Was The Vieina Shootings Right

[g5johal]

i think that the vieina shootings was right becuase a fakester got killed they take the mick out of our gurus and make a mockery of the sikhs when next people think there are god. i think we need to remove all of these fake babeh n only bow down our heads to sri guru granth sahib ji radha somais naamdharis n the rest theres loads we need to stop these or there fake gurus need to be delt with with like the niarknari guru in 1984 he got what he desvered n darshan dass in the late 80s they got what they deserved. i ant got a problem with the people but these fakesters take the mick out of our gurus calling them selves higher then sri guru granth sahib ji n tying to be the same level as our 10 masters nobody can be like them they are unique

[ladli-fauj]

Your Right Bro... All THese Ppl Saying Tht Killings Were Wrong, but No These Fony Babas Calling Themselves Guru And Making People Bow To Them T

[Deletedkp]

Your Right Bro... All THese Ppl Saying Tht Killings Were Wrong, but No These Fony Babas Calling Themselves Guru And Making People Bow To Them T

I think the shooting was disgraceful. We as Sikhs in the present climate need to look at a peaceful process to resolve issues. By killing an innocent person is not a solution. These sects you are mentioning, with their Babays and so on, my friend they are on the increase. By you writing this post does not help the cause.

Just for one minute use your brain that God has given you. May be, some time in the future something might just click.

You may realise violence is not the solution.

[sikhwiki]

i think that the vieina shootings was right becuase a fakester got killed they take the mick out of our gurus and make a mockery of the sikhs when next people think there are god. i think we need to remove all of these fake babeh n only bow down our heads to sri guru granth sahib ji radha somais naamdharis n the rest theres loads we need to stop these or there fake gurus need to be delt with with like the niarknari guru in 1984 he got what he desvered n darshan dass in the late 80s they got what they deserved. i ant got a problem with the people but these fakesters take the mick out of our gurus calling them selves higher then sri guru granth sahib ji n tying to be the same level as our 10 masters nobody can be like them they are unique

I think your Guru could answer this question...It might be time that you stopped only bowing down to your Guru and started listening to them aswell.

[Inder Singh]

in my opinion we do not know the facts. Singhs do not seem to be at fault. Watch the following videos. This shooting seems to be brought on them and they fired in self defence.

[random singh]

i think that the vieina shootings was right becuase a fakester got killed they take the mick out of our gurus and make a mockery of the sikhs when next people think there are god. i think we need to remove all of these fake babeh n only bow down our heads to sri guru granth sahib ji radha somais naamdharis n the rest theres loads we need to stop these or there fake gurus need to be delt with with like the niarknari guru in 1984 he got what he desvered n darshan dass in the late 80s they got what they deserved. i ant got a problem with the people but these fakesters take the mick out of our gurus calling them selves higher then sri guru granth sahib ji n tying to be the same level as our 10 masters nobody can be like them they are unique

I agree with you totally.....if we can do it with out violence then great, but we should stand our ground and let these bhkandi's know that if our gurus and eternal sri guru granth saihb are undermined, there guna get it.....

[babbar_sher]

does anyone actually knows what happened there? i dont think anyone knows the reason and circumstances of the shooting, self defence or some internal matter or they simply trying to disrespect guru granth sahib.

[Inder Singh]

does anyone actually knows what happened there? i dont think anyone knows the reason and circumstances of the shooting, self defence or some internal matter or they simply trying to disrespect guru granth sahib.

Please see the above videos. it reveals a lot. There is a criminal element among dalits who is anti sikh. Please read the report below

http://frontlinepunjabiyouth.blogspot.com/2009/08/what-was-real-issue-behing-vienna.html

We are deeply saddened and shocked over the recent incident that took place in Vienna, Austria and subsequent rioting in Punjab, India and our thoughts and prayers are with the families and friends, of everyone who has been affected by this incident.

We would appeal to communities around the world to work together, in harmony to resolve this matter peacefully and uphold the honor of the Guru Granth Sahib. The rioting that has been taking place across Punjab and surrounding areas is causing a detrimental effect, to all the communities residing in Punjab and Worldwide.

Tensions had been building up within the Ravidass community for a number of years, concerning the Ballan Dera (Monestary) and their anti Guru Granth Sahib practices. A few years ago, Sant Rama Nand, leader of the Ballan Dera came to the Ravidass Gurdwara on Grove Lane in Handsworth, Birmingham, UK. He was forced to leave by the majority of the congregation and management committee because the majority of the Ravidass community took objection to the presence of any Dera leader, sitting parallel to the Guru Granth Sahib, the present and perpetual Sikh Guru. A few of Sant Rama Nands followers who were from the Hindu Dalit caste were offended by this.

After this incident the Ravidass Gurdwara in Handsworth mounted a plaque within the Gurdwara, banning any cult leaders from undermining the Guru Granth Sahib, with there ritual worshipping practices. At this time Sant Rama Nand leader of the Ballan Dera hired the hall at the Holyhead School on Holyhead Road, Handsworth to hold a gathering for his followers because the Guru Ravidass Gurdwara congregation and management committee, would not allow the gathering to take place there. Several other Ravidass Gurdwaras across the UK, Canada and USA, also banned Sant Rama Nand from performing his ritual worshipping in the Gurdwaras. Most of the Deras have followers from various backgrounds including some Non Punjabi Bhaiyes and other non Punjabis, the majority of the Dera followers are from the Hindu Dalit caste. Many of the Deras are anti Punjab and anti Punjabi and the Deras encourage there Hindu Dalit caste members to become Ravidass Gurdwara Committee members and mislead the Ravidass community and undermine the Guru Granth Sahib in the process. There was a meeting held at the Dera Sucha Sauda last year with senior Congress party leaders, extremist Hindu party members RSS & Shivsenna, Dera leaders and members of the Boota Mandi Hindu Dalit Syndicate, to attempt to topple the Punjab Government by causing community divisions and rioting across Punjab and in the process bringing mayhem to the region.

It would be difficult for any community to allow cult leaders into there places of worship and allow them to undermine their religious beliefs. Similarly as in the incident in the Vienna Gurdwara, some members of the Ravidass congregation were offended by the anti Guru Granth Sahib practices of the Ballan Dera leaders and this has led to a feud in the Gurdwara, between the congregation, resulting in this terrible tragedy occurring.

Some media reports have suggested that the incident at the Gurdwara in Austria was due to tensions between higher and lower castes. This was clearly incorrect because three of the perpetrators who were arrested by the Police are from the Ravidass community. Within the Sikh community we do not have a caste system, however people from different ethnic backgrounds or regions are referred to as Bradrees. This is different from the Hindu community in which castes exist. Within the Sikh community the bradrees literally mean equality amongst all ethnic groups, therefore although people may be from different ethnic groupings, collectively they make up the Sikh nation and are considered equal, which is different from the Hindu caste system, where people consider different castes to be higher and lower castes.

Other media reports have suggested that the Babbar Khalsa and KZF were responsible for the Vienna incident, however both these groups have denied any involvement with this incident.

The tensions were further escalated when Sukhvinder Singh Sukhi from Akash Radio claimed that the KZF had sent Akash Radio an email, claiming responsibility for the Vienna attacks. KZF deny being behind the attack and also deny sending any emails to this effect, to Akash Radio. Sukhvinder Singh Sukhi should have confirmed the authenticity of the email before spreading this rumour and escalating the tension further. Similarly Ranjit Weekly Editor, Ramdas Chahal who uses a Jat surname to mislead people of his ethnic background, was responsible for inciting communal divisions.

Some members of the Ravidass Cultural Association in Birmingham which has been taken over by the Hindu Dalit caste, who belong to the Deras, so called Buddhist society members and others including President Piara Singh (JP), Lachman Dass Jassi, Raj Kumar Gaddu, Shingaru Ram Suman, Lachman Sheimmar, Ramesh Kaler, Ram Kishan Mehmi, Satpal, Satnam Bilga, Manjit Jassi, Manjinder Kaler, Councillor Chaman Lal, Rajinder Jassi, Sunil Mothada, Gurdial Sandhu, Jaswinder Sashalli, Chaman Lal Chauhan, Balwinder Ballu, Gurdish, Gurprit Bansi, Tarsem Sandhu and many others who claim to be, worshipers of Sant Rama Nand also incited communal divisions in the UK, by arranging and participating in a protest in the UK. Harbans Lal Shonky was the main orchestrater of the communal divisions across the Midlands and was supported by Gurdavinder, Buddhist Society President for Birmingham and the UK Buddhist Society President, Chanan Chahal.

Lachman Dass Jassi, Manjit Jassi, Rajinder Jassi, Ramesh Kaler, Manjinder Kaler, Satnam Bilga, Sunil Mothada, Chaman Lal Chauhan, Gurdial Sandhu, Tarsem Sandhu and Chanan Chahal use Jat surnames (Goth) to mislead people of their ethnic background for personal gain. The Jat community resent their surnames being used by non Jats, however if the individuals are mixed raced Jats then they should declare this.

The rioting that has subsequently occurred in Punjab was not caused by the Ravidass community as has been portrayed by the media, but was caused by thugs who were followers of the Ballan Dera and several other groups and Deras whose main aim was to cause disruption in Punjab. The Deras brainwash there followers, the majority of whom, who are from the Hindu Dalit caste from across India and encourage them to undermine the teachings of the Guru Granth Sahib. These groups and Deras include members and followers of the Nirankaris, Noor Mehal Dera Baba Lightanwala (Bhaiya), Baba Ram Rahim (Jat) Sirsewala Dera, Bhaniarawala Dera. The Dera’s are supported by members of Hindu fascist groups RSS and Shivsenna and some members of the Congress Party and BSP. Even the weapons that the rioters were using were similar to those weapons that had been used by Hindu fascist and Hindu Dalit rioters across Delhi in 1984 (led by former Congress party MP’s, Jagdish Tytler and Sajjan Kumar).

It is common knowledge that some of the violence instigators and Deras are funded and promoted by the Congress Party and the Government. People from the Ravidass community, who worship the Guru Granth Sahib, need to be aware of the tactics of some individuals from the Hindu Dalit caste, planted in the Ravidassia community, who work for the Congress Government and are trying to create communal violence throughout Punjab and in the process, give the Ravidass community a bad name. This article aims to name and shame some of the main instigators of communal division.

Furthermore these gutless rioters vented there anger by damaging property and possessions of innocent people, looting clothes, meat and liquor and taking this back to there Deras. If the Government fail to apprehend and bring these rioters to justice, this will clearly result in other communities making a stance to the actions of these rioters, which will result in retaliation and inevitably bloodshed across Punjab and surrounding areas.

These rioters were incited by racist elements of the racist Boota Mandi syndicate in Jalandhar who are followers of the Ballan Dera and Hindu fascists, to bring mayhem across Punjab and were supported by MP Mohinder Kaypee, Congress Party Member in Jalandhar. The inciters included Chaudhary Jagjit, Ex Cabinet Minister, Surinder Mahey, Ex Mayor of Jalandhar, Sukhvinder Kotli, MP Goraya, Tirath Ram Sandhu (Noormehal), Baldev Khaira member of Jilla Prished, Ram Saroop Saroai, Balvinder Ralh, Satpal Virk, Narinder Billa, Balhiar Bilga, Amritpal Bhosale, Harminder KK, Tara Chand Jakhu, Sanjeev Bhosale, Inderjeet Chamdard, Rajinder Kazle, Ashwani Bhatoye, Nirmal Guru, Ram Saroop Chamba, Chander Shekher, Manmohan Raju, BSP leaders Ashok Chandla and P. D. Shant.

Balbir Raja Sodhi, member of the Congress Party was one of the main instigators of communal violence in Phagwara and was supported by another Congress Party MLA, Joginder Mann. In Phagwara, Noormehal, Jalandhar, Phillaur, Goraya, Nawanshahr, Nakodar and several other regions, local residents and business owners from different ethnic backgrounds were forced to confront the rioters when they started to damage property, the rioters were challenged and beaten up in confrontations and they ran into their Deras to hide. In several of these regions across Punjab during the rioting, the local communities had to defend their belongings and property, because the Police failed to take any action against the rioters, as they rampaged through the streets. The rioters were confronted by the local communities who were forced to create groups of Sikhs and Hindus, to defend their belongings and property because of the lack of Police action.

Sukhvinder Kotli, MP Singh Goraya, Tirath Ram Sandhu (Noormehal), Baldev Khaira member of the Jilla Prished, Satpal Virk, Balhiar Bilga, Ram Saroop Saroai, Balbir Raja Sodhi and Joginder Mann all use Jat surnames (Goth) to mislead people of their ethnic background for personal gain. The Jat community resent their surnames being used by non Jats, however if the individuals are mixed raced Jats then they should declare this.

The Indian Government should ensure that the Police apprehend the culprits involved in the rioting and violence in India and ensure that they prosecute the culprits, who were involved in the rioting and those who were inciting them. There are many photographs and video footage of the rioting, which clearly needs to be used as evidence to prosecute the culprits. This will ensure that a clear message is sent out to all the different groups in India, who resort to rioting and violence and cause mayhem across India. If the Indian Government fail to apprehend the rioting culprits, the wider community of North West India will have been let down and resent the Indian Government.

The Punjab Police turn a blind eye towards the rioters and those responsible for instigating the rioters, even though they have sufficient evidence against them, however they continue to arrest innocent law abiding Punjabi-Sikhs and plant evidence on them and charge them with committing terrorist activities.

Recently, Baba Balbir Singh of Lamma Jatpura has been arrested with two Sikhs, apparently caught with RDX and detonators according to IG Sanjiv Kalra. The Punjab Police are renowned for framing Punjabi-Sikhs with RDX, this has been done on many occasions by the Indian government to make people hate Sikhs and think of them as terrorists. Human Riots agencies are continually monitoring and collecting further evidence against corrupt officers in the Punjab Police force, who are responsible for framing innocent Sikhs.

The rioting in Punjab, resembles the rioting that was caused across Delhi in 1984, at that time orchestrated by former Congress Party members, Jagdish Tytler and Sajjan Kumar who have links with the culprits named above and Deras and have incited them into causing the recent rioting across Punjab and tension Worldwide.

There have also been certain individuals and groups who have been trying to create communal resentment between the Ravidass and other communities, by claiming that the other communities do not recognise Bhagat Ravidass as a Guru. However there are patent Bhagats from different bradrees who have contributed to the Guru Granth Sahib and they are also recognised by their own bradrees as Bhagats and this is not only the case with Bhagat Ravidass. The other Bhagats include Bhagat Jaidev, Bhagat Namdev, Bhagat Trilochan, Bhagat Parmanand, Bhagat Sadhana, Bhagat Beni, Bhagat Ramanand, Bhagat Dhanna, Bhagat Pipa, Bhagat Sain, Bhagat Kabir, Baba Sheikh Farid, Bhagat Bhikhan, Bhagat Surdas.

Furthermore Shromani Akali Dal Councillor, Balbir Singh Dhillon of Ward No. 11 and his colleagues should not be further harassed by the Punjab Police, for killing a protestor in self defence who was part of a mob that attacked them, otherwise there will be widespread resentment. He should, in fact be awarded for his bravery, for helping to protect his community from the Mob attack.

The Indian Government need to follow the example of the USA Government and not support any sects (dera’s) which offend religious beliefs of other worshippers. The Indian Government need to ensure that they apprehend sect leaders who are offending the Guru Granth Sahib worshippers, religious beliefs and practices across India. Similarly there are Dera’s which are operating in the UK also funded by extremist Hindu parties, which are also causing communal hatred between communities, by distorting the teachings of the Guru Granth Sahib, these Deras include the Nirankaris, Ek Niwas, Sach Khand Nanak Dham.

It is disgraceful for Indian Politicians to have arranged and attended the funeral of a Dera leader, who had offended the religious sentiments of worshippers of the Guru Granth Sahib, across the world. Racist Maya Wati, Chief Minister of Utter Pardesh who also attended the funeral is responsible for creating communal tensions across Punjab.

The Government have now appointed S R Laddhar Commissioner of Jalandhar, to head the inquiry into the incidents that occurred across Punjab, however S R Laddhar who also uses a Jat name for personal gain, will be biased as he will discriminate against the Punjabi community, there should be an independent enquiry held by an independent body.

Sant Baba Nirmal Dass of the Raipur Rasulpur Dera, made an official statement to the Ravidass and wider communities to clarify to the Ravidass communnity that one Dera cannot make a decision instructing the Ravidass community to stop worshiping the Guru Granth Sahib. Nobody has the right to instruct worshippers not to follow the teachings of the Guru Granth Sahib and furthermore he stated that people from the Ravidassia community are worshippers of the Guru Granth Sahib.

There are many Hindu Dalits who have now embedded themselves in Ravidass Gurdwaras and are urging the Gurdwara Management of which they are part, to stop worshipping the Guru Granth Sahib and to remove the Guru Granth Sahib from the Gurdwaras. This is contrary to what the Gurdwara congregation have donated money to the Gurdwaras over the years for. The money donated by the Guru Granth Sahib worshippers has been used by these Hindu Dalit led Gurdwaras, to fund unlawful activities of Deras and in the process, misusing money donated by the Ravidass community, to spread the teachings of the Guru Granth Sahib.

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Organisations based in the Western Hemisphere, Congress Party, Lok Balai Party, Shromani Akali Dal, Ravidass Sikh Forum, Ramgarhia Sikh Forum, Bhatrai Sikh Forum, Jat Civil Rights Forum and Global Sher-e-Punjab (not linked to the criminal gangs referring to themselves as the Shere Punjab in Birmingham & London).

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[HeatSikhingMissile]

It was right in the same way that mughals thought "it was right" to kill Sikhs and Hindus a few centuries ago, anyone that thinks this act was "right", has pretty much gone full circle from being a Guru Ka Sikh, to exactly what the Guru's stood up against.

[HeatSikhingMissile]

It was right in the same way that mughals thought "it was right" to kill Sikhs and Hindus a few centuries ago, anyone that thinks this act was "right", has pretty much gone full circle from being a Guru Ka Sikh, to exactly what the Guru's stood up against.