*** Bir Ras Darbar & Rehansbhai Kirtan *** Celebrating The Khalsa War Festival "hola Mahalla"

[Matheen]

s50, Sant Gurbachan Singh Ji Khalsa has explained the reasons for these things in their book and also in katha. To be honest, I think your story is made up.

[jodhaa]

At the time of Akhand Paath Sahib & Keertan/Katha Programs the following things are seen to be placed by Guru Sahib or around the Darbar:

1) Water

2) Red cloth

3) Coconut

4) Incense (dhoop)

5) Jot

6) Basket of flour

Where did this tradition come from? The truth is that while we have become Sikhs, the ways and traditions of the Brahmins have followed us.

One Sikh told us that at one place there was recitation of Ramayan going on and he saw that just like at an Akhand Paath Sahib, there was a water in a pot, topped with a coconut covered in red cloth. The pot of water was placed in a utensil filled with flour. There was also a jot and incense burning.

We asked the Pandit why all these things were placed during the time for Hindu Puja. The Pandit told us that the meaning of these things is that while doing Ramayan Paath, we are also worshiping 6 gods (devtas) together:

1) Unn Devta (god of grain)-worshipped by placing flour

2) Basantar Devta (god of fire) –worshipped by the jot

3) Devi (the Goddess)-worshipped with the red cloth

4) Ganesha-worshipped with the coconut

5) Pavan Devta (god of air)-worshipped with the dhoop (incense)

6) Rama-worshipped with the recitation of the Ramayana

By doing this, the Pandit said, 6 gods are worshipped all at once.

Now, let us reflect; we worshippers of Akaal who is without form and found everywhere but at the same time we are stuck in this manmat.

Dashmesh jee has said, "jub eh gahai bipran kee reet. Mai(n) naa(n) karo(n) in kee parteet". Meaning, "when they (the Khalsa) go the way of the Brahmins, I will no longer put my trust in them"

When reading Bani, we should not have any sham rituals. After preparing Karah Parshad and doing Ardaas to Akaal Purakh, we should begin to fire at our mind with arrows of Bani so it can no longer run anywhere.

Yes, if there is an amrit sinchaar to be held, then water in a pot should be kept with the purpose that when the Amrit is prepared, the water can then be used.

Sangat Jee please have a deep think about these rituals they have no link to nothing just a waste of energy.

Fateh Ji

I was at the program and it was a real nice event which showed the upmost respect to the living guru of the sikhs "shabad guru", yes the guru was showered with gifts of love and affection not just by the organisers!!!

s50 as for your points here is my opinion from what i saw.....

1) Water - ??? there was some rose water which is added to the flowers which are then showered on to Guru Ji and the shastars when singh arti arta gurbani, its is used to fragrance the flowers and keep them fresh

2) Red cloth - I didnt see any red cloth, i saw plenty of blue cloth banas lol

3) Coconut - As per Nihang maryada bhog is done on coconuts as we do with degh kara prasad, prasad can be any offering of food i.e. fruits, nuts etc, ive seen people offer bottles of ribena and orange juice it is just blessed food

4) Incense (dhoop) - It is the YE OLD perfume and a sign of respect

5) Jot - It is to put focus on Guru Ji and Guru Ji only and a sign of respect

6) Basket of flour - ??? I Didnt see this basket of flour, anyways sangat always give offerings of flour, daals etc to gurdwaras, nothing ritualistic its used for langar

s50 - As for reading hindu scriptures that ios the biggest and most stupid thing i have heard in a very long time, the singhs organising the program would most defo slap up anybody they saw doing that so iam very sure this did not happen

[s50]

thank you for your sensible replies,

please state to me and other people who might confused as to wear gurbanee states these practices relating to Naam.

I did not mean to say these singhs wear reading hindu scriptures in any way neither do i wish to insult any of the singhs that is just silly.

my aim was to see how and why are these rituals related to naam/gurbanee

the rituals done are well known and practiced in the hindu dharam

look forward to hearing your reply

[jodhaa]

thank you for your sensible replies,

please state to me and other people who might confused as to wear gurbanee states these practices relating to Naam.

Are you trying to tell me we should not offer food, money, flowers and our time to our guru sahib and gurdwaras????

Ok you tell me, where does it say we should wrap our gutke or Guru Sahib using a ramala???? it is all to do with saradaa and pyar

As fr hindu rituals, they do fereh around the fire we do fereh around Guru Sahib should we also stop doing that????

[s50]

There's no point of touching these little things we know the answers anyway like ramaleh, maya etc.

So by doing such rituals related strongly to the hindu dharam does it get ones Naam going?

Satguru Jee says the following

srb Drm mih sRyst Drmu ]

sarab dharam mehi sraesatt dharam |

Of all religions, the best religion

hir ko nwmu jip inrml krmu ]

har ko naam jap niramal karam |

is to chant the Name of the Lord and maintain pure conduct.

sgl ik®Aw mih aUqm ikirAw ]

sagal kiraaa mehi ootham kiriaa |

Of all religious rituals, the most sublime ritual

swDsMig durmiq mlu ihirAw ]

saadhasang dhuramath mal hiriaa |

is to erase the filth of the dirty mind in the Company of the Holy.

sgl audm mih audmu Blw ]

sagal oudham mehi oudham bhalaa |

Of all efforts, the best effort

hir kw nwmu jphu jIA sdw ]

har kaa naam japahu jeea sadhaa |

is to chant the Name of the Lord in the heart, forever.

sgl bwnI mih AMimRq bwnI ]

sagal baanee mehi anmrith baanee |

Of all speech, the most ambrosial speech

hir ko jsu suin rsn bKwnI ]

har ko jas sun rasan bakhaanee |

is to hear the Lord's Praise and chant it with the tongue.

sgl Qwn qy Ehu aUqm Qwnu ]

sagal thaan thae ouhu ootham thaan |

Of all places, the most sublime place,

nwnk ijh Git vsY hir nwmu ]8]3]

naanak jih ghatt vasai har naam |8|3|

O Nanak, is that heart in which the Name of the Lord abides.

Is this devotional worship?

If by doing these rituals one things it is devotional then that is not the right thinking

Satguru Jee says

suix mn mMin vswie qUM Awpy Awie imlY myry BweI ]

sun man mann vasaae thoon aapae aae milai maerae bhaaee |

Listen, O mortal: enshrine His Name within your mind; He shall come to meet with you, O my Sibling of Destiny.

Anidnu scI Bgiq kir scY icqu lweI ]1]

anadhin sachee bhagath kar sachai chith laaee |1|

Night and day, center your consciousness on true devotional worship of the True Lord. ||1||

eyko nwmu iDAwie qUM suKu pwvih myry BweI ]

eaeko naam dhiaae thoon sukh paavehi maerae bhaaee |

Meditate on the One Naam, and you shall find peace, O my Siblings of Destiny.

haumY dUjw dUir kir vfI vifAweI ]1] rhwau ]

houmai dhoojaa dhoor kar vaddee vaddiaaee |1| rehaao |

Eradicate egotism and duality, and your glory shall be glorious. ||1||Pause||

iesu BgqI no suir nr muin jn locdy ivxu siqgur pweI n jwie ]

eis bhagathee no sur nar mun jan lochadhae vin sathigur paaee n jaae |

The angels, humans and silent sages long for this devotional worship, but without the True Guru, it cannot be attained.

pMifq pVdy joiqkI iqn bUJ n pwie ]2]

panddith parradhae jothikee thin boojh n paae |2|

The Pandits, the religious scholars, and the astrologers read their books, but they do not understand. ||2||

AwpY QY sBu riKEnu ikCu khxu n jweI ]

aapai thai sabh rakhioun kish kehan n jaaee |

He Himself keeps all in His Hand; nothing else can be said.

Awpy dyie su pweIAY guir bUJ buJweI ]3]

aapae dhaee s paaeeai gur boojh bujhaaee |3|

Whatever He gives, is received. The Guru has imparted this understanding to me. ||3||

jIA jMq siB iqs dy sBnw kw soeI ]

jeea janth sabh this dhae sabhanaa kaa soee |

All beings and creatures are His; He belongs to all.

mMdw iks no AwKIAY jy dUjw hoeI ]4]

mandhaa kis no aakheeai jae dhoojaa hoee |4|

So who can we call bad, since there is no other? ||4||

ieko hukmu vrqdw eykw isir kwrw ]

eiko hukam varathadhaa eaekaa sir kaaraa |

The Command of the One Lord is pervading throughout; duty to the One Lord is upon the heads of all.

Awip BvwlI idqIAnu AMqir loBu ivkwrw ]5]

aap bhavaalee dhitheean anthar lobh vikaaraa |5|

He Himself has led them astray, and placed greed and corruption within their hearts. ||5||

iek Awpy gurmuiK kIiqAnu bUJin vIcwrw ]

eik aapae guramukh keethian boojhan veechaaraa |

He has sanctified those few Gurmukhs who understand Him, and reflect upon Him.

Bgiq BI Enw no bKsIAnu AMqir BMfwrw ]6]

bhagath bhee ounaa no bakhaseean anthar bhanddaaraa |6|

He grants devotional worship to them, and within them is the treasure. ||6||

igAwnIAw no sBu scu hY scu soJI hoeI ]

giaaneeaa no sabh sach hai sach sojhee hoee |

The spiritual teachers know nothing but the Truth; they obtain true understanding.

Eie Bulwey iksY dy n Buln@I scu jwxin soeI ]7]

oue bhulaaeae kisai dhae n bhulanaee sach jaanan soee |7|

They are led astray by Him, but they do not go astray, because they know the True Lord. ||7||

Gr mih pMc vrqdy pMcy vIcwrI ]

ghar mehi panch varathadhae panchae veechaaree |

Within the homes of their bodies, the five passions are pervading, but here, the five are well-behaved.

nwnk ibnu siqgur vis n Awvn@I nwim haumY mwrI ]8]5]27]

naanak bin sathigur vas n aavanaee naam houmai maaree |8|5|27|

O Nanak, without the True Guru, they are not overcome; through the Naam, the ego is conquered. ||8||5||27||

Controlling the 5 Evils can only be doe via Naam Japna, Reading/Listening To Banee, Sangat, Rehat

This is my last post

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[SaRpAnCh]

Nobodys replied to the post I done, about the coconut being against what Akal Thakt says - maryada wise, it is prohibited the breaking a placing of coconuts ,placing of picthers ,lanterns and any other scripture or book beside SGGS ji is prohibited.

I don't see how people can justify it when our supreme authority says it is wrong to do what is being done at these darbars

[jodhaa]

There's no point of touching these little things we know the answers anyway like ramaleh, maya etc.

So by doing such rituals related strongly to the hindu dharam does it get ones Naam going?

Satguru Jee says the following

srb Drm mih sRyst Drmu ]

sarab dharam mehi sraesatt dharam |

Of all religions, the best religion

hir ko nwmu jip inrml krmu ]

har ko naam jap niramal karam |

is to chant the Name of the Lord and maintain pure conduct.

sgl ik®Aw mih aUqm ikirAw ]

sagal kiraaa mehi ootham kiriaa |

Of all religious rituals, the most sublime ritual

swDsMig durmiq mlu ihirAw ]

saadhasang dhuramath mal hiriaa |

is to erase the filth of the dirty mind in the Company of the Holy.

sgl audm mih audmu Blw ]

sagal oudham mehi oudham bhalaa |

Of all efforts, the best effort

hir kw nwmu jphu jIA sdw ]

har kaa naam japahu jeea sadhaa |

is to chant the Name of the Lord in the heart, forever.

sgl bwnI mih AMimRq bwnI ]

sagal baanee mehi anmrith baanee |

Of all speech, the most ambrosial speech

hir ko jsu suin rsn bKwnI ]

har ko jas sun rasan bakhaanee |

is to hear the Lord's Praise and chant it with the tongue.

sgl Qwn qy Ehu aUqm Qwnu ]

sagal thaan thae ouhu ootham thaan |

Of all places, the most sublime place,

nwnk ijh Git vsY hir nwmu ]8]3]

naanak jih ghatt vasai har naam |8|3|

O Nanak, is that heart in which the Name of the Lord abides.

Is this devotional worship?

If by doing these rituals one things it is devotional then that is not the right thinking

Satguru Jee says

suix mn mMin vswie qUM Awpy Awie imlY myry BweI ]

sun man mann vasaae thoon aapae aae milai maerae bhaaee |

Listen, O mortal: enshrine His Name within your mind; He shall come to meet with you, O my Sibling of Destiny.

Anidnu scI Bgiq kir scY icqu lweI ]1]

anadhin sachee bhagath kar sachai chith laaee |1|

Night and day, center your consciousness on true devotional worship of the True Lord. ||1||

eyko nwmu iDAwie qUM suKu pwvih myry BweI ]

eaeko naam dhiaae thoon sukh paavehi maerae bhaaee |

Meditate on the One Naam, and you shall find peace, O my Siblings of Destiny.

haumY dUjw dUir kir vfI vifAweI ]1] rhwau ]

houmai dhoojaa dhoor kar vaddee vaddiaaee |1| rehaao |

Eradicate egotism and duality, and your glory shall be glorious. ||1||Pause||

iesu BgqI no suir nr muin jn locdy ivxu siqgur pweI n jwie ]

eis bhagathee no sur nar mun jan lochadhae vin sathigur paaee n jaae |

The angels, humans and silent sages long for this devotional worship, but without the True Guru, it cannot be attained.

pMifq pVdy joiqkI iqn bUJ n pwie ]2]

panddith parradhae jothikee thin boojh n paae |2|

The Pandits, the religious scholars, and the astrologers read their books, but they do not understand. ||2||

AwpY QY sBu riKEnu ikCu khxu n jweI ]

aapai thai sabh rakhioun kish kehan n jaaee |

He Himself keeps all in His Hand; nothing else can be said.

Awpy dyie su pweIAY guir bUJ buJweI ]3]

aapae dhaee s paaeeai gur boojh bujhaaee |3|

Whatever He gives, is received. The Guru has imparted this understanding to me. ||3||

jIA jMq siB iqs dy sBnw kw soeI ]

jeea janth sabh this dhae sabhanaa kaa soee |

All beings and creatures are His; He belongs to all.

mMdw iks no AwKIAY jy dUjw hoeI ]4]

mandhaa kis no aakheeai jae dhoojaa hoee |4|

So who can we call bad, since there is no other? ||4||

ieko hukmu vrqdw eykw isir kwrw ]

eiko hukam varathadhaa eaekaa sir kaaraa |

The Command of the One Lord is pervading throughout; duty to the One Lord is upon the heads of all.

Awip BvwlI idqIAnu AMqir loBu ivkwrw ]5]

aap bhavaalee dhitheean anthar lobh vikaaraa |5|

He Himself has led them astray, and placed greed and corruption within their hearts. ||5||

iek Awpy gurmuiK kIiqAnu bUJin vIcwrw ]

eik aapae guramukh keethian boojhan veechaaraa |

He has sanctified those few Gurmukhs who understand Him, and reflect upon Him.

Bgiq BI Enw no bKsIAnu AMqir BMfwrw ]6]

bhagath bhee ounaa no bakhaseean anthar bhanddaaraa |6|

He grants devotional worship to them, and within them is the treasure. ||6||

igAwnIAw no sBu scu hY scu soJI hoeI ]

giaaneeaa no sabh sach hai sach sojhee hoee |

The spiritual teachers know nothing but the Truth; they obtain true understanding.

Eie Bulwey iksY dy n Buln@I scu jwxin soeI ]7]

oue bhulaaeae kisai dhae n bhulanaee sach jaanan soee |7|

They are led astray by Him, but they do not go astray, because they know the True Lord. ||7||

Gr mih pMc vrqdy pMcy vIcwrI ]

ghar mehi panch varathadhae panchae veechaaree |

Within the homes of their bodies, the five passions are pervading, but here, the five are well-behaved.

nwnk ibnu siqgur vis n Awvn@I nwim haumY mwrI ]8]5]27]

naanak bin sathigur vas n aavanaee naam houmai maaree |8|5|27|

O Nanak, without the True Guru, they are not overcome; through the Naam, the ego is conquered. ||8||5||27||

Controlling the 5 Evils can only be doe via Naam Japna, Reading/Listening To Banee, Sangat, Rehat

This is my last post

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Fateh Ji

s50 - Let me break this down in kiddy language for you

Red cloth - We dont use red cloth if you want red cloth go to a mandir (I AND ANYONE I ASKED DID NOT SEE RED CLOTH)

Water - We cant live without

Coconut - Just like any other food offering people make at the gurdwara, any food can be blessed by guru sahib not just degh

Incense - Is YE OLD perfume, give snice fragrance in darbar sahib

Jyot - Is a light just like a light bulb

Basket of flour - You should have taken it home and made roti (I AND ANYONE I ASKED DID NOT SEE BASKET OF FLOUR)

Love and respect s50 thanks for wasting my time

Akaaaaaaal Hi Akaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaal

[Harsimrat Singh]

There's no point of touching these little things we know the answers anyway like ramaleh, maya etc.

So by doing such rituals related strongly to the hindu dharam does it get ones Naam going?

Satguru Jee says the following

srb Drm mih sRyst Drmu ]

sarab dharam mehi sraesatt dharam |

Of all religions, the best religion

hir ko nwmu jip inrml krmu ]

har ko naam jap niramal karam |

is to chant the Name of the Lord and maintain pure conduct.

sgl ik®Aw mih aUqm ikirAw ]

sagal kiraaa mehi ootham kiriaa |

Of all religious rituals, the most sublime ritual

swDsMig durmiq mlu ihirAw ]

saadhasang dhuramath mal hiriaa |

is to erase the filth of the dirty mind in the Company of the Holy.

sgl audm mih audmu Blw ]

sagal oudham mehi oudham bhalaa |

Of all efforts, the best effort

hir kw nwmu jphu jIA sdw ]

har kaa naam japahu jeea sadhaa |

is to chant the Name of the Lord in the heart, forever.

sgl bwnI mih AMimRq bwnI ]

sagal baanee mehi anmrith baanee |

Of all speech, the most ambrosial speech

hir ko jsu suin rsn bKwnI ]

har ko jas sun rasan bakhaanee |

is to hear the Lord's Praise and chant it with the tongue.

sgl Qwn qy Ehu aUqm Qwnu ]

sagal thaan thae ouhu ootham thaan |

Of all places, the most sublime place,

nwnk ijh Git vsY hir nwmu ]8]3]

naanak jih ghatt vasai har naam |8|3|

O Nanak, is that heart in which the Name of the Lord abides.

Is this devotional worship?

If by doing these rituals one things it is devotional then that is not the right thinking

Satguru Jee says

suix mn mMin vswie qUM Awpy Awie imlY myry BweI ]

sun man mann vasaae thoon aapae aae milai maerae bhaaee |

Listen, O mortal: enshrine His Name within your mind; He shall come to meet with you, O my Sibling of Destiny.

Anidnu scI Bgiq kir scY icqu lweI ]1]

anadhin sachee bhagath kar sachai chith laaee |1|

Night and day, center your consciousness on true devotional worship of the True Lord. ||1||

eyko nwmu iDAwie qUM suKu pwvih myry BweI ]

eaeko naam dhiaae thoon sukh paavehi maerae bhaaee |

Meditate on the One Naam, and you shall find peace, O my Siblings of Destiny.

haumY dUjw dUir kir vfI vifAweI ]1] rhwau ]

houmai dhoojaa dhoor kar vaddee vaddiaaee |1| rehaao |

Eradicate egotism and duality, and your glory shall be glorious. ||1||Pause||

iesu BgqI no suir nr muin jn locdy ivxu siqgur pweI n jwie ]

eis bhagathee no sur nar mun jan lochadhae vin sathigur paaee n jaae |

The angels, humans and silent sages long for this devotional worship, but without the True Guru, it cannot be attained.

pMifq pVdy joiqkI iqn bUJ n pwie ]2]

panddith parradhae jothikee thin boojh n paae |2|

The Pandits, the religious scholars, and the astrologers read their books, but they do not understand. ||2||

AwpY QY sBu riKEnu ikCu khxu n jweI ]

aapai thai sabh rakhioun kish kehan n jaaee |

He Himself keeps all in His Hand; nothing else can be said.

Awpy dyie su pweIAY guir bUJ buJweI ]3]

aapae dhaee s paaeeai gur boojh bujhaaee |3|

Whatever He gives, is received. The Guru has imparted this understanding to me. ||3||

jIA jMq siB iqs dy sBnw kw soeI ]

jeea janth sabh this dhae sabhanaa kaa soee |

All beings and creatures are His; He belongs to all.

mMdw iks no AwKIAY jy dUjw hoeI ]4]

mandhaa kis no aakheeai jae dhoojaa hoee |4|

So who can we call bad, since there is no other? ||4||

ieko hukmu vrqdw eykw isir kwrw ]

eiko hukam varathadhaa eaekaa sir kaaraa |

The Command of the One Lord is pervading throughout; duty to the One Lord is upon the heads of all.

Awip BvwlI idqIAnu AMqir loBu ivkwrw ]5]

aap bhavaalee dhitheean anthar lobh vikaaraa |5|

He Himself has led them astray, and placed greed and corruption within their hearts. ||5||

iek Awpy gurmuiK kIiqAnu bUJin vIcwrw ]

eik aapae guramukh keethian boojhan veechaaraa |

He has sanctified those few Gurmukhs who understand Him, and reflect upon Him.

Bgiq BI Enw no bKsIAnu AMqir BMfwrw ]6]

bhagath bhee ounaa no bakhaseean anthar bhanddaaraa |6|

He grants devotional worship to them, and within them is the treasure. ||6||

igAwnIAw no sBu scu hY scu soJI hoeI ]

giaaneeaa no sabh sach hai sach sojhee hoee |

The spiritual teachers know nothing but the Truth; they obtain true understanding.

Eie Bulwey iksY dy n Buln@I scu jwxin soeI ]7]

oue bhulaaeae kisai dhae n bhulanaee sach jaanan soee |7|

They are led astray by Him, but they do not go astray, because they know the True Lord. ||7||

Gr mih pMc vrqdy pMcy vIcwrI ]

ghar mehi panch varathadhae panchae veechaaree |

Within the homes of their bodies, the five passions are pervading, but here, the five are well-behaved.

nwnk ibnu siqgur vis n Awvn@I nwim haumY mwrI ]8]5]27]

naanak bin sathigur vas n aavanaee naam houmai maaree |8|5|27|

O Nanak, without the True Guru, they are not overcome; through the Naam, the ego is conquered. ||8||5||27||

Controlling the 5 Evils can only be doe via Naam Japna, Reading/Listening To Banee, Sangat, Rehat

This is my last post

VJKKVJKF

Fateh Ji

s50 - Let me break this down in kiddy language for you

Red cloth - We dont use red cloth if you want red cloth go to a mandir (I AND ANYONE I ASKED DID NOT SEE RED CLOTH)

Water - We cant live without

Coconut - Just like any other food offering people make at the gurdwara, any food can be blessed by guru sahib not just degh

Incense - Is YE OLD perfume, give snice fragrance in darbar sahib

Jyot - Is a light just like a light bulb

Basket of flour - You should have taken it home and made roti (I AND ANYONE I ASKED DID NOT SEE BASKET OF FLOUR)

Love and respect s50 thanks for wasting my time

Akaaaaaaal Hi Akaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaal

i agree with jodhaa ji, nothing wrong with water lol, i didn't see any red cloth, i have no view on coconut jhatka, i don't know what you are talking about flour, it's atta used to make langhar lol in case you didn't know, and the rest are just for pyaar of Satguru Maharaj! i really don't see what so epeople are trying these days...

[akalifaujan]

LOL :homer

The haterz really need to get a life, i mean get a hobbie, or even get a job instead of disrespecting Puratan Khalsa maryade, i mean by disrespecting DHUUTH you are commiting major paap which is now on your head.

There are many sakhis in the khalsa history which shows Dhuuth to be very important which you do not deserve to know!

But i will say this, did you know Shamsher Pita Niley Korey Vale Maharaaj, Chitiyan Vaja Valey Satguru Parmeshwar roop Dhan Dhan Satguru Gobind Singh Ji Maharaaj used to do Dhuuth to his KES!!!!!! Dhuuth to his Shastar!!!, the list go's on but i dont give a damn if you don't believe that as Dhuuth is an Pavitar scent which purifies the air and makes pavitar Souls, shaheed Singhs, Sants, devtey, avataars etc attend that place where Maryada is being practised!

I dont think half the youth here understand who Dasam Pita was, what he stood for or most importanly have not understood Gurbaani, by posting shabads you are not backing up your case, i can post many Shabads to back up my case but its down to one's own personnel understanding of what maharaaj is saying to them.

Gur Bar Akaal

[Gurmat Sangeet]

s50 please answer this, how is Sri Satguru Gobind Singh Ji relating his act of placing a coconut and 5coins in front Sri Satguru Granth Sahib Ji at the gurgaddi ceremony in Nanded related to naam? Guru Ji could have placed a mango, why a coconut. People shud get a life!!!!