Black Black Black Black

[saint-soldier]

Let me remind u guys that it is the year 2009 not 1984!!!!

and let me remind you sikhs still get treated like second class citizens in india, just like in 84.

[RAJ]

This Saturday India play Bangladesh in the 20-20 world cup in Nottingham, the worlds media will be there. This is another chance to show India that we have not forgotten. If anyone on here is going to cricket or knows of anyone ask them to wear black armbands or khesri in rememberance of this day also if people can have banners that would be great. If we can get the local Nottingham sangat to hand out flyers to let the crowds know what happened 25 years ago.

[wjkk wjkf]

no offence or nothing and as a sikh I completely see where this comes from. In India this would very probably make sense to external observers however, remember this, we're in ENGLAND. As it is, we already get a lot of bad attitude towards us because like it or not we 'resemble' various militant muslim groups. The fact that we wear colours other than black tends to differentiate us from them. Which in my opinion is a good thing. Think about it, if you see a thousand 'muslim-looking' people walking towards you in black shouting (lets face it) quite violent slogans... how you gonna react as an average english citizen? Probably with aggression, suspicion and act stand-offish... the idea of this march isnt just about letting the Indians know we want justice but others too, like the goreh.

I'm not saying it's a bad idea or anything, I just think you should take this into account and have some pretty good leaflets to get them on side, or it'll just be another day wasted in the sun.

who says the muslims have ownership over a colour?

And who cares if we do look a little militant? I think that would be a good thing. Lets keep this in context ... were talking about 25 years since Sri Harimandir Sahib was attacked ... and the issue is that we might look a 'little militant/muslim'?

25 years of doing peaceful happy go lucky rallies has achieved what? Lets be brutally honest, flower power has achieved us nothing. But seeing as we must abide by the laws we continue anyway and do the best we can.

However, the Indians, the ENGLISH and others need to realise that this is not just another 'day wasted in the sun' or a walk around for a bunch of hippies. If they feel a shiver down their spine then good! They need to see and hear the pain of the Sikhs, and to realise that we want justice, but also .. that we are prepared to get it, by whichever means we are forced to adopt (with guru jis kirpa).

Your perfectly entitled to your view, I just think that the last thing we need to worry about when wearing a certain colour of clothing is that we may look like muslims. If we go down that line, then might as well put away the beards and turbans as well ... and god forbid anyone realise that these muslim lookalikes also carry daggers!

sorry pahji but i dont agree.

you gotta look at it this way - do u want the gora's support or not and how do u win that support? For example WE all know that m.k gandhi was a sell-out but goreh love him...violence in society is never seen as a good thing - no matter WHERE u come from, why you do it etc. - goreh just dont understand. therefore to get them onside we gotta be clever and not emotional. It's so easy to be emotional but much harder to stop n think about what we're doing and be clever about things. It's a fact fundamentalism (no matter what the meaning or intent) is considered a threat and treated with suspicion. We get seen as fanatics even by our own... sometimes other raasta's are needed..

and besides - if not to get the goreh to understand and support us, what are these rallys for? to threaten the indian gov? to tell them we 'remember'? they already know these things...for once in our lives wouldnt it be good to get some REAL support and action from here?

We can all get on our high horses and say 'sod them, who cares? we'll do what we want' - but what will it achieve??

Our lot get too excited about getting together, shouting slogans, having a nice day in the park n going home again...it's becoming a joke.

I agree - it is 25 years - we need to make a statement - but i dont agree it should be one of militancy - we wont be taken SERIOUSLY is the problem - not that i agree with flowerpower either lol - and it's not about being afraid of being like muslims - like i said, just trying to be clever about the situation - cos half of em dont know we're sikhs, they just label us as muslims before they bother to find out.

[AK-47]

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[Nirvair S Khalsa]

no offence or nothing and as a sikh I completely see where this comes from. In India this would very probably make sense to external observers however, remember this, we're in ENGLAND. As it is, we already get a lot of bad attitude towards us because like it or not we 'resemble' various militant muslim groups. The fact that we wear colours other than black tends to differentiate us from them. Which in my opinion is a good thing. Think about it, if you see a thousand 'muslim-looking' people walking towards you in black shouting (lets face it) quite violent slogans... how you gonna react as an average english citizen? Probably with aggression, suspicion and act stand-offish... the idea of this march isnt just about letting the Indians know we want justice but others too, like the goreh.

I'm not saying it's a bad idea or anything, I just think you should take this into account and have some pretty good leaflets to get them on side, or it'll just be another day wasted in the sun.

In discussions off-line it has been suggested the leaflets not only talk about the significance of BLACK - remembrance/protest/defiance, but also KESHRI - the colour of the Nishan Sahib (Sikh flag), freedom, colour worn by the five beloved ones that will lead the remembrance march etc.

This message in the leaflets will also go with - Remembrance March AND Freedom Rally.

Texts, emails, discussion groups should therefore emphasise to wear predominantly Black and Keshri.

Around 1,000 orange/yellow t-shirts were already distributed in April, 2,000 keshri t-shirts have been distributed this week

There will be large Nishan Sahibs and small Khalistan flags that will be Keshri

1,984 orange balloons - with Never Forget 84 (in blue) have been produced

There will be many with Keshri dastaars, chunnis etc. and probably lots with black hoodies

Therefore, it makes sense to promote Black and Keshri and go for the dual message. This also links well with the message of Sant Jarnail Singh Bhindranwale Ji that the Indian army assault on the Darbar Sahib Complex will lay the foundation stone for Khalistan.

SIKHS ARE REQUESTED TO WEAR BLACK AND ORANGE AT THE EVENT TOMORROW FOR MAXIMUM IMPACT.