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you bay area akj suk. why Bhai Amolak Singh Ji was not allowed to do keertan and sum troublemakers banned him from nor cal programs. why?why?why?

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Bay Area sangat has a strict policy about allowing kirtan seva. If someone has done something wrong then they cannot do this seva untill they do pesh.

This is not something new . During Bhai Randhir Singhs time the standards were even more sticter then today in regards to AKJ programs.

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cali smagams used to be soo good, way too much politics there now, didn't bhai amolak singh just do keertan in India and australia smagams ???

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I do not know what Bhai Amolak SIngh did, nor is it my business. This is strict policy that no particular person is above. Maybe in Australia and India the standards are not as strict. I have heard that Tapoban follow similar strict standards when allowing Kirtan seva.

Cali Smagams are still awesome. This year Bhai Gurdev SIngh did keertan for 3 hours which included Sri Dasam Granth Banis like Akal Ustat. Bhai Gurpreet SIngh did Naam Abhyiaas for at least one hour, Bhai Prabhjot Singh finished the Smagam in which he also recited Banis from Sri Dasam Granth. Personally I dont know of any Smagams besides Bay Area smagams in which bani ( Sri Dasam Granth Bani) that has been neglected for many years is being reintroduced to sangat . We have remained blind to the beautiful banis of Sri Dasam Granth for many years its nice to see that these banis are being sung in Smagam nowadays. Im not saying California Smagams are the best , I believe all smagams in which Naam Simran and Gurbani are being recited are great. I just believe we shouldnt be focus on the Kirtani instead we should be focusing on the Kirtan.

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I do not know what Bhai Amolak SIngh did, nor is it my business. This is strict policy that no particular person is above. Maybe in Australia and India the standards are not as strict. I have heard that Tapoban follow similar strict standards when allowing Kirtan seva.

Cali Smagams are still awesome. This year Bhai Gurdev SIngh did keertan for 3 hours which included Sri Dasam Granth Banis like Akal Ustat. Bhai Gurpreet SIngh did Naam Abhyiaas for at least one hour, Bhai Prabhjot Singh finished the Smagam in which he also recited Banis from Sri Dasam Granth. Personally I dont know of any Smagams besides Bay Area smagams in which bani ( Sri Dasam Granth Bani) that has been neglected for many years is being reintroduced to sangat . We have remained blind to the beautiful banis of Sri Dasam Granth for many years its nice to see that these banis are being sung in Smagam nowadays. Im not saying California Smagams are the best , I believe all smagams in which Naam Simran and Gurbani are being recited are great. I just believe we shouldnt be focus on the Kirtani instead we should be focusing on the Kirtan.

:D Do you have link for the above smagam?

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yea bhai amolak singh ji doin kirtan here in australia..and i like his kirtan ..but havent heard anything tht they did somethin rong..?? but i think he is gr8 singh...

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bhai amolak singh doing keertan sevaa at toronto broadcast llive on akj.org, so it isn't a worldwide ban just an a california thing !!!

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California is quick to ban anyone and everyone that they want. With an overlap of people between the (anti) Panthic Network, these same people have banned so far:

Bhai Harpreet Singh (Toronto)

Bhai Manmohan Singh (California)

Bhai Amolak Singh (Australia)

Bhai Ranjit Singh (Jammu)

According to what i've been told by a source involved with the Khalsa Alliance Jatha (KAJ) in California, Bhai Amolak Singh was banned from doing kirtan for giving a Siropa to Jathedar Bakshish Singh, while they support Bhai Mohinder Singh. So instead of basing their decision on Gurmat, the KAJ has based their decision completely on politics. These same people would ban Bhai Sahib Jeevan Singh Jee, because Bhai Sahib also gave a siropa to Jathedar Bakshish Singh.

Hardeep Singh

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I do not know what Bhai Amolak SIngh did, nor is it my business. This is strict policy that no particular person is above. Maybe in Australia and India the standards are not as strict. I have heard that Tapoban follow similar strict standards when allowing Kirtan seva.

Cali Smagams are still awesome. This year Bhai Gurdev SIngh did keertan for 3 hours which included Sri Dasam Granth Banis like Akal Ustat. Bhai Gurpreet SIngh did Naam Abhyiaas for at least one hour, Bhai Prabhjot Singh finished the Smagam in which he also recited Banis from Sri Dasam Granth. Personally I dont know of any Smagams besides Bay Area smagams in which bani ( Sri Dasam Granth Bani) that has been neglected for many years is being reintroduced to sangat . We have remained blind to the beautiful banis of Sri Dasam Granth for many years its nice to see that these banis are being sung in Smagam nowadays. Im not saying California Smagams are the best , I believe all smagams in which Naam Simran and Gurbani are being recited are great. I just believe we shouldnt be focus on the Kirtani instead we should be focusing on the Kirtan.

:D Do you have link for the above smagam?

Hopefully they will be up on Keertan.net in the near future. :)

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California is quick to ban anyone and everyone that they want. With an overlap of people between the (anti) Panthic Network, these same people have banned so far:

Bhai Harpreet Singh (Toronto)

Bhai Manmohan Singh (California)

Bhai Amolak Singh (Australia)

Bhai Ranjit Singh (Jammu)

I dont want to be focusing on other peoples Jivan or views thats why I do not try to look into these things. I know the California Singhs have strict standards in allowing Kirtan seva . They will not allow seva if someone has done something against Gurmat. Thus I respect this policy and do not try to waste my time figuring out why certain people cant do kirtan.

But just to clear matters up one of the SInghs you mentioned above is banned from doing Kirtan because of his perverse and manmat view of Sri Dasam Granth Sahib. As he stated Dasmesh Pita Ji's pavitar Bani was written by a Bahman. Thus he will no longer be invited to do kirtan unless he changes his postion on Dasmi Patshahs Bani. Again I dont want this to turn into a Sri Dasam Granth debate, as the forum has already affirmed its position on this view. In regards to Jatha and Sri Dasam Granth. Bhai Sahib Bhai Randhir SIngh Ji has regarded it as Bani. Yet people still doubt and say Bhai Sahib wrote that many years ago, and since then people could have added things to Sri Dasam Granth. If thats the case then why are they doubting/denying the previous Jathedar Pooran Jis stance on Sri Dasam Granth. He has clearly regarded all Banis contained as Sri Guru Gobind SIngh Ji in Sri Dasam Granth. This announcement/press statment is available on the net.

This is my last post on this thread. As I have stated I dont want to focus on other peoples life, they know what they think, believe, and did. I am not into Jatha politics nor am I part of any Jatha. I just like the Maryada followed by the Jatha, and I like having Sangat of Naam Abhyiaas Gursikhs. Also, I just wanted to clear matters up so people dont get the wrong impression about California SInghs

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California singhs create a great impression themselves by making up gurmat as they go along, sending people for peshiya when they haven't done a kurhaiet, banning people willy nilly if they don't hold the same view on debatable topics, not following panj pyare hukams on matters and creating their own asool on bans.. umm they seem to remind of the taliban in the strictest form, if you don't agree with us your are out simple as that, we will ban you, disgrace you, and above all make sure that we show who the boss is... to me that is not sign of naam abhyiaasee singhs, for they would have on interest in half of these galan, if you did vichar with 10 akj singshs, half of them wouldn't have a clue about dasam granth, if you discuss one pangti of gurbani they would all most likely come out with a different vichar, in your area you would probably ban the one who doesn't agree with your view !!!! crazy i tell you, just crazy !!!!

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