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t is from CHUPAI SHAIB which is part of Rehras shiab . Please bro see my post I did not cotradict CHPUAI SHIAB IT IS THE WRITING OF DESAM PITAJI .RamAVTAR AND KRISHNA AVTAR IS DIFFERENT VERSES I just wrote about it

You do not know what you are talking about. Dohra is from rehras sahib but is taken from RAM AVTAR, So are the otehr verses which are not from chaupai sahib but from RAM AVTAR.

You are slandering bani of tenth master by providing false information.

iAM NOT SLANDERING IT BUT UR THE ONE GO AND READ THE WHOLE BANI THEN WRITE POST. BUT UR MIXING THE OTHER BANIS WITH NITNEM WHAT ABOUT 33 SWIYAASES OR OTHER SWWIYASSES READ THESE THEN DISCUSS.
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i think no matter what, sikhi will continue for a long time. but how it continues will be affected by things like this. with out the dasam granth we will be at a major disadvantage. we will also open

*edited* also, maybe you should look at what gurbani says with regards to your life - i.e. that if you dont have a life, you are no better than a hindu holy man wandering in the mountains. how can yo

so are you telling me that you have never ever learned anything from books or other sources of information? are you also saying that the SGGS ji is the only thing you ever learnt from? and once agai

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Please do not compare with me with kala afghana inder singh . Go and read whole granth then discuss , u r the one strenthening kala aghana by unreasonable comments. I have already written it should be researched u r not historian. As all Gurdwaras were under hinduminded mahants so manipulations cannot be ruled out,

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iAM NOT SLANDERING IT BUT UR THE ONE GO AND READ THE WHOLE BANI THEN WRITE POST. BUT UR MIXING THE OTHER BANIS WITH NITNEM WHAT ABOUT 33 SWIYAASES OR OTHER SWWIYASSES READ THESE THEN DISCUSS.

Is chaupai sahib not from charitropakhayan? Yes it is. You write charitropakhayan is not written by Gur sahib.

When we get married granthi ji advise us not to indulge in extra marital affair. The couplets are read by him

Par nari ki sej bhul ke na jaiyo ( I apologise for any spelling mistake)

This is from charitropakhayan. And you dare to say that charitropakhayn promote sex.

Please do not compare with me with kala afghana inder singh . Go and read whole granth then discuss , u r the one strenthening kala aghana by unreasonable comments. I have already written it should be researched u r not historian. As all Gurdwaras were under hinduminded mahants so manipulations cannot be ruled out,

I have read it thrice. That is why i am rebutting your blasphemy by quoting from Dasam granth sahib. Rebut it with quotes from dasam granth.

As all Gurdwaras were under hinduminded mahants so manipulations cannot be ruled out,

This granth was written plus 200 years before that. Akal takhat was under akali nihungs where parkash of dasam garnth was there from the time of dal khalsa.

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The following is from krishna avtar> How strongly Guru sahib is writing that He does not recognise these persons.Why Hindu mahants will write like this . You need to read dasam granth before preaching your theories here.

ਚੌਪਈ ॥

चौपई ॥

CHUPAI

ਮੈ ਨ ਗਨੇਸ਼ਹਿ ਪ੍ਰਿਥਮ ਮਨਾਊਂ ॥ ਕਿਸ਼ਨ ਬਿਸ਼ਨ ਕਬਹੂੰ ਨਹ ਧਿਆਊਂ ॥ਕਾਨ ਸੁਨੇ ਪਹਿਚਾਨ ਨ ਤਿਨ ਸੋਂ ॥ ਲਿਵ ਲਾਗੀ ਮੋਰੀ ਪਗ ਇਨ ਸੋਂ ॥੪੩੪॥

मै न गनेशहि प्रिथम मनाऊं ॥ किशन बिशन कबहूं नह धिआऊं ॥कान सुने पहिचान न तिन सों ॥ लिव लागी मोरी पग इन सों ॥४३४॥

I do not adore Ganesha in the beginning and also do not mediatate on Krishna and Vishnu; I have only heard about them with my ears and I do not recognize them; my consciousness is absorbed at the feet of the Supreme Kal (the Immanent Brahman).434.

ਮਹਾਕਾਲ ਰਖਵਾਰ ਹਮਾਰੋ ॥ ਮਹਾ ਲੋਹ ਮੈਂ ਕਿੰਕਰ ਥਾਰੋ ॥ ਅਪਨਾ ਜਾਨ ਕਰੋ ਰਖਵਾਰ ॥ ਬਾਹਿ ਗਹੇ ਕੀ ਲਾਜ ਬਿਚਾਰ ॥੪੩੫॥

महाकाल रखवार हमारो ॥ महा लोह मैं किंकर थारो ॥ अपना जान करो रखवार ॥ बाहि गहे की लाज बिचार ॥४३५॥

The Supreme Kal (God) is my Protector and O Steel-Purusha Lort ! I am Thy slave; Protect me, considering me as Thy own and do me the honour of catching my arm.435.

ਅਪਨਾ ਜਾਨ ਮੁਝੇ ਪ੍ਰਤਿਪਰੀਐ ॥ ਚੁਨ ਚੁਨ ਸ਼ੱਤੁ ਹਮਾਰੇ ਮਰੀਐ ॥ ਦੇਗ ਤੇਗ ਜਗ ਮੈ ਦੋਊ ਚਲੈ ॥ ਰਾਖ ਆਪ ਮੁਹਿ ਅਉਰੁ ਨ ਦਲੈ ॥੪੩੬॥

अपना जान मुझे प्रतिपरीऐ ॥ चुन चुन श्तु हमारे मरीऐ ॥ देग तेग जग मै दोऊ चलै ॥ राख आप मुहि अउरु न दलै ॥४३६॥

Sustain me, considering me as Thy own and destroy my enemies, picking them up; O Lord with Thy Grace, let the free kitchen and Sword (for the protection of the lowly;) ever flourish through me and none should be able to kill me except You.436.

ਤੁਮ ਮਮ ਕਰਹੁ ਸਦਾ ਪ੍ਰਤਿਪਾਰਾ ॥ ਤੁਮ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਮੈ ਦਾਸ ਤਿਹਾਰਾ ॥ ਜਾਨ ਆਪਨਾ ਮੁਝੈ ਨਿਵਾਜ ॥ ਆਪ ਕਰੋ ਹਮਰੇ ਸਭ ਕਾਜ ॥੪੩੭॥

तुम मम करहु सदा प्रतिपारा ॥ तुम साहिब मै दास तिहारा ॥ जान आपना मुझै निवाज ॥ आप करो हमरे सभ काज ॥४३७॥

Sustain me ever, O Lord! Thou art my Master and I am Thy slave; be Gracious towards me, considering me as Thy own and complete all my works.437.

ਤੁਮ ਹੋ ਸਭ ਰਾਜਨ ਕੇ ਰਾਜਾ ॥ ਆਪੇ ਆਪੁ ਗਰੀਬ ਨਿਵਾਜਾ ॥ ਦਾਸ ਜਾਨ ਕਰਿ ਕ੍ਰਿਪਾ ਕਰਹੁ ਮੁਹਿ ॥ ਹਾਰ ਪਰਾ ਮੈ ਆਨ ਦ੍ਵਾਰ ਤੁਹਿ ॥੪੩੮॥

तुम हो सभ राजन के राजा ॥ आपे आपु गरीब निवाजा ॥ दास जान करि क्रिपा करहु मुहि ॥ हार परा मै आन द्वार तुहि ॥४३८॥

O Lord! Thou art eh king of all kings and Gracious towards the poor; be Benevolent towards me, considering me as Thy own, because, I have surrendered and fallen at Thy Gate.438.

ਅਪਨਾ ਜਾਨ ਕਰੋ ਪ੍ਰਤਿਪਾਰਾ ॥ ਤੁਮ ਸਾਹਿਬੁ ਮੈ ਕਿੰਕਰ ਥਾਰਾ ॥ ਦਾਸ ਜਾਨ ਦੈ ਹਾਥ ਉਬਾਰੋ ॥ ਹਮਰੇ ਸਭ ਬੈਰੀਅਨ ਸੰਘਾਰੋ ॥੪੩੯॥

अपना जान करो प्रतिपारा ॥ तुम साहिबु मै किंकर थारा ॥ दास जान दै हाथ उबारो ॥ हमरे सभ बैरीअन संघारो ॥४३९॥

Sustain me, considering me as Thy own; Thou art my Lord and I am Thy slave; considering me as Thy slave, save me with Thy own hands and destroy all my enemies.439.

Krishna avtar, Dasam granth

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inder singh ji plese read the histroic fact due to prices on heads of sikhs the dal khalsa had to employ the udassis as expect from Aurengjeb times all sadhus were exempted from prosecution what the udassis did was more than the massa rangers during gurdwara movement after many sacrifices these gurdwaras were freed . And a large sections of nihangs supported these mahants and even sent armed men to evict the singhs but some nihang leaders invevened to dissuade the nihang supporters from attacking singhs. Why r u ignoring nitnem banis of swyiasses, jap shaib read these then reply.

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inder singh ji plese read the histroic fact due to prices on heads of sikhs the dal khalsa had to employ the udassis as expect from Aurengjeb times all sadhus were exempted from prosecution what the udassis did was more than the massa rangers during gurdwara movement after many sacrifices these gurdwaras were freed . And a large sections of nihangs supported these mahants and even sent armed men to evict the singhs but some nihang leaders invevened to dissuade the nihang supporters from attacking singhs. Why r u ignoring nitnem banis of swyiasses, jap shaib read these then reply.

Harmandir sahib was under control of Bhai mani singh. He took over from Dhirmalias.

That time sikhs were in jungles. Baba Gurbakjash singh was in control after. He died fighting there with abdali forces. But harmandir sahib never went under control of Udasis till English came on the scene. They did not meddle with scriptures.

Your logic holds no good as most of Dasam granth is highly critical and condemns avtars in much harsher language than SGGS ji. Read it and see. or post the relevant passage here that says worship debvi devtas.

And do not call Nihungs as supporters of anti sikh sects. Had there been any conspiracy it would not have missed the hawk eye of Akali Phoola singh ji.

The tension between Hindus and sikhs were the hadiwork of Arya samajis later on.

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nder singh ji plese read the histroic fact due to prices on heads of sikhs the dal khalsa had to employ the udassis as

Please provide a refrence.

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Concept of Deg teg in sikhism comes from Krishna avtar of Dasam granth. See below

ਅਪਨਾ ਜਾਨ ਮੁਝੇ ਪ੍ਰਤਿਪਰੀਐ ॥ ਚੁਨ ਚੁਨ ਸ਼ੱਤੁ ਹਮਾਰੇ ਮਰੀਐ ॥ ਦੇਗ ਤੇਗ ਜਗ ਮੈ ਦੋਊ ਚਲੈ ॥ ਰਾਖ ਆਪ ਮੁਹਿ ਅਉਰੁ ਨ ਦਲੈ ॥੪੩੬॥

अपना जान मुझे प्रतिपरीऐ ॥ चुन चुन श्तु हमारे मरीऐ ॥ देग तेग जग मै दोऊ चलै ॥ राख आप मुहि अउरु न दलै ॥४३६॥

Sustain me, considering me as Thy own and destroy my enemies, picking them up; O Lord with Thy Grace, let the free kitchen and Sword (for the protection of the lowly;) ever flourish through me and none should be able to kill me except You.436.

Krishna avtar, Dasam granth

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Brother look at the picture in the post. Does that guy look Sikh? His name is Herman Singh.....lol

So let us not judge by names (PS that guys brother has an even more English name!)

But when you adopt another religion you leave behind your old beliefs. you go through a ceremony to commit to your new faith. That is what all american sikhs do.

Let us leave the name thing behind on your suggestion. What about her looks. Does she look like a sikh.

She diplays picture of Gurinder singh from UK who has done his master's in dasam Granth and castigates him for being a mona. What authority she has to preach to others when she herself is a moni ( bob cut).

Please do not tell me that having rehat is irrelevant. had she been a conforming sikh she would have some ethics and would not have lied a number of times during my interactions. Religion is not for discussion only . Religion means truth and truthful living.

So you admit that she does not look like a sikh.

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Aad paan ji has helped me discover aspects of bani that I never knew myself. Together we did an online study of the animal references in SGGS ji. If you look in the SPN gallery you will see them. You will also note that I/we freely use DG references in the posts. And that was a long time before any of this controversy started. That should show you how much respect I have for the granth. Studying the references to the natural world was a really rich and rewarding experience for me and relighted my love of our heritage in a new direction. I thank her for that

What aspects of bani > That is there no naam simran , gurmantra and amrit vela in sikhism.

Stop picking on other people. Look at your own defects first.

That Penji has more Piar for Sikhee then most of us who just go to Gurdwara once in while or only Sundays, bow our head, stuff our faces with langar and go home without even doing Gurmat vichaar.

You want to say something about penji, please do it on spn site or pm her directly.

Stop acting like a spoilt brat!

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Inder singh, tell me if this comment is not an insult against the HIGHEST authority

"some id1ots say the SGGS ji is all they need in life......... i imagine most of that life will be spent inside a bedroom then.""

You are going on about dasam granth and SPN BUT right in front of you some BRAT has just INSULTED Sri Guru Granth Sahib jee.

What are you GOING to do about THIS?

brat? lol, you are so funny. no one else on here is going on about what i said as they understand what i meant, but you're so stupid you keep chasing it like a dog after a stick. lol keep chasing.

explain what? my comment isnt exactly worthy of its own encyclopedia page, just a little sense or intelligence is needed to actually grasp what it means. unless of course you have spent most of your life locked up in a bedroom or basement, in which case i can completely understand why you are embarrassing yourself by asking stupid questions. its is pretty funny how you misinterpreted it in your posts earlier and made yourself look like a complete lunatic. well done.

when are you going to stop threatening me and start explaining?

FYI your comment: "some id1ots say the SGGS ji is all they need in life......... i imagine most of that life will be spent inside a bedroom then."

I am waiting HSD. Please explain your slanderous comment about Sri Guru Granth sahib jee and those who have total faith in Gurbani.

Inder singh - STOP being a BULLY.

Gur maneo Sri Guru Granth Sahib jee ...according to ALL the Gurus.

NOT Guru maneo dasam granth..

still waiting eh? not surprised, time must pass like an eternity when your locked in your bedroom/basement.

on a side note, have you ever seen a winged angel of death club someone's face in?

explain what? my comment isnt exactly worthy of its own encyclopedia page, just a little sense or intelligence is needed to actually grasp what it means. unless of course you have spent most of your life locked up in a bedroom or basement, in which case i can completely understand why you are embarrassing yourself by asking stupid questions. its is pretty funny how you misinterpreted it in your posts earlier and made yourself look like a complete lunatic. well done.

when are you going to stop threatening me and start explaining?

FYI your comment: "some id1ots say the SGGS ji is all they need in life......... i imagine most of that life will be spent inside a bedroom then."

show me where i threatened you.

Inder singh - STOP being a BULLY.

Its NOT being a BULLY bhenji, THIS is called DISCUSSION, something we NEED to have VERY much in our Panth. Do YOU understand?

Sorry bhene I can't stop enjoying this :lol:

have you noticed that i am following the uppercase trend.

Inder singh is not only a BULLY. he is a BRAT too. :p

There are several brats in this tread who so far have threatened me with slapping, BURNING ME, throwing off a cliff .....

I call them male chauvanist BULLIES!!

where did anyone threaten to throw you off a cliff?

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From aad0002 ji -- a message

"Who sleeps with dogs wakes up with fleas." A saying from the folk heritage of the south of Italy. Consider the message when you pause and reflect on the extent to which this discussion has extended or enriched your vichaar of Dasam Pitah, his banee, or his contributions to moral theology and the spiritual well-being of this earth.

If my comment does not make sense to you, then it is by His Hukam, and according to His Wisdom. I am grateful.

Antonia

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Brother look at the picture in the post. Does that guy look Sikh? His name is Herman Singh.....lol

So let us not judge by names (PS that guys brother has an even more English name!)

But when you adopt another religion you leave behind your old beliefs. you go through a ceremony to commit to your new faith. That is what all american sikhs do.

Let us leave the name thing behind on your suggestion. What about her looks. Does she look like a sikh.

She diplays picture of Gurinder singh from UK who has done his master's in dasam Granth and castigates him for being a mona. What authority she has to preach to others when she herself is a moni ( bob cut).

Please do not tell me that having rehat is irrelevant. had she been a conforming sikh she would have some ethics and would not have lied a number of times during my interactions. Religion is not for discussion only . Religion means truth and truthful living.

So you admit that she does not look like a sikh.

.

Aad paan ji has helped me discover aspects of bani that I never knew myself. Together we did an online study of the animal references in SGGS ji. If you look in the SPN gallery you will see them. You will also note that I/we freely use DG references in the posts. And that was a long time before any of this controversy started. That should show you how much respect I have for the granth. Studying the references to the natural world was a really rich and rewarding experience for me and relighted my love of our heritage in a new direction. I thank her for that

What aspects of bani > That is there no naam simran , gurmantra and amrit vela in sikhism.

Stop picking on other people. Look at your own defects first.

That Penji has more Piar for Sikhee then most of us who just go to Gurdwara once in while or only Sundays, bow our head, stuff our faces with langar and go home without even doing Gurmat vichaar.

You want to say something about penji, please do it on spn site or pm her directly.

Stop acting like a spoilt brat!

First of all i would like to say that i am not Gurdaspuria, i am his cousin, i am not well read in sikhism however i show interest at times when my cousin shows me some of these threads, originally this was supposed to be for an actual reason but you all diagressed into a rant about male ego and what you think is right, a discussion is a discussion until someone gets personal, then it becomes a debate, which then becomes an argument. You must realise that as people who have this knowledge the best you could do is articulate yourself in a calm manner, rather than argue your point endlessly to an end which has little or nothing to do with this point. I doubt i will want to see any threads my cousin shows me any more, i would like to say i do not speak of everyone who partook in this conversation however to the few who ended up poisining it and diluting the actual importance of the thread. Grow up, i remind you, i am not Gurdaspuria, but his cousin, with this you should understand how you look to people, like arrogant egotistical although you may have knowledge you have no etiquette in presenting your arguments, btw even if this is on UKGupt Kaur's post and i quoted her it is not directly intended for her. but i thought i should let you knw you all look lyk children. Grow up, or articulate urselvs. Thankyou

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Brother look at the picture in the post. Does that guy look Sikh? His name is Herman Singh.....lol

So let us not judge by names (PS that guys brother has an even more English name!)

But when you adopt another religion you leave behind your old beliefs. you go through a ceremony to commit to your new faith. That is what all american sikhs do.

Let us leave the name thing behind on your suggestion. What about her looks. Does she look like a sikh.

She diplays picture of Gurinder singh from UK who has done his master's in dasam Granth and castigates him for being a mona. What authority she has to preach to others when she herself is a moni ( bob cut).

Please do not tell me that having rehat is irrelevant. had she been a conforming sikh she would have some ethics and would not have lied a number of times during my interactions. Religion is not for discussion only . Religion means truth and truthful living.

So you admit that she does not look like a sikh.

.

Aad paan ji has helped me discover aspects of bani that I never knew myself. Together we did an online study of the animal references in SGGS ji. If you look in the SPN gallery you will see them. You will also note that I/we freely use DG references in the posts. And that was a long time before any of this controversy started. That should show you how much respect I have for the granth. Studying the references to the natural world was a really rich and rewarding experience for me and relighted my love of our heritage in a new direction. I thank her for that

What aspects of bani > That is there no naam simran , gurmantra and amrit vela in sikhism.

Stop picking on other people. Look at your own defects first.

That Penji has more Piar for Sikhee then most of us who just go to Gurdwara once in while or only Sundays, bow our head, stuff our faces with langar and go home without even doing Gurmat vichaar.

You want to say something about penji, please do it on spn site or pm her directly.

Stop acting like a spoilt brat!

tell that penji not to pick on others if she has shortcomings herself.

You are yet to answer my question. Are you amritdhari.

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