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Sangat Ji,

I feel it is important for the Sikh Channel to know the views of others due to the beadbi of Maharajs Roop they are allowing.

The advert for the "Childrens program" the Bibi posing as the "Mom" wears a read dastar. As this is not a Khalsa colour, why wear it so it makes others think this is an accepted colour to the Khalsa? We try to preach to non sikhs when they see our wedding photos why we do not wear red but instead blue and white and why we do not wear red dastars but if the "Keep it Free for the Non Sikh Viewers" see this, it raises questions and as do all people, if they see something on the TV, it means more to them then someone saying something.

Secondly, the bibi doing the show this morning, wore a pink dastar!?! And then had makeup on aswel? Please can someone correct me, but i have always been taught by Gursikhs, at camps, in the gurdwara sahib makeup is wrong? Please can this now be confirmed?!?

The "Sikh channel" really does NOT seem to be showing the correct image of the Sikhs which this level of Maharajs Roop being disrespeted.

Sikh Channel, please correct this actions. I did email you but i did not receive any response.

My apologies if there are any bibia on here who feel it is ok to wear a dastar and makeup or multi coloured fashion statement dastars. As a abibi myself, i feel this is not the way forward. We want to be "Amritdhari" and wear Dastars but more importantly, want to dress like manmukhs and disrespect the image of the Khalsa with painting our faces to make ourselves feel pretty.

While i mention this, please sikh channel, "PLEASE FORGET TO TAKE OF THE NOTICE ABOUT NOT FORGETTING TO SET UP A DIRECT DEBIT". If your channel is supposed to be continuous, maharaj will himself provide enough funding without you constantly forcing people to feel the need to donate. See there is a difference between donate and setting up a direct debit. You can post it on your website, not leave a notice and run special shows just on how to fill in the damn form. Im sure, we all know how to fill in our details seeing as we have to fill them in for just about anything we do in todays world.

My apologies Sangat Ji, the nature of the channel constantly requestin money and now seeing how they are allowing bibis to potray the dastar, is more so putting me off watching the channel full stop. From watching daily, i know only flick over for Sukhmani sahib at 12pm and occasionaly if i get a call to say there is nice Katha / Keertan on the live show. I really have lost interest in watching the channel as all i see is the continuous degrading of Sikhi - TO BEG FOR MONEY.

Baba Nand Singh Ji, Nanaksarwale, enforced his chellay had no money at all while doing seva with him. No money for food, no money for the Gurdwara sahib nothing. They were not allowed to have money at all. The reason why? Because he had full faith in maharaj that only he can provide what he needs. We have stooped to just begging for money. It makes me think, what has Sikhi now become.

The channel is good, i like the idea, just not the begging and displaying of the Khalsa image.

WJKK WJKF

Sangat Ji,

I feel it is important for the Sikh Channel to know the views of others due to the beadbi of Maharajs Roop they are allowing.

The advert for the "Childrens program" the Bibi posing as the "Mom" wears a read dastar. As this is not a Khalsa colour, why wear it so it makes others think this is an accepted colour to the Khalsa? We try to preach to non sikhs when they see our wedding photos why we do not wear red but instead blue and white and why we do not wear red dastars but if the "Keep it Free for the Non Sikh Viewers" see this, it raises questions and as do all people, if they see something on the TV, it means more to them then someone saying something.

Secondly, the bibi doing the show this morning, wore a pink dastar!?! And then had makeup on aswel? Please can someone correct me, but i have always been taught by Gursikhs, at camps, in the gurdwara sahib makeup is wrong? Please can this now be confirmed?!?

The "Sikh channel" really does NOT seem to be showing the correct image of the Sikhs which this level of Maharajs Roop being disrespeted.

Sikh Channel, please correct this actions. I did email you but i did not receive any response.

My apologies if there are any bibia on here who feel it is ok to wear a dastar and makeup or multi coloured fashion statement dastars. As a abibi myself, i feel this is not the way forward. We want to be "Amritdhari" and wear Dastars but more importantly, want to dress like manmukhs and disrespect the image of the Khalsa with painting our faces to make ourselves feel pretty.

While i mention this, please sikh channel, "PLEASE FORGET TO TAKE OF THE NOTICE ABOUT NOT FORGETTING TO SET UP A DIRECT DEBIT". If your channel is supposed to be continuous, maharaj will himself provide enough funding without you constantly forcing people to feel the need to donate. See there is a difference between donate and setting up a direct debit. You can post it on your website, not leave a notice and run special shows just on how to fill in the damn form. Im sure, we all know how to fill in our details seeing as we have to fill them in for just about anything we do in todays world.

My apologies Sangat Ji, the nature of the channel constantly requestin money and now seeing how they are allowing bibis to potray the dastar, is more so putting me off watching the channel full stop. From watching daily, i know only flick over for Sukhmani sahib at 12pm and occasionaly if i get a call to say there is nice Katha / Keertan on the live show. I really have lost interest in watching the channel as all i see is the continuous degrading of Sikhi - TO BEG FOR MONEY.

Baba Nand Singh Ji, Nanaksarwale, enforced his chellay had no money at all while doing seva with him. No money for food, no money for the Gurdwara sahib nothing. They were not allowed to have money at all. The reason why? Because he had full faith in maharaj that only he can provide what he needs. We have stooped to just begging for money. It makes me think, what has Sikhi now become.

The channel is good, i like the idea, just not the begging and displaying of the Khalsa image.

I don’t think you have any right to judge other people. If you have come onto a forum to put people down then what does that say about your Sikhi and how far your mentality reaches. Sikhi also teaches you are meant to stay HUMBLE and should never JUDGE others… If a person feels comfortable in what they wear and how they look they should be allowed to live,,,,, the thing you can do is NOT DO IT YOURSELF IF IT UPSETS YOU THAT MUCH…but leave others alone as they are on their separate path to yours…HOW DARE YOU Be personal to ANYBODY….THIS IS NOT WHAT SIKHI TEACHES…. Yes I do realise that it seems as though I am doing the same thing but I am a non Amrit Dhari who is trying very hard to take Amrit but things like this makes it that much harder and is making me take steps backwards not closer to it..

As for putting the Sikh Channel down I would love to see you pay £50,000 out of your own pocket each month just so its kept free for the Sikh Community.. You say you watch it,, but fail to remember that this channel is for the youth of today and tomorrow so instead of supporting it you put it down. I would love to know why you watch it then. There is people out there who want to support the channel and put in towards it,,, SEWA!!! Just so its kept running for free for people like you to watch and if you really do have that much of a bad opinion of the channel and the sewedar that do take their time out and help to keep it running then don’t watch it.. And carry on watching TV,,,

Sangat Ji,

I feel it is important for the Sikh Channel to know the views of others due to the beadbi of Maharajs Roop they are allowing.

The advert for the "Childrens program" the Bibi posing as the "Mom" wears a read dastar. As this is not a Khalsa colour, why wear it so it makes others think this is an accepted colour to the Khalsa? We try to preach to non sikhs when they see our wedding photos why we do not wear red but instead blue and white and why we do not wear red dastars but if the "Keep it Free for the Non Sikh Viewers" see this, it raises questions and as do all people, if they see something on the TV, it means more to them then someone saying something.

Secondly, the bibi doing the show this morning, wore a pink dastar!?! And then had makeup on aswel? Please can someone correct me, but i have always been taught by Gursikhs, at camps, in the gurdwara sahib makeup is wrong? Please can this now be confirmed?!?

The "Sikh channel" really does NOT seem to be showing the correct image of the Sikhs which this level of Maharajs Roop being disrespeted.

Sikh Channel, please correct this actions. I did email you but i did not receive any response.

My apologies if there are any bibia on here who feel it is ok to wear a dastar and makeup or multi coloured fashion statement dastars. As a abibi myself, i feel this is not the way forward. We want to be "Amritdhari" and wear Dastars but more importantly, want to dress like manmukhs and disrespect the image of the Khalsa with painting our faces to make ourselves feel pretty.

While i mention this, please sikh channel, "PLEASE FORGET TO TAKE OF THE NOTICE ABOUT NOT FORGETTING TO SET UP A DIRECT DEBIT". If your channel is supposed to be continuous, maharaj will himself provide enough funding without you constantly forcing people to feel the need to donate. See there is a difference between donate and setting up a direct debit. You can post it on your website, not leave a notice and run special shows just on how to fill in the damn form. Im sure, we all know how to fill in our details seeing as we have to fill them in for just about anything we do in todays world.

My apologies Sangat Ji, the nature of the channel constantly requestin money and now seeing how they are allowing bibis to potray the dastar, is more so putting me off watching the channel full stop. From watching daily, i know only flick over for Sukhmani sahib at 12pm and occasionaly if i get a call to say there is nice Katha / Keertan on the live show. I really have lost interest in watching the channel as all i see is the continuous degrading of Sikhi - TO BEG FOR MONEY.

Baba Nand Singh Ji, Nanaksarwale, enforced his chellay had no money at all while doing seva with him. No money for food, no money for the Gurdwara sahib nothing. They were not allowed to have money at all. The reason why? Because he had full faith in maharaj that only he can provide what he needs. We have stooped to just begging for money. It makes me think, what has Sikhi now become.

The channel is good, i like the idea, just not the begging and displaying of the Khalsa image.

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Yes I do realise that it seems as though I am doing the same thing but I am a non Amrit Dhari who is trying very hard to take Amrit but things like this makes it that much harder and is making me take steps backwards not closer to it..

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So, bhenji, If there were a 1000 amrit dhari's judging, mocking or making fun of others, would that make you take another 1000 steps back? As far as judging anyone, it takes time to throw away this habit. Doesn't mean once your amritdhari you will shine with good virtues. It takes time in whatever we do to adapt in certain situations.

As to the rest of your post, the Sikh channel (presently) is not broadcasting. Yeah you've guess it, donations. We must remember, whenever we start something enormous there will be huge obstacles. By struggling and then identifying our way past these set backs will only make us stronger. In the same way this is the first ever Sikh channel in the WORLD, it's bound to get so many flaws. Patience is the key my friend.

Bhul chul maaf

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It's a massive shame for the 700,000 strong Sikh community, comprising of around 200,000 families, and possibly one of the most successful, affluent, flaunting communities in the UK who can build spectacular Gurdwaras in the region of £15 million, spend £100,000 on our daughters weddings, own brand new Bentleys, Mercs and BMWs.

We talk about the lack of progression and when someone does actually do something proactive we criticize, suspect, accuse and refuse to support them. As many say, we are responsible for weighting ourselves down.

If we want this medium to exist then we need to feel strong enough to get our extended families, our relative, friends and local sangat to set up direct debits in order to support this sewa.

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Yes I do realise that it seems as though I am doing the same thing but I am a non Amrit Dhari who is trying very hard to take Amrit but things like this makes it that much harder and is making me take steps backwards not closer to it..

Sikhi is about humility, does that mean we simply kiss the feet of those who slaughter our faith? I am a culprit for breaking this rule. I must beg forgiveness. Being an Amritdhari doesnt mean you have to be a wimp for the rest of your life. It means, yes you are humble and accept maharajs hukham. That is the humility maharajs talks about. Living in the charan of others. To do seva of the panth. This is humility. To hide away and not say when something is wrong, is cowardly.

There are Sakhis i remember listening to when i was finding my path to Sikhi and they stick with me to this day such as - The moghals said no one can ride a horse but them, so the Sikhs rode horses. They Said no one but a King can wear the Kalgi, So Maharaj wore the Kalgi. Singhs set up toll booths and taxed the mogals for using the road rather then paying the taxes which were forced upon them. All these Khalsa sikhs had humility - in the sense maharaj wished them to.

I can only believe according to your mentality this was incorrect of Maharaj and the Khalsa as they were not humble enough to accept the humility you speak off.

Penji, Life is full of hurdles, you get over them. If something like this puts you away from Sikhi, then you need to make it stronger in better sangat. Watching "Amritdharis" behave like regular persons on the street is whats pushes me away from Sikhi - hence now days, i avoid just about everywhere where there is a bunch of youth as those are the ones with the Hero Sikhi mentality that they believe is correct.

As to the rest of your post, the Sikh channel (presently) is not broadcasting. Yeah you've guess it, donations. We must remember, whenever we start something enormous there will be huge obstacles. By struggling and then identifying our way past these set backs will only make us stronger. In the same way this is the first ever Sikh channel in the WORLD, it's bound to get so many flaws. Patience is the key my friend.

Bhul chul maaf

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Does sky give a free allowance to broadcast only text? If the channel is not broadcasting the regular slots one can only assume this?

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It's a massive shame .........

Total behsti. However, I think their advertising/publicity campaign has been really poor. Even now, they are relying on the channel to reach enough people to get sufficient funds rather than making presentations at Gurudwaras on busy days etc. If they had worked with the organisers of the Parkash 2009 programme, they could have easily collected over £10000, there was so much sangat. There are also a few popular parchaaraks in the UK at the moment like Sant Ranjit Singh, Gyani Takhur Singh ji who could have been asked to promote the channel, but this wasn't done.

I hope they survive - losing it due to lack of community support is shameful for all of us in the UK.

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i just wanna share my opinion if it is of any value .

I run a business as most you here alredy know. when i 1st started outin 1996 ,i was penniless but i knew i needed enuff money to make it run for at least the 1st 6 months,whatever happened so that in the meantime i could earn enough to pay the expenses for the next 6 months and so forth . so i borrowed from different places to the tune of about 10,000 or more ,which i duly paid back in 3 years and my business is still running after 13 years.

My point is ,yes i am proud there is a sikh channel and etc etc . i understand its run as a charity too . however you dont just start something without proper financial planning then run into problems after 30 -50 days!!! thats very very bad planning .

You know this is a media project thats going to be very costly . so, ahead, as you start planning to have such a channel ,rightaway you appoint an important team looking after finances . you draw into this team a bunch of people who are wealthy to start with . This team needs to have an objective of raising at least the 1st year's expenses . For that you draw up strategies ,you identify and target different sets of contributors . for example a huge conference coould have been held of all gurudwara presidents in UK and the jathedar of akal takht etc could have been invited where a financial committment is made from every gurudwara etc . different sets of contributors too could have been paced to kick in at different stages .e.g the 1st year could have been set aside to build a large following of individual donors to follow an intial committment from gurudwaras and wealthier individuals . further projects could have been set off in time to ensure a stable revenue . thats how you do it ,not just something randomly that run under within 30 days . that sounds amateurish as much as it sounds honourable .

One big reason khalsa won the moghuls was because all the main players/power brokers/warlords from every misl sat together in a big diwan and they took collective decisions. You cannot just have a tiny team of people kicking off a mega project of this size on their own initiative . you do need to work out the different sets of players you need to engage and you need to involve sikh leadership at all levels so there is common consensus for its success.

it is not difficult but what it requires is strategy,direction ,focus and proper project management so a systematic methodology is adopted ,people organised into different teams and the whole thing becomes one success after another . im not even sure whether this channel was available on the different means of watching tv apart from satellite such as cable ,internet ,freeview etc .

anyway lets hope lessons have been learned early enough ,the appeal for money is successful

and sangat rallies together and Gurujee blesses this project.

If i was in charge of this project then based on my experience i would do the following rightaway,

1) have different teams of people looking after different areas .this would include a)finance b)accounting c)marketing and publicity d)technology and broadcasting e)admin f) program organisation . all of these teams would work in coordination and be answearable to 5 piaras overlooking the entire running of the sikh channel project

2) to organise a huge diwan rightaway of every sikh gurudwara/organisation in UK of their top brass ,where the main takht jathedars would pressure them to back this project financially ,get their cheque books out and write out their 1st cheques rightaway .

3) to be identifying , targetting , ringing around,writing to and contacting wealthy sikhs all over the world to quickly contribute to the project asap

The support of individual donor families setting up direct debits is of course vital but that happens over time as people get used to switching to channel 840 and a sense of committment and responsibility slowly builds up. you cannot justset up anew channel and then expect everyone to start switching over to it and setting up direct debits immediately . that is a time consuming affair as the owners of punjab radio ,sukhsagar,amrit bani radio have all painfully found out over the past few years ,at least thats what they have all revealed to me individually .

Most of all, such projects to succeed need 2 key ingredients, i.e a)to get all the jethabandhis and sangat behind you in support asap and above all, b)a lot of humble amritvela ardas with a lot,lot ,lot ,lot ,lots of big ,big ,big tears . gurbani says the cry of a humble ant in pain is heard better in heaven than the proud trumpeting sound of an elephant.

One thing i have learnt is that Gurjee's kirpa is so unpredictable . Just on the day you are short of something and feeling dumped by God ,money can appear from sources you could never have thought of,again a lesson the main sikh radio channel guys have learnt through my observations. Money is a strange thing as i have learned in my business .it can exist in places you could not have imagined with your MBA degree ,it can melt before your very eyes but also manifest from unimaginable sources . Gurbani says an ant can become a king and a king can become dust, and in a split second a king into a pauper and a bankrupt into a king . Its all in the palms of the Master ,he gives as and to who He desires ,in whichever way He chooses .

The organisers of sikh channel have to plan finances as if everything depends on their hard work ,but have to depend on Gurujee as if everything depends on Gurujee. Dont just ask people to give you money ,ask people to pray for your success.

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red dastaar looks wicked.

btw since when did colors became soo important????

Khalsa colors for Dastar consist of BLue, Black, Orange, and White every other color is not part of Khalsa Uniform. I think these colors are good to wear they are simple colors. Why pink,red, green, are too flashy.

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There are also a few popular parchaaraks in the UK at the moment like Sant Ranjit Singh, Gyani Takhur Singh ji who could have been asked to promote the channel, but this wasn't done.

Actually, Sant Ranjit Singh ji has started to promote the Sikh channel at his Diwaan's.

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Forgive me if i have misquoted but i cant check the quote coz im at work!....

"Says Bhai Nand Lal those who wear red, Guru Gobind Singh will send them the Angels of Death"

I think there's always going to be a difference in opinion with regards to colours etc...IMHO whatever the panj pyarai tell you is what you should be going with....

I believe that a true gursikh is one that is simple in everyway....we have so many examples of past chardhi kalaa gursikhs....Baba Harnam Singh Ji, Sant Jarnail Singh Bhindranwalai, Bhai Randhir Singh Ji, Giani Thakur Singh Ji, Bhai Rama Singh Ji etc etc....and so many today, such as Baba Seva Singh Ji, Sant Ranjit Singh Ji, Bhai Jeevan Singh Ji etc etc.... If i'm correct you haven't seen any of the mentioned wear any colours other than Khalsa colours.....I remember asking one learned gursikh about colours and they said that sometimes people want to wear different colours to express their moods, or to relate it to fashion etc etc....but these things take you away from Gurmat because you are so aware of them.... They said that it's best to immerse yourself in Gurbani, try to do vichaar then you will learn what simplicity is all about....

Colours can have a significant affect on you too. I'm sure everyone has heard of sayings such as, 'Green with Envy' and 'Red Hot!' and so fourth etc....but if you're the kind of person that doesn't get affected by colours then obviously this isn't true...

I love to look up to the examples of past and present chardi kalaa gursikhs and i see how simple they were and are.....and the only dodgy one i've seen wearing pink, purple and all the colours from the sun was that 'Ram Rahim Gurmeet' bloke from Juthaa Sauda!!

Each to their own though i say :)

and any UK sangat reading this...have YOU set-up a DD yet??..if not then please do asap and keep sikhchannel free :)

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