this within, it is incorrect to suggest the Satguru Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji does not. Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji promotes Naam, which has every virtue in it.

* The Dasam Granth is integral to Sikhi, as confirmed by the Sri Akaal Takht Sahib.

* Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji is perfect & complete in every manner, as blessed to us by our Guru Sahibaan. We do not need to introduce via our own “shardaa” other Granths in a delusion that the Guru is only complete with them. This is a direct challenge to the completeness and sovereignty of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji.

* Equally the hukamnama from Guru ji is complete, and there is no need for two hukamanams based upon parallel parkaash. In fact, if only everyone in the Panth lovingly followed just the hukamnama from Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji, we would have a completely different Panth that is more Guru-oriented, spiritual, and united.

http://www.sikhism101.com/node/267

[khalsaland]

if sangat wants to discuss such topics then do it while acting like mature adults.

article below gives a nice calm insight to the arguement put forward by the likes of singhni wannabe,

>>>>>

http://www.sikhism101.com/node/267

Can Dasam Granth be installed parallel to Guru Granth Sahib Ji?

A Sikh journalist recently wrote an article which highlighted the rule written in the Panthic Rehat Maryada that no other book is allowed to be installed parallel to Guru Granth Sahib Ji. However, the author of that article justified Dasam Granth being Parkaash (installed) next to Guru Granth Sahib Ji at Takht Sri Hazoor Sahib and Takht Sri Patna Sahib by the fact that a 'Takht' is different to a Gurdwara. The author goes on to argue that the Sikh Rehat Maryada only applies to gurdwaras and not Takhats and hints that Dasam Granth needs to be installed next to Guru Granth Sahib Ji (in a slightly smaller canopy) in order to infuse the warrior spirit and balance the Saint-Warrior aspect. A response to this topic is below:

STATUS OF DASAM GRANTH

The Sri Akaal Takht in its recent Hukamnama (edict) has made it clear that the Dasam Granth has an integral position and status in Gurmat. Sri Akal Thakht has concluded any debate on Dasam Granth with a suitable response.

BIR RASS & DASAM GRANTH

Some argue or subtly suggest that the Granth with the warrior spirit is the Dasam Granth. In the recent debate on Dasam Granth, many said that it is the Dasam Granth that brings Bir Rass in the Khalsa. This does not make sense and is misleading. Indeed, the Dasam Granth has many amazing banis which are unquestionable and inspire Bir Rass in Gursikhs, but it not correct to assume that without Dasam Granth, Sikhs will not have warrior spirit.

We need to recognise the Bir Rass was present in Sikhi before the Dasam Granth was revealed by Guru Sahib. Guru Nanak Dev Ji had the virtue of spirit when he called Babur by the name Zabur (evil tyrant). The sixth guru, Guru Hargobind Sahib Ji revealed Miri–Piri and successfully won four battles. Not just our Guru Sahibaan, but great Gursikhs such as Bhai Biddhi Chand ji had Bir rass blessed upon them. So this quality has been present from the beginning.

NAAM HAS EVERY VIRTUE

Throughout time to present, anyone who has given his/her head to the Guru has been blessed with Naam. Those who sincerely japp naam 24/7 find that negative emotions within them get significantly reduced, and replaced by positive virtues. In some Gursikhs, they are blessed with more humility, others more sehaj, others more wisdom, and others more Bir rass, and many more of every virtue. The power of naam has no limits.

SRI GURU GRANTH SAHIB JI IS COMPLETE & PERFECT IN EVERY WAY

As Sikhs we need to be careful. Quite often in our “shardaa” (devotion) for one thing, we may inadvertently and unintentionally question the supremacy of another. It is important to consider things with foresight and balance. This may be the case of Dasam Granth and Satguru Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji. Some Sikhs, not all, in their “sharda” for promoting the Dasam Granth in the face of questioning of it by anti-Dasam Granth lobby, have confused this promotion of Dasam Granth with the many issues of parallel parkaash (installation). As such two very different issues have become meshed into one.

We have to realise that Satguru Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji is perfect is every manner. It is perfectly complete, with every virtue in it including Bir Rass.

Our father, Guru Gobind Singh Ji, who was also complete and perfect in every way, made the choice himself in his own perfect wisdom to not include his banis in the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji. We accept his perfect wisdom, even though many of us in our limited wisdom may wonder why his banis are not in there. But we must accept that even without these banis Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji has the complete message for humanity for all time.

ISSUES WITH THE PARALLEL PARKAASH AND TWO HUKAMNAMAS

Almost every Gurdwara in the Panth recognises the supreme authority of Satguru Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji. Only a handful of gurdwaras have parallel parkaash of Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji, Dasam Granth and the not often mentioned Sarbloh Granth. It is the belief of one or two groups that the Guru is only complete when these three Granths are together. They have propagated this belief, and are especially propagating it within the minds of new Sikh youth who lack knowledge of Panjabi, history, Panthik norms and Gurbani to a degree where they can challenge it with reasoned debate.

For those who believe in parallel parkaash and take two hukamnamas (edicts) at the end of a divaan after Ardaas, is not the hukammana from solely Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji enough?

As Sikhs we need to consider how this “shardaa” (devotion) is indirectly challenging the supremacy of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji. The bani of the Dasam Granth is in our Nitnem (daily prayer), Ardaas, Amrit sanchaar, keertan, etc. It has a highly virtuous place in the Panth. Some may say it is revered above the Vaars of Bhai Gurdas ji, and the rehitnamas of Bhai Nand lal ji, others say it is equivalent with them to enhance the core message within Satguru Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji. Either way, its status is will always remain integral in the Sikh faith without a doubt.

But to place Dasam Granth on par with Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, and then state the Guru is only complete with both Dasam granth and Sarbloh Granth is incorrect and blasphemous. Surely then we humans are introducing something which Guru Gobind Singh Ji did not. Further before elevating the Sarbloh Granth to such a high level, Sikhs need to do considerably more research into it.

CONCLUSION

* Bir Rass and the concept of Sant-Siphai (Saint-Warrior) is essential in Sikhi. While Dasam Granth enhances this within, it is incorrect to suggest the Satguru Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji does not. Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji promotes Naam, which has every virtue in it.

* The Dasam Granth is integral to Sikhi, as confirmed by the Sri Akaal Takht Sahib.

* Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji is perfect & complete in every manner, as blessed to us by our Guru Sahibaan. We do not need to introduce via our own “shardaa” other Granths in a delusion that the Guru is only complete with them. This is a direct challenge to the completeness and sovereignty of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji.

* Equally the hukamnama from Guru ji is complete, and there is no need for two hukamanams based upon parallel parkaash. In fact, if only everyone in the Panth lovingly followed just the hukamnama from Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji, we would have a completely different Panth that is more Guru-oriented, spiritual, and united.

http://www.sikhism101.com/node/267

The above article has failed miserably to understand the essence of the original writeup it is referring to.

Especially when it claims that "The author goes on to argue that the Sikh Rehat Maryada only applies to gurdwaras and not Takhats"

The original article does not argue that Sikh Rehat Maryada only applies to gurdwaras and not Takhats.

Here the original article

http://www.patshahi10.org/index.php?option...h&Itemid=63

Parkash of Sri Dasam Granth is a non-issue and had never been an issue throughout Sikh history (Read John Malcolm's account of maryada of Gurmatta that he witnessed in Amritsar in early 1800s)......Only the detractors would come up with such issues and excuses...

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