Sikh Religion And Quantum Physics

[Malhicarinder]

QUANTUM FIELD THEORY

The famous double slit experiment used a set of single electrons (particles) fired one after the other through 2 slits. The result was an interference pattern which is characteristic of a wave and not a particle. This implied that each single electron would go through both slits; through no slits; through just the left slit and through just the right all at the same time!

Quantum field theory explains this by stating that matter is neither a wave nor a particle. It is something more abstract and could be considered as a simultaneous co-existence of all possibilities. This leads to the idea of superposition i.e. all possibilities potentially existing at the same time.

The sikh scripture mentions the idea of superposition as being an intrinsic part of creation and the creator.

"You have thousands of eyes, and yet you have no eyes. You have thousands of forms, and yet you do not have even one. You have thousands of lotus feet, and yet you do not have even one foot. You have no nose, but you have thousands of noses. This play of yours entrances me."

"He himself is formless, and also formed; the one lord is without attributes, and also with attributes."

"At the same time, he is both hidden and revealed. For the spiritually wise, doubt and fear are dispelled."

Another finding from the famous double slit experiment was that when scientists put cameras at each of the slits to observe the actual slit through which any given electron was passing through they discovered that the electrons behaved like particles and created only 2 bands on a screen instead of an interference pattern! So matter behaved differently when interacting with thoughts or the mind.

The sikh scripture also goes further to mention that mind or consciousness and matter are interchangeable and that the spirit of God rests within both.

"You yourself are conscious of your creation."

"Wherever i look, i see the lord pervading there, in the union of consciousness and matter."

"The distinction between mind and matter has been destroyed, and the darkness has been dispelled."

"He himself is mind, and he himself is matter."

[Khaalis]

Thes neophyte trend of reconciling Aad Sri Guru Granth Sahib with sansaari subjects like Physiscs and even Jurisprudence (as some like to believe the Guru is a book of exoteric laws), is the height of Kalyug - people totaly bypass the greatness of the 'Atmik Marg' and keep trying to make Guru 'useful' through creating what are not acually very imaginitive theories trying to reconcile Nirgun/Sargun parm-atma with flipping particle behaviour - what a distraction from the true aarth if ever there was one!

[humkire]

Thes neophyte trend of reconciling Aad Sri Guru Granth Sahib with sansaari subjects like Physiscs and even Jurisprudence (as some like to believe the Guru is a book of exoteric laws), is the height of Kalyug - people totaly bypass the greatness of the 'Atmik Marg' and keep trying to make Guru 'useful' through creating what are not acually very imaginitive theories trying to reconcile Nirgun/Sargun parm-atma with flipping particle behaviour - what a distraction from the true aarth if ever there was one!

well said!

a good thorough reading of RAMKALI MEHLA 1 ,SIDH GOST (p938-946) helps distinguish between the physical and Naam/Shabad realms,their characteristics and origins

[cool water]

QUANTUM FIELD THEORY

The famous double slit experiment used a set of single electrons (particles) fired one after the other through 2 slits. The result was an interference pattern which is characteristic of a wave and not a particle. This implied that each single electron would go through both slits; through no slits; through just the left slit and through just the right all at the same time!

Quantum field theory explains this by stating that matter is neither a wave nor a particle. It is something more abstract and could be considered as a simultaneous co-existence of all possibilities. This leads to the idea of superposition i.e. all possibilities potentially existing at the same time.

The sikh scripture mentions the idea of superposition as being an intrinsic part of creation and the creator.

"You have thousands of eyes, and yet you have no eyes. You have thousands of forms, and yet you do not have even one. You have thousands of lotus feet, and yet you do not have even one foot. You have no nose, but you have thousands of noses. This play of yours entrances me."

"He himself is formless, and also formed; the one lord is without attributes, and also with attributes."

"At the same time, he is both hidden and revealed. For the spiritually wise, doubt and fear are dispelled."

Another finding from the famous double slit experiment was that when scientists put cameras at each of the slits to observe the actual slit through which any given electron was passing through they discovered that the electrons behaved like particles and created only 2 bands on a screen instead of an interference pattern! So matter behaved differently when interacting with thoughts or the mind.

The sikh scripture also goes further to mention that mind or consciousness and matter are interchangeable and that the spirit of God rests within both.

"You yourself are conscious of your creation."

"Wherever i look, i see the lord pervading there, in the union of consciousness and matter."

"The distinction between mind and matter has been destroyed, and the darkness has been dispelled."

"He himself is mind, and he himself is matter."

Modern science slowly catching up to the enlightened wisdom of our guru sahibs who knew all this centuries ago while the people in europe were pondering whether earth is still flat or round.

[socratus]

Quantum entanglement.

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Feynman said " I think I can safely say that nobody

understands quantum mechanics "

It was said because nobody took into consideration

the geometrical form of particles

There isnt Physics without particles

There arent particles without geometrical forms

Question

What physical and geometrical parameters can have

' virtual particles ' in Vacuum ?

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About Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle

Take electron - symbol (e)

Take proton - symbol (p)

They are absolute different particles.

And interaction between electron and proton

is not the same than interaction between

proton and electron :

ep ≠ pe ( Uncertainty principle )

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Another example:

A thing called shoe and a thing called sock along with

the operator and which combines shoe and sock things.

If you play around with it, you will find

that the order is fairly important

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Best wishes.

Israel Sadovnik. / Socratus.

http://www.physforum...pic=23624&st=15

http://www.physforum...pic=2547&st=105

http://www.physforum...?showtopic=2548

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[socratus]

Why is Quantum Theory paradoxical ?

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The theory which we call Quantum Mechanics is very strange.

Because when we are talking about mechanics it means that we can

imagine and see this process visually. But QM came with no visual

aids, no model to picture in one's mind. Now this theory is a purely

mathematical formalism, difficult to use and impossible to visualize.

It simply gives the right answers to the most complicated theoretical

question. Such situation satisfy maybe 99% of physicists.

But there are few physicists who don't agree with this situation.

They want to understand QT without paradoxes.

I consider that these paradoxes are connected with only one reason:

" Nobody pays attention to the geometrical form of particles".

Now the physicists follow "pure" mathematicians.

"Since the mathematical physicists have taken over,

theoretical physics has gone to pot. The bizarre concepts generated

out of the over use and misinterpretation of mathematics would be

funny if it were not for the tragedy of the waste in time, manpower,

money, and the resulting misdirection." - - said Richard Feynman.

There is difference between "pure" mathematics and the mathematics

of theoretical physics.

" Pure" mathematics is infinite and the mathematics of theoretical

physics is limited by natural laws. The "pure" mathematicians have

all rights to create and use abstract models ( point, line …etc)

Physicists must use mathematical apparatus in connection with real

objects, with real particles. And they forgot about this fact.

For example.

1. In thermodynamics particles are "mathematical points",

2. In QT particles are "mathematical points",

3. In SRT, particles are points. But according SRT the

"mathematical point", cannot be a firm "mathematical point" .

It means it is a "elastic point", which can change its form. ( ??!! ).

4. When this "mathematical elastic point" flies with speed c=1

its form become a flat circle, not a " mathematical point"

flying with speed c=1.

5. In QED an electron is an elastic sphere, which can change its form. ( ??!! ).

6. The power, impulse, linear and angular momentum in physics is

also a " mathematical point".

7. Then one "mathematical point" /particle/ interacts with another

"mathematical point" / power, impulse / the physicists say:

" The micro-world is paradoxical."

8. If physicists think about a particle as a " mathematical point"

the result can be only paradoxical. And I am sure if somebody

takes into consideration the geometrical form of particle the

paradoxes of QT will disappear.

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In an Italian railway station:

It was more then two hours 'till the departure of the train.

I went to the café and ordered a cup of coffee. Soon two men

and a very beautiful, slim woman took a place opposite me.

They ordered something to drink and one of the man opened

a case of violin and took out a bow. He began to explain

something about the bow, carefully and gently touching it.

Then another man took this bow and also enthusiastically

continued this conversation. For half an hour the bow was passed

from one hands to another followed with enthusiastic discussion.

And the beautiful woman looked at bow, at both these men without

saying a word. For half an hour I watched this group with admiration

and excitement. What a class! What a cultural level!

What a beauty!

And now let's imagine the bow pressed into a "mathematical point"

and the musicians speak seriously about a "mathematical point"

which must produce a sound from a violin.

Everybody will say I describe an idiotic situation.

Well, I agree.

But why doesn't anybody say it to physicists when they observe

an elementary particle as a "mathematical point" , without paying

attention to its geometrical form.

When Feynman said "I think I can safely say that nobody

understands quantum mechanics." it was only because nobody took

into consideration the geometrical form of a particle.

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Best wishes.

Israel Sadovnik. / Socratus.

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[Deletedkp]

Bhagavad Gita also has very similar teachings about science of Self Realisation. When compared to Sri Adh Granth, you see a number of similarities or in my opinion very alike in spiritual teaching.

[Khaalis]

Not just Bhagvat Gita but many Indic traditions have already propogated the vidya of an all pervading creator - who is Sargun/Nirgun, and of the atma being no different to parmatma even though they appear to exist on a different plane to our meagre minds.

He is the Fisherman and he is the fish.

[raj_karega_khalsa]

http://www.tapoban.org/forum/read.php?1,6033

go midway to the post titled Naam - Where theory of relativity and quantum physics fails...

[socratus]

John Polkinghorne and his book ' Quantum theory'.

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I like to read his books because they raise many questions.

And these questions give information for brain to think.

John Polkinghorne took epigraph of his book ' Quantum theory'

the Feynman's thought : ' I think I can safely say that

nobody understands quantum mechanics. '

Why?

Because, he wrote:

' ,we do not understand the theory as fully as we should.

We shall see in what follows that important interpretative

issues remain unresolved. They will demand for their

eventual settlement not only physical insight but also

metaphysical decision '.

/ preface/

' Serious interpretative problems remain unresolved,

and these are the subject of continuing dispute'

/ page 40/

' If the study of quantum physics teaches one anything,

it is that the world is full of surprises'

/ page 87 /

' Metaphysical criteria that the scientific community take

very seriously in assessing the weight to put on a theory

include: . . . .'

/ page 88 /

'Quantum theory is certainly strange and surprising, . . .'

/ page92 /

' Wave / particle duality is a highly surprising and

instructive phenomenon, . .'

/ page 92 /

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Togetherness.

John Polkinghorne, as a realist, want to know

' what the physical world is actually like', but until now

physicists don't have the whole picture of Universe.

And in my opinion John Polkinghorne was right writing

what to understand the problems of creating the Universe:

' They will demand for their eventual settlement not only

physical insight but also metaphysical decision '.

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Best wishes.

Israel Sadovnik. / Socratus.

http://www.wbabin.ne...ts/sadovnik.htm

http://www.physforum...pic=23624&st=15

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