Beadbi Wolverhampton Gurdwara

[FiveRivers]

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh

As a former pupil of Mr Dhillon I feel it necessary to come to his support. Mr Dhillon has been an integral part of educating our youth, guiding them on the Sikh path of equality, justice and self knowledge for decades. Indeed if wasn't for him and a few others giving up their spare time, our community would have fallen by the wayside and our children ignorant to their own culture. Neither is he a religious zealot or uses dogma to 'force' students to think as he does, for that in his eyes, would be brainwashing and not true belief. I applauded him for encouraging such debate as should Sikhs eat meat and did Baba Deep Singh continue fighting after being decapitated or was the story written from a metaphorical sense referring to his unflinching spiritual belief? For they keep Sikhism alive, a religion of the future and not of the past.

As for the other accusations levelled against him regarding him being as 'Anti Sikh' I consider these to be totally laughable and pure poppycock stopping nothing short of calling him a Nazi. Never did I hear Mr Dhillon refer to politics in any of our lessons or to sway us in any conceivable way.

So Wolves Singh, before you try to destroy the reputation of one of the most decent and upstanding members of our community, I would ask you to think a little harder before putting finger to keyboard, in fact, as you can see your post has added fuel to the fire of the meat eating debate rather than garner the mob rule support you were after.

Kind Regards FiveRivers

[FiveRivers]

Having spoken to certain people about this issue, it appears that they may be right about this mr Dhillon. It was great to hear that some of the youths actually stood up and stopped the assembly. Mr Dhillon has also commented on the past in assemblies that Baba Deep Singh never actually had his head cut off in battle and that he didnt fight with his head in his hand. So yeah, the commitee there should do something about this now. He was requested in the past to stop doing assemblies and concentrate on the admin side of things with the school, which he is really good at - that has to be mentioned. But I am sure there are others out there who would do that role just as good if not better.

On a side note, whoever sent me the threatening e-mail should be ashamed of themselves. You want to get your point accross, thats fine but trying to threaten and scare people off is not on.

Dear SikhRoots

Please refer to my earlier post.

Kind Regards FiveRivers

[SikhRoots]

Just to correct you on a few points...

"if wasn't for him and a few others giving up their spare time"

Teachers etc at GNG Sedgley Street are paid employees. It's a tough job so its fair that they do get funding.

I applauded him for encouraging such debate

I think you should be ashamed of yourself. Encouraging such controversial and heated discussion / debates amongst young kids at such an age is ridiculous. There is no question of Baba Deep Singh Jee continuing to fight headless in the battlefield. And scientifically, the diet of a good vegetarian is MUCH better than that of any meat diet - both physically and spiritually.

accusations levelled against him regarding him being as 'anti Sikh'

Well, yeah I wouldn't say he is anti-sikh either, he just shares the mentality like that of many other Punjabi folks who keep the most basic and loose rehat they can and their studies into the Sikh faith don't go deep enough. Theres a lot of scholars out there who study the religion for knowledge rather than for its spritiuality.

Being a master of education to young children who will be our next generation of Khalsa is a VERY tough role to fulfill and one that comes with great responsibility. Mr Dhillon has done a good job of running that Punjabi school and probably done more for that school than any predocessor. But you can't hide these issues under the carpet either. And people come on SikhSangat for support, that right. Because the forum has a good network and there are a lot of people who are very proactive in issues like this that would help do something about it.

[FiveRivers]

Dear SikhRoot

Thank you for your reply. Please let me point out that you are not 'correcting me on a few point's.' You are merely airing your view. Which, from my previous post you may realize, I thoroughly encourage.

Mr Dhillon and his staff may well be paid employee's of the of the GNC Sedgley Street however I'm sure that this is not the driving factor in their vocation, more a sense of duty. Also that this has not always been the case and the Sikh school system was actually set up by volunteers of which Mr Dhillon was one when he taught me.

As for your aversion to children not being involved in debate I will refer you to the question that all children ask 'WHY?' If we are not to ask question of life how are we to understand it? Which brings me to your statement 'there is no question of Baba Deep Singh Ji continuing to fight headless on the battlefield.' The historical accounts of this are open to interpretation, therefore as a free thinking human being I shall, as you have, come to my own conclusion. Also as a strict vegetarian I completely agree with you on all counts and would like to add that it is far more eco friendly.

I'm glad you have pointed out the good work that Mr Dhillon and his staff carry out and long may it continue. The knowledge and experience of good teachers, no matter what sort of school they are from, has influenced the greatest of human endevour. I am certain that Mr Dhillon and the staff at GNC Sedgley Street shall continue in this noble tradition.

Finally I would like to support you in condeming any threats made against your person. These people should to take a good look at themselves and ask why they do not post in public. I would also ask them to do the right thing and send a full apology.

Kind Regards FiveRivers

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[SikhRoots]

Well the question you have to ask is it is such a sense of duty, would they continue to do the job they are doing if that pay was taken away from them?? I dont think majority of them would - and I am not saying that I would blame them, as its not an easy job at all.

And in terms of kids asking "Why?" - kids are too young to understand these issues. Kids should be enjoying their childhood and learning the basics of Sikhi from the time of Guru Nanak Dev Jee - not be taught that Sikhs are always internally bickering about whether we can eat meat or not or which meats we can eat according to SGPC and so forth.

The punjabi school there is not a "forum" environment where questions and discussions take place actively between children and teachers. Its a school. Kids are taught. They absorb everything they are taught by their teacher. If it was a community forum, then that would be different because in a forum you would understand that you are listening to peoples opinions rather than definitive facts. If i was a parent and one of my kids were in that class, I would have certainly took action against the teacher. That's not because it's against my opinion, but eating meat is morally and spiritually wrong and being told you can eat meat on Gurdwara premises is almost blasphemous. Thats not a militant view not all either. Many "moneh" who don't practice Sikhi even support that viewpoint.

I also attended the Sikh school at GNG when i was younger and it was a great experience. I know the facts about meat, i know of stories of Baba Deep Singh ji and the controversy behind it and I have my own opinions about it too. But i wasnt, and didnt need to be taught it, by my Punjabi school teacher. I learnt from sangat, katha, literature and so forth. We have half a dozen Granthis at GNG who are a lot more learned than Mr Dhillon and the other school teachers there. Any children asking such questions should be referred to Gurdwara granthis for this kind of stuff. They arent there just to do ardas.

Thanks for the support. But yeah, don't worry about the threats. They didnt have the guts to reveal who they were but I found out who the kids were. This also supports the fact that kids are not mature enough to handle adult discussions and debates.

[Paneer Monster]

vegetarian and amritdhari is the way foward....

Guru sahib has given us many choices. but in addition to gurbani, our souls conscience tell us whats right and whats wrong.

We serve Guru Sahib by serving his creation.... plants are lower life forms then animals which is why we eat them.

[mohinder pal]

Only One Lesson could be given to these Meat Eaters.

Tell them to Kill their Own Kids and Eat and Ask them How they Feel it!!!.

[Guroo Guroo Jaap]

The choice is not ours!!

Does no one read Gurbani anymore?!?

[MoneySingh000]

I blame Akal Takht they're sending mixed signals

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