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You know what, I read your post earlier today, but had a few things to do so I thought I'd reply later, but really, as I should have seen earlier, your successive posts have shown you to be a completely arrogant puck, so I don't see why I even should engage any further with you.

You accuse me of slander, yet in your very first post you begin by labelling me a fundamentalist, a bugger, and then insecure, stupid, an <banned word filter activated>, an asswhistle and thick. And I'm the slanderer? I'm trying to imagine someone like you operating in real life as it is quite clear from your language and attitude you have some serious people problems :rolleyes:

Goodbye hunnybuns :)

Singhstah u r like that Amritpal Singh of Amritworld. you talk a lot of tatti.

oh iz it, thank u for ur great post, u r da sme :D

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That article was the biggest load of bakwaas i have ever read.

Singhstah, do yourself a favor, next time post an article from a scientific journal, not some cheap online tabloid.

I'm assuming our human ancestors and other human species cut stone spears just to scratch their behind.

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Just because other ape species eat a largely plant based diet doesn't make them vegetarian.

Chimpanzees 'hunt using spears'

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/6387611.stm

BBC documentary on the planet's ultimate predators.

This episode was on Chimpanzees

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDFh5JdYh7I

From 'Ape-Man, The Story of Human Evolution', Robin McKie, BBC Worldwide Ltd.

The book accompanies' the television series ape-man, first broadcast on BBC2 in 2000.

ISBN: 0 563 55105 4

Big brains come with a price-tag; they are highly expensive in terms of the energy they use up. Our hominid ancestors' evolving cranial increase would therefore have been impossible had they not turned to the consumption of foods rich in calories, such as nuts and tubers, as well as meat, which also contains a plentiful supply of fatty acids - essential building blocks for brain growth. It was this dietary expansion of eating meat that provided the nutritional kick-start for humanity's intellectual growth.

Such culinary changes also stimulated a major shift in behaviour. The predecessors of Homo erectus were the australopithecines, who were, by and large vegetarians. Now mankind had to think about gathering a far wider range of foods, especially meat, which would have been obtained either by scavenging or by hunting. At first, the former practice almost certainly predominated. Attracted by circling vultures, out ancestors would have moved in to try to steal the leftovers of a big kill: an antelope left in a tree by a leopard, or a large animal, such as a wildebeest, that had been brought down by lions. Scavenging from under the noses of such dangerous creatures would have been a rather risky business but it would also have brought rich rewards. Breaking open the marrow-rich leg bone of an animal such as a wildebeest would have provided a massive dose of calories in a single, swift meal.

This calorific input would have provided the resources needed to fuel the evolving swelling brains of humans, an input that would - in turn - have improved their intellects and therefore our ancestors' ability to find their own meat, for instance by enhancing their ability to retain complex mental plans of resources and to cooperate in dangerous hunts. Even then, humans would concentrated on small prey. Indeed, it would be a long time - many hundreds of thousands of years - before they would develop into the highly efficient hunters that typify the later stages of our evolution.

Homo Sapiens and other human species.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sn/prehistoric_life/human/species/

Why is it that our bodies digest vegetables faster then meat, and why is is those people who eat meat have a higher risk of heart disease and prostate cancer? GOd built our hands so we could plant, and pull vegetables, not so we can kill creatures. Civil and compassionate man still follows this vegetarian diet, while the heartless beast still likes to eat like animals.

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You know what, I read your post earlier today, but had a few things to do so I thought I'd reply later, but really, as I should have seen earlier, your successive posts have shown you to be a completely arrogant puck, so I don't see why I even should engage any further with you.

You accuse me of slander, yet in your very first post you begin by labelling me a fundamentalist, a bugger, and then insecure, stupid, an <banned word filter activated>, an asswhistle and thick. And I'm the slanderer? I'm trying to imagine someone like you operating in real life as it is quite clear from your language and attitude you have some serious people problems :rolleyes:

Goodbye hunnybuns :)

slander is when you say something untrue about someone.........which i didnt do. and lol, nice try at being a psychiatrist. shame it isnt true though, otherwise i might have thought you had some intelligence behind your logic and conclusions. oh well. toodle-do sweetheart! :happy:

GOd built our hands so we could plant, and pull vegetables, not so we can kill creatures. Civil man still follows this vegetarian diet, while the beast still likes to eat like animals.

what!?! so now your saying Guru ji doesnt like tractors and wants us to use our hands?!?!?! dont tell the pendus or we'll have more riots in the punjab.

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You know what, I read your post earlier today, but had a few things to do so I thought I'd reply later, but really, as I should have seen earlier, your successive posts have shown you to be a completely arrogant puck, so I don't see why I even should engage any further with you.

You accuse me of slander, yet in your very first post you begin by labelling me a fundamentalist, a bugger, and then insecure, stupid, an <banned word filter activated>, an asswhistle and thick. And I'm the slanderer? I'm trying to imagine someone like you operating in real life as it is quite clear from your language and attitude you have some serious people problems :rolleyes:

Goodbye hunnybuns :)

slander is when you say something untrue about someone.........which i didnt do. and lol, nice try at being a psychiatrist. shame it isnt true though, otherwise i might have thought you had some intelligence behind your logic and conclusions. oh well. toodle-do sweetheart! :happy:

GOd built our hands so we could plant, and pull vegetables, not so we can kill creatures. Civil man still follows this vegetarian diet, while the beast still likes to eat like animals.

what!?! so now your saying Guru ji doesnt like tractors and wants us to use our hands?!?!?! dont tell the pendus or we'll have more riots in the punjab.

God also gave us hands so we can make machines to make our work easier, thus giving us more free time to do Bhagti.

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WE can argue scientificially all day whether meat is wrong or right. But the fact of the matter is humans are a love machine. There is no love in killing creating pain and taking advantage of a creatures consciousness in order to fulfill our personal desires.

Humans are suppose to be the creature that eradicates all negative karma. We are suppose to be the ultimate compassion showing machine. Humans have the highest potential to share and to be be compassionate. And the most loving creature out of all animalia kingdom. One of the first basic steps of showing more compassion. Is to respect the animals and its offspring. What a great relationship we could form with the animals, if they were not in fear of humans, Who have now been labelled. "top predator, top of the food chain etc" But if you look at a human, do we look like killing machines? pathetic flesh and bone creature, not designed for hate, and brutal force. But we can still do it? We should not cut our hair, but we can still do it. Humans are designed to be the ultimate selfless creatures, who shares their wealth, energy and spreads love and fights for justice, we are not destroyers. To destroy we need tools. To share and love we need nothing but ourselves. We do things that we shouldn't. In the name of this injustice love and selflessness is lost and we become like animals. Its no wonder why then we would think, its ok to eat meat.

Even taking plant life is making negative karma. Although there is less karma involved, as the affects aren't as adverse. Even breathing the air, we are killing the micro organisms, the fact we are on this Earth is a burden in it self. We have to sin. Because thats the beauty of it, only God is free from good and bad karma. Thats why he wants us to join him.

the animals are our cousins, how can we eat our own cousins? Tell me where is the love in this? We are from the same source-spiritually and physicially.

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you want a scientific answer? here's your scientific answer

anatomically our teeth including our molars are similar to those of horses, now do horses rip a cows ... apart and eat it up or do they graze on grass, carrots ie plants/vegetables,

similarly we arent designed to be carnivores nor omnivores only herbivores...dont believe me? look at your teeth and if they dont resemble a horses more than say a cheetahs then maybe you need to pay a visit to the orthodontist and consider braces.

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gods wish ...

give a green veggi to a lion he will die digestiing it god wants lion to be a meat eater ...

give a meat to a deer and result is the same ...

lets test it on man to see the results ...

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look at your teeth and if they dont resemble a horses more than say a cheetahs then maybe you need to pay a visit to the orthodontist and consider braces.

pce

*looks in the mirror...........*

phitte muh hun mainu braces lagane paine :lol:

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Posted on behalf of Tubelight aka Akirtghan aka Papi (there are you happy now! after 3 fudgin' edits!): http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/podcast...ript060809.html

A 10 year study of more than a half million U.S. men and women associates the frequency adults eat red and processed meats with significant increases in overall death, death from cancer, and cardiovascular disease.

The study, which features a cohort of about 322,000 men and 223,000 women (who answered questionnaires about food intake and health for a decade), suggests the consumption of red meat is independently associated with mortality.

The findings (recently published in the Archives of Internal Medicine) also suggest overall deaths, deaths from cancer, and cardiovascular diseases decline when adults eat less white meat (such as poultry, turkey, and canned tuna).

The study is based on the Diet and Health study sponsored by the National Institutes of Health and AARP (formerly known as the American Association of Retired Persons), which occurred between 1995-2005. An accompanying editorial in the Archives of Internal Medicine notes the large number of participants who voluntarily filled out surveys about their diet and health makes the study one of the most comprehensive ever – and adds new evidence that underscores medical counsel for adults to curb red and processed meat consumption.

The findings that associated eating red and processed meats with overall deaths, cancer deaths, and cardiovascular deaths occurred even after controlling for other health issues including:

* body mass

* smoking history

* physical activity

* alcohol consumption

* vitamin intake

* eating fruits and vegetables

* and menopausal hormone therapy among women participants.

To put this another way, the study provides a fresh context that the intake of otherwise beneficial foods and vitamins may not offset the health impacts of red and processed meats. In addition, the association between red and processed meats and mortality seems to occur in spite of other questionable health habits, such as smoking, overweight, and little physical activity.

Incidentally, about 70,000 of the original sample of more than one half million adults died during the ten year study.

The researchers defined red meat broadly including: beef and pork, ham, hotdogs, liver, and meats in foods such as pizza, chili, lasagna, and stew. Processed meats included: bacon, red meat sausage, poultry sausage, cold cuts, and luncheon meats.

It should be noted that mortality rates comparatively declined among the participants who less frequently ate red and processed meats. Nevertheless, overall and disease-specific mortality rates (regardless of frequency) still were significantly higher among red and processed meat eaters.

The study's five authors (who are from the National Cancer Institute) reported some mixed findings. They suggest a need to better understand some complex interactions, such as the comparative mortality risks among meat eaters who do not smoke their entire life – and associations among specific types of red and processed meats and mortality rates from other diseases.

In providing some perspective about the overall findings, the authors explain the increase in mortality might stem from issues, such as the saturated fats within meats – and the possibility that some carcinogens are released during cooking meat at high temperatures.

In the aforementioned editorial that accompanies the study, the author notes the research does not suggest all Americans should become vegans. Rather, the study suggests a need for adults to reduce the intake of meats and saturated fats.

The editorial also notes the findings suggest physicians should provide more public health leadership by encouraging Americans to eat a healthier diet.

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i did a survey too. i took 150 dead people and 150 idiotic fundamentalists. now the fundamentalists all died but the dead people never...is that scientific proof? in our day and age there are so many new carcinogens that werent here before, and they cause increases in cancer. funny how most research doesnt show increases in stomach/bowel cancer among meat eaters. shouldnt that be the case?
The study's five authors (who are from the National Cancer Institute) reported some mixed findings. They suggest a need to better understand some complex interactions, such as the comparative mortality risks among meat eaters who do not smoke their entire life – and associations among specific types of red and processed meats and mortality rates from other diseases.

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you want a scientific answer? here's your scientific answer

anatomically our teeth including our molars are similar to those of horses, now do horses rip a cows ... apart and eat it up or do they graze on grass, carrots ie plants/vegetables,

similarly we arent designed to be carnivores nor omnivores only herbivores...dont believe me? look at your teeth and if they dont resemble a horses more than say a cheetahs then maybe you need to pay a visit to the orthodontist and consider braces.

pce

if this is the level of scientific understanding in the panth today then i'm just not going to bother anymore. and no, no one asked for a scientific answer.

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