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I know of sant balwant singh, he is a pooran brahm gyanee. The only idiots here are the three who posted above me.

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See the problem with people like big5abi- is that they are punjabi, they follow anyone who can say a few tuks of Gurbani and all of a sudden they are bram gyaani.

They are so s.t.u.p.i.d. that they forget that we should only do matha tek to Guru Maharaj not everyone who has Sant in their name. Please dont get me wrong I would never do nindhya of any Sant especially since you never now how much giaan and kamaaee they have but I would never give them as much respect as Dhan Dhan Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji.

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Benti to sangat please do not slander the only true gem left in sikhi today. The applying of tilak is a maryada done at Hazoor sahib. Has been done since you lot were even born. Please don’t comment on things you don’t understand.

Babaji has been doing kirtan for the last 60+ years. They spend 12 years doing gupt jaap, before being found by sangat (Predicted by Sant Isher Singh ji) Before babaji was even born Sant Attar Singh Ji went to sidhsar and predicated that Sant balwant singh ji would be born and would be a nectar of knowledge. And if you guys have ever heard babajis bachan or diwaan you would understand. Even when Sant balwant singh jis mother passed away Baba Sant Jarnail Singhji Khalsa Bhindranwale was sent a letter and said that she was my mother too while holding the letter next to their heart.

And also babaji hasn’t got their own DERA. They stay at Mata Gujri sirra. The Place where the 300years was celebrated was the asthan of Baba Beeram Dass ji where Dashmash ji themselves sent a hand written saroop of maharaj.

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Fateh . . . .

Understand that there are ppl who are puran BrahamGayanis and have a lot of Kamai.

Just a few pointers that I will like answers to:

1. At Hazoor sahib - the Tilak is done while Asa di // is being recited. The Shabad recited at the time when the Ardasia does the tilak is:

Chandan Ka birha Bhala . . . . . oi Bhi Chandan hoye rehe. ..... . .

Pls look at the meaning of this shabad at STTM and understand that just by putting a tilak on doesnt make us holier or any better.

Now if you look at the Maryada of Hazoor Sahib when the doors are opened in the morning, the first thing that goes in is a BATA (bowl) of Sukha. Pls dont start saying that we should follow that too now.

For the Tilak Maryada and the other points that happen at Hazoor sahib: Hazoor Sahib is in old Hindustan, and was under the control of Mahants for a long time who created their own Maryada. It really hasnt changed since those days.

If we disregard the above, I want to know is that where does the Maryada of putting Tilak on Guru Sahib comes from. Why are you putting stains on the Guru ji's Bani. What is that achieving. You all seem to have a good grasp of English. Pls enlighten me WHAT DOES PUTTING TILAK ON GIVES. Dont bring any Braham Gayani or Kamai into this. Just simply explain; as a normal person: what does it gain. Both on a normal person and a Gursikh.

2. Guru Granth Sahib is our (mine) Supreme Lord. Whilst Guru Ji is in Parkash and we are in Hazoori of Guru Granth Sahib ji why should I Matha tek to someone else (again regardless of who that person should be).

2b. Did Sant Atar Singh ji or Sant Isher singh ji allowed anyone to do Matha Tek to them whilst in or outside the Hazoori of Guru Grant Sahib ji, You will find the ansewr is NO. And if someone tried they were pretty harsh to them. Listen to their own katha and you will find that out.

So again a humble request to my dear friends here: I am thick: pls provide me with information on: I dont want an argument. I just want your personal opinion on:

1. What does putting a Tilak on Guru Granth Sahib ji does. What does it gain. What Shardha is it that you should do that. Why should one do that.

2. Matha Tek to a person in Guru Ji's Hazoori to anyone else, is that viable? Should Sikhs do that?

Fateh . . . . . . .

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Tony you're a blind ignoramous. No one cares what you think, you have no conception of who or what a saint is. Sant Balwant Singh is from Baba Biram Das, Guru Gobind Singh Ji's relative. You have no knowledge of sanatanism nor do you possess the ability to acquire it. I suggest you stick to your sgpc nonsense.

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Thanks for telling me my ignorance. I am happy to be convienced

Pls tell me:

2. Guru Granth Sahib is our (mine) Supreme Lord. Whilst Guru Ji is in Parkash and we are in Hazoori of Guru Granth Sahib ji why should I Matha tek to someone else (again regardless of who that person should be).

2b. Did Sant Atar Singh ji or Sant Isher singh ji allowed anyone to do Matha Tek to them whilst in or outside the Hazoori of Guru Grant Sahib ji,

So again a humble request to my dear friends here: I am thick: pls provide me with information on: I dont want an argument. I just want your personal opinion on:

1. What does putting a Tilak on Guru Granth Sahib ji does. What does it gain. What Shardha is it that you should do that. Why should one do that.

2. Matha Tek to a person in Guru Ji's Hazoori to anyone else, is that viable? Should Sikhs do that?

Pls pls pls rather than highlighting my ignorance or my stupidity: Pls answer the above questions.

BTW - And And And when did I ever mention sgpc. Where did that come from?

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Tony:

1. What does putting a Tilak on Guru Granth Sahib ji does. What does it gain. What Shardha is it that you should do that. Why should one do that.

It's simply a tradition and done as a mark of respect. I believe Baba Buddha Ji also applied tilak to the foreheads of the Gurus when they were given Gurgaddi.

2. Matha Tek to a person in Guru Ji's Hazoori to anyone else, is that viable? Should Sikhs do that?

I don't believe people should be matha tekking to any person anywhere, but some Sikhs do it as a mark of respect to a Gursikh who has shown them the way to Sikhi. People used to matha tek to Sant Jarnail Singh Bhindrawale too until he started touching people on the head with a teer to get them to stop. :D Some Sikhs still insisted on matha tekking anyway out of pure pyaar. It might be wrong, but there is only so much you can do to teach people that.

Regards,

K.

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Applying the tilak to Guru Granth Sahib ji doesn't do anything so to speak. It's just tradition and a symbol of how the Super-Power was passed on.

Matha Teking should not be done in Hazoori and yes I know people who have seen women matha teking to Sant Isher Singh Ji as he walked into the divan. There's nothing against that mahapurash if a premi matha teks from a mile away. The love of the devotee cannot be concieved by the normal intellect.

The sgpc part was mentioned because I've been told by a few people that that's all you're concerned with.

and and and you're an i.d.i.o.t.

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Fateh . . .

Applying tilak to Guru Granth Sahib Ji doesnt do anything to speak.....

What does it do then.

Chaps dont bring tradition into this. We are sikhs, we have been taught to be out of the caste, creed, race, religion, and TRADITION. So if you are Kashi or Mathura, and a GurSikh, will it be ok to do the rest of the manmat traditions. And then if someone questioned, it will be ok cos it is just tradition. Will it ok to have Guru Granth Sahib and a statue next to it - cos traditionally you are in a part of world where idol worship is normal.

Back to what does it do..... it takes you away from the payar and satkar, the protocol that Sikhs have been told to follow.

Understand that we do Matha Tek due to Satkar.

Ppl did try to do Matha Tek to many Mahapursh. But the real Mahapursh never allowed ppl to do Matha Tek to them. The love of the devotee is naive (pure) payar, but it is the duty of the MahaPursh to show the devotee the right path too.

Can you answer this - is it ok for Mahapursh to be in Maharaj's huzuri and still allow ppl to Matha Tek to them. Should they not stop ppl from doing so?

Is it Ok for Mahapurshs to allow ppl to make the rumala sahib touch the Mahapurshs feet and then submit the same Rumala to Guru Granth Sahib? Is it not the mahapursh's duty to correct the devottee if they do so.

And dude pls dont listen to ppl. You are obv too much into chinese whispers (aka GOSSIP).

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As I said before you're an imbecile, but we'll address that some other time.

The tilak is a mark of sovereignty and doesn't have much spiritual significance, it was applied on Kings and Sants.

Actually, there were statues of ganesh beside Guru Granth Sahib Ji in the Golden Temple (not that I support this), until the British came and removed them. So I think you should be matha teking to them.

If applying some paste on your head drives you away from your Gurus pyar and satkar, you're a fool.

Of course Sants don't allow matha teking, but what can you do if they're a mile away.

As for the ramalla touching feet, I assume someone has done this, which I surely comdemn.

That chinese whispers thing didn't fit, you just look like more of an i.d.i.o.t. now

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Actually, there were statues of ganesh beside Guru Granth Sahib Ji in the Golden Temple (not that I support this), until the British came and removed them......

Veer Ji, this is wrong - it's only with the support of the British that the mahants installed idols. Look at paintings (from Sikh raj ) and the earliest photos (just after Maharaja Ranjit Singh ji's time) and you will see there are no idols. The Harmandir Sahib was in control of Akaali Nihangs until the British.

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