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What is it that we should concentrate on while meditating?

the soundddddd....

Where should we concentrate; location of concentration?

no location.... just on Vahegurrrrooooo

The sound of what? How do you concentrate on Vaheguro, what does it look like?

the sound of contunious jaap of vaheguroo gurmantar!

breathe in = VAAAAHEEE

breathe out = gurrrrro

..if ur unsure ...the panj will help you :)

erm, no its not breath in breath out...you shouldn't be telling others the saas giraas method, only panj pyare can.

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From Bandginama

1st Stage

In the initial stage, we should practise Simran by uttering the Divine Name

aloud. But if this fails to result in mental concentration, we might resort to

the beads of the rosary. Subdued utterance of the Divine Name and listening to its sound helps us to concentrate.

At first, the mind does wander and concentration is dicult to attain. In

this tug-of-war, irrelevant thoughts are bound to recur, but one need not

despair:

There is no escape except through Simran.

bin Har bhajan nahi chhutkara

Guru Arjan - Gauri.

This human life is the time to realize God.

Gobind milan ki eih teri baria

Guru Arjan - Asa.

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2nd Stage

Repetition of the Name at times, leads to automatic mental Simran: the

lips cease to move, and yet mental Simran progresses. This induces mental

peace and joy. As we grow spiritually, mental Simran will always, or whenever we so choose, progress unceasingly. The physical aspect of Simran ends, and mental repetition continues from day to day. The external attractions and distractions begin to drop, while mental harmony with Him begins. All the powers of the mind, which were diffused in external objects, begin to be concentrated, through the sweet, soft, mental Simran. The seeker of God perceives a flood of mental peace coursing through his whole being; the mind is at rest, the lips are motionless, and yet mental Simran continues!

Those who are regular in the recitation of Gurbani, especially as a mental

process, taste this joy now and then. But it is far more useful and more

methodical, to get to the stage of mental Simran through the repetition of

Nam. It facilitates the progress to higher stages.

At this stage, if we accustom ourselves to the practice of Simran with our

every breath, it brings much joy. As we inhale, we might mentally utter

"Wah", and "Guru" when we exhale. The lips do not move. This is also

mental Simran, and we practice Nam with our every breath. This is the

second stage of Simran.

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3rd Stage

The Third stage of Nam is marvellous. Mental Simran promotes concentration, and the gentle sound that mental Simran creates within our being becomes more audible. The sounds of the external world are drowned in the sound of mental Simran within. We hear nothing but the music of Simran within. The music is pitched in such a high key that even while travelling in a railway train, moving at full speed, to the man practicing mental Simran, the rattle of the wheels is inaudible.

The spiritual stage gradually continues to advance to such an extent that

we consider even the recitation of mental Simran as super

uous. Then the physical process of Simran ceases, but the mind is in union with God, in a state of poise. Now, both the physical and mental stress of Simran cease, and the mind is perfectly at rest. This is called the Sahej stage, whose peace and bliss defy description.

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the sound of contunious jaap of vaheguroo gurmantar!

breathe in = VAAAAHEEE

breathe out = gurrrrro

..if ur unsure ...the panj will help you :)

erm, no its not breath in breath out...you shouldn't be telling others the saas giraas method, only panj pyare can.

:rolleyes: She just did! Is this what you lot keep 'hidden' :rolleyes: Like Seriously? :rolleyes:

Stop bringing down NAAM to specific technique !!! <_<

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the sound of contunious jaap of vaheguroo gurmantar!

breathe in = VAAAAHEEE

breathe out = gurrrrro

..if ur unsure ...the panj will help you :)

erm, no its not breath in breath out...you shouldn't be telling others the saas giraas method, only panj pyare can.

:rolleyes: She just did! Is this what you lot keep 'hidden' :rolleyes: Like Seriously? :rolleyes:

Stop bringing down NAAM to specific technique !!! <_<

If you have taken amrit, you should know only panj pyare can tell others the technique for saas giraas. Prabhjyot has the same saas giraas method as me, thats how i know she explained it wrong. :)

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:rolleyes: She just did! Is this what you lot keep 'hidden' :rolleyes: Like Seriously? :rolleyes:

Stop bringing down NAAM to specific technique !!! <_<

a little kindness and respect goes a long way bhaji.

may i ask who you refer to when you say "you lot"..this is not a jugti belonging to a particular group of people.

to the original poster, do waheguru simran at amritvela and concentrate on the dhunni (as others have already mentioned).

if you are not amritdhari, then the panj pyaareh and the panj pyaareh ONLY, can give you naam dhrir at your amrit sanchaar. there is a lot more to it than just saying "from now on this is how you physically repeat the gurmantar" anyone who has had naam dhrir will know this =)

just a general note: can we please take care when replying to such topics. naam is way beyond our limited understanding, so we should try to remain humble in these discussions.

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GuesT,

These sounds (echos) you hear...not everyone experiences these, and it can only be a good thing i.e. progression wise. There is no need to feel frightened by your experiences etc, just carry on.

The main thing for you is even when listening to keertan you should keep the jaap of ''vaheguroo'' constant in with you breath. There is a particular way to do it which the panj piarey teach you, however, even this proper jugti is being lost (even within akj). With this method there is much more ras (spiritual taste) experienced in the dasanm dvaar. There are only a few places where this method is given . . . There are a few places in India and one in Toronto.

Concentrating on Guru Nanaks charan is to concentrate on Naam (CHARAN KAMAL KEE MAOJ MEH, RAHO ANT AR AADH). Concentrating on a make-believe image in your mind or concentrating on a picture is opposite of Gurmat, and so its Man-matt.

Concentrate on VAHGRUOO NAAM ...... FOCUS ON THE SOUND CURRENT.

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Don't get caught up in this stuff about naam dhrir. It's just something used by one specific jatha as advertising. Baba Thakur Singh ji bhindrenwale and Sant Jagjit Singh ji Harkhowalwale have both told me there is no need for naam dhrir. It is a mechanical technique taught by the punj of this one jatha (and apparently a ''few smaller jathas'' as well). Naam is beyond these mechanical techniques. Soormay and Mahapurks from the sampradas don't accept it as required. If you believe in it, fine for you, but it is not the puratan technique seeing as how the sampradas, who actually have the purataaan links to the past, don't accept it as the ''only best way''. bhul chuk maaf, I don't mean to hurt feelings, but it is the truth.

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Don't get caught up in this stuff about naam dhrir. It's just something used by one specific jatha as advertising. Baba Thakur Singh ji bhindrenwale and Sant Jagjit Singh ji Harkhowalwale have both told me there is no need for naam dhrir. It is a mechanical technique taught by the punj of this one jatha (and apparently a ''few smaller jathas'' as well). Naam is beyond these mechanical techniques. Soormay and Mahapurks from the sampradas don't accept it as required. If you believe in it, fine for you, but it is not the puratan technique seeing as how the sampradas, who actually have the purataaan links to the past, don't accept it as the ''only best way''. bhul chuk maaf, I don't mean to hurt feelings, but it is the truth.

lol i am agree with Sun singh paaji...

if one reads gurbani by heart, with love .. naam goes automatic... the actual way guru maharaj told us :D and its the easiest way by reading gurbani as much as possible and when one reads bani from heart he feels to do naam simran more and more it works like fuel to fire... bt nowadays people even say u dont need to do nitnem bas naam jappo lol dasam duar khol lao ji.. bhul chuk maaf

so one have to meditate on gurmantar bt both gurbani and simran goes together ....

gurbwxI suix mYlu gvwey ]

gurabaanee sun mail gavaaeae ||

Listening to the Word of Gurbani, filth is washed off,

shjy hir nwmu mMin vswey ]1] rhwau ]

sehajae har naam ma(n)n vasaaeae ||1|| rehaao ||

and they naturally enshrine the Lord's Name in their minds. ||1||Pause||

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Don't get caught up in this stuff about naam dhrir. It's just something used by one specific jatha as advertising. Baba Thakur Singh ji bhindrenwale and Sant Jagjit Singh ji Harkhowalwale have both told me there is no need for naam dhrir. It is a mechanical technique taught by the punj of this one jatha (and apparently a ''few smaller jathas'' as well). Naam is beyond these mechanical techniques. Soormay and Mahapurks from the sampradas don't accept it as required. If you believe in it, fine for you, but it is not the puratan technique seeing as how the sampradas, who actually have the purataaan links to the past, don't accept it as the ''only best way''. bhul chuk maaf, I don't mean to hurt feelings, but it is the truth.

If you havent personally experienced Naam Dhrir then how can you discredit it. Bhai Randhir SIngh Ji a true saint scholar in his book Anhat Shabad Dasam Duar talks about Naam Dhrir given by Panj Pyaarey.It cant be given by any"Sant Baba " it can only be given by Panj Pyaarey. All sampradas including Rara Sahib mention a technique of Naam Simran. WHen doing Naam Simran one reaches certain stages Basanti , Para, etc. Panj Pyaaray teach you to reach the stage in which eventually the breath gets reversed and rises upward and you do automatic Ajap Jap Naam simran. These things are mentoined in Gurbani. How can you deny Gurbani?

rI klvwir gvwir mUF miq aulto pvnu iPrwvau ]

ree kalavaar gavaar moodt math oulatto pavan firaavo ||

You barbaric brute, with your primitive intellect - reverse your breath and turn it inward.

mnu mqvwr myr sr BwTI AMimRq Dwr cuAwvau ]1]

man mathavaar maer sar bhaat(h)ee a(n)mrith dhhaar chuaavo ||1||

Let your mind be intoxicated with the stream of Ambrosial Nectar which trickles down from the furnace of the Tenth Gate. ||1||

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Don't get caught up in this stuff about naam dhrir. It's just something used by one specific jatha as advertising. Baba Thakur Singh ji bhindrenwale and Sant Jagjit Singh ji Harkhowalwale have both told me there is no need for naam dhrir. It is a mechanical technique taught by the punj of this one jatha (and apparently a ''few smaller jathas'' as well). Naam is beyond these mechanical techniques. Soormay and Mahapurks from the sampradas don't accept it as required. If you believe in it, fine for you, but it is not the puratan technique seeing as how the sampradas, who actually have the purataaan links to the past, don't accept it as the ''only best way''. bhul chuk maaf, I don't mean to hurt feelings, but it is the truth.

lol i am agree with Sun singh paaji...

if one reads gurbani by heart, with love .. naam goes automatic... the actual way guru maharaj told us :D and its the easiest way by reading gurbani as much as possible and when one reads bani from heart he feels to do naam simran more and more it works like fuel to fire... bt nowadays people even say u dont need to do nitnem bas naam jappo lol dasam duar khol lao ji.. bhul chuk maaf

so one have to meditate on gurmantar bt both gurbani and simran goes together ....

gurbwxI suix mYlu gvwey ]

gurabaanee sun mail gavaaeae ||

Listening to the Word of Gurbani, filth is washed off,

shjy hir nwmu mMin vswey ]1] rhwau ]

sehajae har naam ma(n)n vasaaeae ||1|| rehaao ||

and they naturally enshrine the Lord's Name in their minds. ||1||Pause||

Nitnem gives us instructions to do Naam Japna. At the end of the day its Naam Simran that will open the Dasam Duar.

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