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JUJHAR SINGH SAID :

without the British singh sabha as well as the AKJ wouldn't have been created. Fact.

without the British, sikhi wouldn't be twisted, we wouldn't have so called 'Scholar's' adhering to a British version of Sikhi. Fact.

without the British, there would be no SikhISM. Fact.

In conclusion, the British ruined a religion/way of life. Fact.

If it wasn't for certain groups, sikhi would be 100% destroyed, those groups cannot be mentioned as people will get their elastic kachere in a twist.

The British ruined a perfect way of life, but our people let it happen.

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without the British singh sabha as well as the AKJ wouldn't have been created. Fact.

without the British, sikhi wouldn't be twisted, we wouldn't have so called 'Scholar's' adhering to a British version of Sikhi. Fact.

without the British, there would be no SikhISM. Fact.

In conclusion, the British ruined a religion/way of life. Fact.

If it wasn't for certain groups, sikhi would be 100% destroyed, those groups cannot be mentioned as people will get their elastic kachere in a twist.

The British ruined a perfect way of life, but our people let it happen.

Total conjecture based on no evidence. Who knows what kind of reform movements would have come about if the kingdom of Lahore had not been destroyed by the British. If you think that most Sikhs especially the religious minded would have allowed manmat such as Sikh visiting Hindu mandirs or sufi shrines, of 'sikh' marriages conducted by Brahmins to remain the norm then you are very much mistaken. Even before the British entered Punjab the Nirankaris had already been created and were reforming Sikhi by resurrecting the Anand Karaj marriage and criticising of caste in the Peshawar area. That's as far as one can get from the British influenced Cis-Satluj area you can get. How come these Sikhs suddenly woke up one day and realised that the Sikhi around them was not the Sikhi preached by the Gurus? Had the British never entered Punjab then it is not beyond the realms of possibility that many reform movements such as the Kukas (without the anti-British bias) might also have come about.

It is a foolish belief to think that just because the British came to Punjab then it was their presence that created the reform movements. Any Sikh with some intelligence will know that the so-called snatan sikhi of the time of Maharaja Ranjit Singh was a Sikhi that had degenerated due to the majority Hindu environment that Sikhs lived in.

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Without the British Sikhism would have been totally wiped of the face of this earth and would have been assimilated in to Hinduism totally.The British at one point even started to photograph Sikhs as the signs were that this faith will diminish and vanish so for records they took pis and made records on the Sikhs.

Had the British not preserved Sikhi we would all be Niddar Nang and his Chele Sanathanists ,had the GREAT SINGH SABHA

movement not been created the idols would have remained in Harmandar Sahib and so would have the Mahants.Had the British not taken over Panjab after the death of Maharaja Ranjit Singh Sikhi would have totally become Hinduism as at the time the Hindu Agents within the Khalsa Raaj weilded the most power,and if the British had not come in they would have had the raj and along with it the finishing off of Sikhism

In a way it is good that our historial artefacts are in Museums in England in temperature controlled rooms and are kept safe and secure,had they been left in the hands of India and the Brahmin regimes that came in they would either be damaged,lost or gone forever.

Although there was a lot of zulam commited by the British this was nothing compared to what India unleashed on Sikhs after 1947.The British at least asserted our seperate identity over the last century furing both World Wars and during their time in India when even British intelliegence reports like the one below showed how Sikhi was being eaten at:

Hinduism has always been hostile to Sikhism whose Gurus powerfully and successfully attacked the principle of caste which is the foundation on which the whole fabric of Brahminism has been reared. The activities of Hindus have, therefore, been constantly directed to undermining of Sikhism both by preventing the children of Sikh father from taking Pahul and reducing professed Sikhs from their allegiance to their faith. Hinduism has strangled Budhism, once a formidable rival to it and it has already made serious inroads into the domain of Sikhism. (D. Petrie, Assistant Director, Criminal Intelligence, Government of British India, Intelligence Report of 11th August, 1911)

It (Hinduism) is like the boa constrictor of the Indian forests. When a petty enemy appears to worry it, it winds round its opponent, crushes it in its folds, and finally causes it to disappear in its capacious interior....Hinduism has embraced Sikhism in its folds; the still comparatively young religion is making a vigorous struggle for life, but its ultimate destruction is, it is apprehended, inevitable without State support." (Max Arthur Macauliffe, 1903)

In terms of technological advances had the British stayed just look at Hong Kong which is further east which they just recently left and gave independece in the 90's.

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In stead of saying "It would've been better if the British never left India.."

Well i think it would be better to say "if would've been better if the British NEVER CAME to india".

The course of Sikh history would be very different if British never came to Hindustan or present day India.

The british raped India literally.

"It would've been better if the British never left India.." An accurate statement?

british raj in india = slavery

indian governments raj in india = slavery

I see your point.

Its a bit like choosing the lesser of 2 evils.

Take your pic.

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Divide and rule only works on those who are too week and allow themselves to be divided & ruled - Simples

At least one good thing came out of he British coming to hindia and thats that they outlawed the disgusting backward religious ritual of saati - where a hindu women would "be instructed by gods" to have to jump (but was usually pushed by men!) on her dead husbands cremation fire

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90% chance that Sikhs will be in good relation with British if they never left Inda. British did try to suppress us by using different tactics but they did realised that sikhs will never be gulaam unlike othrs. Sad is that they understood this only when it was time for them to leave becuase of their heavy defeat type situation during post world war II.

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It was better they left definitely. Tens of millions died in famines, massacres and riots and massive poverty was created in a once prosperous nation. The irrigation system was destroyed and traditional village schools were derecognised. From near total literacy the rate went down to 6%. Most of the current fissures in the subcontinent have their roots in the colonialist days. If it went on longer it would only have been worse.

I'm in total agreement with Jujhar Singh's posts in this thread.

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