Sikhs Attacked At Nottingham Semi Fianl By Pakistanis

[caveman]

All of the problems facing the Khalsa Panth stem from the inequities of our central leadership, we dont really have a central leadership do we??????

If we all went back to old school ways of reading and understanding Gurbani and learning and practising Shastar Vidya, the majority of our problems would be sorted.

no one will learn shastar vidiya as people in this country dont like the person who teaches and tell people to stay clear of him.

Rightly so, Khalsa ji supporting Niddar we will only increase problems in the panth such as youths being brainwashed into 'satanist sikhi' and it will only encourage bad sangat. Support Niddar and his chela is like supporting narkdhari gurbachana he may not be openly putting his feet on guru maharaj but he is doing through pulling people away from the guru, whats more important learning shastar vidiya from Niddar or actually putting panthic problems first??

you must be the type who doesnt care if the vidiya becomes extinct at all! well I and others wont let that happen! the vidiya shall be taught to many people wishing to learn it and keeping the great jung vidiya alive!!!!!!!!!!

If you ask me, learning the Vidya is now top priority for all SIkh Youth

nai! koina, let it die out no need for shastar vidiya.

No Khalsa ji we do care about the vidiya but how can you do even know this is the vidiya? :umm: The Guys a fraud, thats like trusting a robber with your bank account lol. Sure apparently he's the only remaining Gurdev? Which is rather convienient. Sikhs don't have one martial art, we take whats effective from several, we don't need beg at the door of rss agent, why should the fauj of Akaal Purakh Restrict themselves to one martial art? Why don't support real singhs who have started teaching Muay Thai, and jeet kune do and several other martial arts.

In the words of Bruce Lee:

'Absorb what is useful, Reject what is useless'

This is not an attack on you brother its just something we need to think about.

''khalsa ji''' I believe you should find the lines in sarbloh granths were it refers to techniques! then see niddar singh and see if he can do what the granth says ie merging with weapons and many other techniques.

to me it seems you have a agenda against niddar, why dont you keep it with him rather than saying such comments such as '' but how can you do even know this is the vidiya'' and btw that doesnt make sense! anyway niddar met babeh who trained with his gurdev and then he showed the vidiya and they said thats the vidiya what they learned so yes I do believe this is the TRUE vidiya.

I suggest you read through the yudh banis in Sri Dasam Granth and Sri Sarbloh Granth. People who have an understanding for the art will see the references of techniques within.

''we take whats effective from several'' why take it from several different martial arts when shastar vidiya has it all!

''Why don't support real singhs who have started teaching Muay Thai'' id rather support professional people such as Alexis Demetriades from london shoot fighters.

anyway I hope satpunga singh replys also when he reads your post

[caveman]

If you ask me, learning the Vidya is now top priority for all SIkh Youth

We as Khalsa Do not have to just learn shastar vidiya we can take everything effective from hundreds of martial arts

one thing I must understand your saying learn other martial arts also teek but why not learn shastar vidiya lets say niddar wasnt the teacher some other guy was would you learn then?

shastar vidiya is very wide ie grappling unarmed combat \

I have quoted below this from a old post

''Panth Parkash and other granths have techniques described in them, but nothing in detail that will allow someone to create a complete martial art out of. What you are trying to say is that Niddar Singh has taken a few techniques out of the granths and created a few moves out of thin air.

If that was the case, then how has Nihang Niddar Singh attained a martial art which is complete in every way, from terminologies and references to Dasam and Sarbloh Granth, to techniques, multiple fighting, batlefield strategies, use of all indo persian weapons in different ways (not just spinning in circular patterns), to levels which even the best martial artist can appreciate and acknowledge. If this was all his own fiction and blending, then he is a genius when it comes to martial arts, esspecially if he has taught himself.

(to the fraud part you said about niddar being a fraud )

What he has done is spent time under his gurdevs guidance and attained and achieved the vidiya that was passed down to him. I have audio interviews of various babas who knew Shastarvidiya, in which they explain the exact same principles and strategies that we have been taught in the akhara. These babas were also training partners of Niddar Singhs Gurdev and students of Baba Mohinder Singhs Gurdev. These babas also confirm that what Niddar Singh had shown them was the same vidiya that they were shown when they were learning. Im guessing you will say that this is a co-incidence aswell, and you need more concrete proof?! Some peoples hatred is so much that even if the Guru came and told you themselves you still wouldnt believe it!

No one can just make up what Niddar Singh teaches, it is impossible. If you cannot appreciate it that is your own weakness within the understanding of martial arts. If it was so easy to create a make believe Sikh martial art in the way that you claim Niddar Singh has, then why has everyone else missed the same things he is teaching?''

also if you read Charitrar 404, when Mahakaal enters the battlefield and is attacked by the Raakash, you will see the refference to him being like water against their strikes

Chris Crudelli comments on Shastarvidiya, and hes a great martial artist he he would want to learn it shows to an extent how good it is!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00k5...ive_05_05_2009/

Forward to 2 hours 53 onwards.

anyone who disagrees that the Gurus Vidiya cannot stand up against others is being misled by their hatred for one man.

[kpanthmovement]

If you ask me, learning the Vidya is now top priority for all SIkh Youth

We as Khalsa Do not have to just learn shastar vidiya we can take everything effective from hundreds of martial arts

one thing I must understand your saying learn other martial arts also teek but why not learn shastar vidiya lets say niddar wasnt the teacher some other guy was would you learn then?

shastar vidiya is very wide ie grappling unarmed combat \

I have quoted below this from a old post

''Panth Parkash and other granths have techniques described in them, but nothing in detail that will allow someone to create a complete martial art out of. What you are trying to say is that Niddar Singh has taken a few techniques out of the granths and created a few moves out of thin air.

If that was the case, then how has Nihang Niddar Singh attained a martial art which is complete in every way, from terminologies and references to Dasam and Sarbloh Granth, to techniques, multiple fighting, batlefield strategies, use of all indo persian weapons in different ways (not just spinning in circular patterns), to levels which even the best martial artist can appreciate and acknowledge. If this was all his own fiction and blending, then he is a genius when it comes to martial arts, esspecially if he has taught himself.

(to the fraud part you said about niddar being a fraud )

What he has done is spent time under his gurdevs guidance and attained and achieved the vidiya that was passed down to him. I have audio interviews of various babas who knew Shastarvidiya, in which they explain the exact same principles and strategies that we have been taught in the akhara. These babas were also training partners of Niddar Singhs Gurdev and students of Baba Mohinder Singhs Gurdev. These babas also confirm that what Niddar Singh had shown them was the same vidiya that they were shown when they were learning. Im guessing you will say that this is a co-incidence aswell, and you need more concrete proof?! Some peoples hatred is so much that even if the Guru came and told you themselves you still wouldnt believe it!

No one can just make up what Niddar Singh teaches, it is impossible. If you cannot appreciate it that is your own weakness within the understanding of martial arts. If it was so easy to create a make believe Sikh martial art in the way that you claim Niddar Singh has, then why has everyone else missed the same things he is teaching?''

also if you read Charitrar 404, when Mahakaal enters the battlefield and is attacked by the Raakash, you will see the refference to him being like water against their strikes

Chris Crudelli comments on Shastarvidiya, and hes a great martial artist he he would want to learn it shows to an extent how good it is!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00k5...ive_05_05_2009/

Forward to 2 hours 53 onwards.

anyone who disagrees that the Gurus Vidiya cannot stand up against others is being misled by their hatred for one man.

Ok well your second comment is much more constructive and yes you made some good points, without throwing abuse lol. Also Apologys if the first comment sounded abit harsh (it wasnt supposed to be lol) and also the KhalsaPanthMovements not one person bhai sahib ji hence why we named it movement were trying to make a difference and your comment about waiting for satpunga singh to reply is neccesary it sounds like your trying to get others to confront me lol :lol: theres no need where all brothers here.

With regards to the point you made 'why not learn shastar vidiya lets say niddar wasnt the teacher some other guy was would you learn then? ' The answer to this yes :D why should we reject martial arts we have not learnt but sometimes khalsa ji we have to think about the panth as a whole and the effects . Furthermore this post gives details on where else to learn it a soloution to that problem. http://www.sikhsangat.com/index.php?showto...mp;#entry420152 :rolleyes:

another point you have made 'shastar vidiya is very wide ie grappling unarmed combat' yup we are not the martial arts crap my brother.

'Chris Crudelli comments on Shastarvidiya, and hes a great martial artist he he would want to learn it shows to an extent how good it is!'

Yes chris crudelli is a legend, mind boy and kick <banned word filter activated> moves was the best programme going lol and bhaji that link you sent does not work :6 , Also with regars to these tapes could upload them?

Sorry to cause any offence in my earlier posts, the Kpanthmovements about unity!

[kpanthmovement]

Btw sangat ji we did not swear lol 'mind boy and kick <banned word filter activated> moves' its the name of the show

[GillAUS]

Gaus-this is not directed at you personally, as there may be more to what you intended to convey. However, your post unfortunately (perhaps inadvertently) does reflect a portion of attitude amongst us and I use it as a tool to make a point.

The attackers were wrong to pour beer on anyone. I agree that the victims, regardless of practice or association, deserve our protection. However, since when has drinking beer been an individual sikh practice as suggested?

The attackers are young idiots who can be fought against in various conventional ways. However our naivety and presumptuous disrespect for our Guruji's that is posted on a Sikh forum, with some support and hardly a notice otherwise, is far more insidious and dangerous for Sikhs than are idiots pouring beer on someone.

If we refer to someone holding a beer as a Singh; if we refer to this as an individual Sikh practice; we might as well tuck our tail between our legs and go home. Go ahead and fight… flailing at the wind confirms our egos existence.

However, if you want to fight face to face with the biggest insult and threat to our Guruji's lessons, the modern day supporting cast for the 17th century Mughals, the ones who mock the blood of Sikh martyrs, the ones who promote Sikhi as a caste birthright, have the humility to take a long hard look in the nearest mirror.

Some of the replies this thread has gotten has astounded me.

All those people writing comments such as 'oh he was wearing an indian top/flag, he deserved it' or 'oh he was drinking a beer, he deserved it' should seriously get their heads out of their backsides.

Firstly, leave it to God and Guru ji to judge the individual's Sikhi - that's not for us to do.

Secondly, like it our not, such people are also Sikhs. We should be helping other Sikhs out, not deriding them for their individual practices. Hey, maybe if you help them out, it could give them some encouragement to become better Sikhs?

Come on guys, with this kind of attitude, no wonder these Pakis think they can get the upper hand!

Wake up ppl.

buddasingh,

i think i perhaps did not read about anyone pouring beer on people - if this is true, it definately is a stupid and condemnable action.

also, when i meantion individual sikh practice, it didnt mean that drinking beer is a sikh practice - this would be absurd to say the least!

i was stating that we should not judge or look down on the practices of other individuals who are by religion, sikhs.

furthermore, i mean 'sikh' in the sense that such individuals may not be gurmukhs, but still believe in the the principles of Sikhi as being their 'saviour'.

we should help our brothers/sisters without judgement, just as Sri Guru Nanak Dev ji did not judge Sajjan Thug or Kauda Raksh.

[satpunga singh]

Kpanthmovement you are a total nutcase. Please explain what you mean about that there isn’t only one sikh martial art. How many other martial arts does sikhi have? Gatka? That’s a pile of shite. mauy thai? Shastar vidiya has been given by Vaheguru Ji. What problem do you have.

Your say we can learn everything from all the other (oriental) martial arts, why do you want to go around in a circle when you can go straight to the source? Why don’t you learn the vidiya that Guru Gobind Singh Ji taught? BUT NO. IM SURE YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. BECAUSE YOUR INTUITION IS PERFECT. YOU ARE DIVINE. BECAUSE GURU JI TAUGHT US MAUY THAI ISNT IT?????

What you are saying is that we should disregard the teachings of our gurus, dasam granth, and sarbloh granth. We should instead do the wai kru chicken dance.

People like you are the downfall of sikhi. We lost over half of Punjab because of sikh like you, we lost the ramgharia bunga because of sikh like you, we lost countless lives during the anglosikh wars because of sikh like you, we lost countless lives in 1984 because of sikh like you, and now we will lose the biggest remaining part of our puritan sikhi because of sikh like YOU.

[kpanthmovement]

Firstly, Waheguru ji ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji KI Fateh. First off 'Kpanthmovement you are a total nutcase' Khalsa ji the Khalsa Panth Movement is not one person its Khalsa trying to make a difference in our panth.

Your say we can learn everything from all the other (oriental) martial arts, why do you want to go around in a circle when you can go straight to the source? Why don't you learn the vidiya that Guru Gobind Singh Ji taught? BUT NO. IM SURE YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. BECAUSE YOUR INTUITION IS PERFECT. YOU ARE DIVINE. BECAUSE GURU JI TAUGHT US MAUY THAI ISNT IT?????

What you are saying is that we should disregard the teachings of our gurus, dasam granth, and sarbloh granth. We should instead do the wai kru chicken dance.

Again, why would we be posting venue times and details of shastar vidya being taught? If we were disregarding the teaching of the Gurus and Dasam Granth Sahib then why would we promote this?> http://www.sikhsangat.com/index.php?showtopic=45302

Already youve took your kirpan out and you don't know the full story, God bless you Veer Ji

[dalsingh101]

Shaster vidya should be second to a contact sport like boxing. Learning shaster techniques is good but will not prepare you (at all) for when you actually get hit.

Not being prepared for this makes most people automatically "shut down".

You need to do a sport that will condition you for physical trauma. Shashter vidya isn't it, boxing or kick boxing is better.

Learn to get hit and fight back.

[manni007]

truesay, had the Sikhs that got slapped un in Birmingham on Sunday, as AK47 said, known how to fight back they would have been OK.

furhtermore tho, the problem lies in the fact that when a group of muslims / paks r together they have that bully boy anti sikh mentality

Sikhs with turbans r more,( ie the singh at Notts cricket ground, who got told to take the rag of his head or would get ripped off), at risk so we have to be extra vigilant!

[dalsingh101]

truesay, had the Sikhs that got slapped un in Birmingham on Sunday, as AK47 said, known how to fight back they would have been OK.

furhtermore tho, the problem lies in the fact that when a group of muslims / paks r together they have that bully boy anti sikh mentality

Sikhs with turbans r more,( ie the singh at Notts cricket ground, who got told to take the rag of his head or would get ripped off), at risk so we have to be extra vigilant!

My one experience in East London that day was that a car slowed down near me and one guy leant out of the window and smashed a glass bottle on the floor screaming "Pakistan" glaring at me and the car then quickly sped off.

I'm a mona, they must have seen my kara. If it came to it, I would fight. The fact they ran off like that says a lot. It was probably my reaction. I think they thought I might get scared, but I didn't.

Thing is, when some dastaar wearing Singhs have a really friendly, non anakhi personalities, it really shows. They end up looking like giant teddy bears and not lions. These people are prone to being attacked by thugs, who look for targets they think they can get way with attacking. Ask any clan (family) that has 3 or 4 brave fighters in them. You will note that often they do not have any trouble. So reputation and fear of retribution plays a big part also. You can see this with some families that live in majority sullay areas and are respected. They don't have any issues, yet other Sikh families in the same vicinity will. You have to ask why?

Straight up. Appearence and reputation is half of the matter, once you lose these, then the floodgates open up. Our ancestors understood this.