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Science and Religion: Is there a conflict ?

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Can A Rational Individual Believe In God ?

In other words:

Can God be atheist, governed by scientific laws?

Of course

Why?

Because if God exists, he must work

in an Absolute Reference Frame and have set of Physical

and Mathematical laws to create everything

And we can find and understand this God's Absolute House

and when we can find and understand these Cod's Physical Laws.

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All religions, arts and sciences are branches of the same tree.

/ Albert Einstein. /

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Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind.

/ Albert Einstein. /

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I want to know how God created this world.

I am not interested in this or that phenomenon,

in the spectrum of this or that element.

I want to know His thoughts; the rest are details.

/Einstein/

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God as a Scientist !!!

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The masses in the Universe are very few.

The distances between stars are very far.

About 99% of the matter in the Universe is unseen.

Nobody knows what it is.

But God using his > 99% Hidden mass of the Universe

take control over the < 1% Visible mass of the Universe.

He is a smart physicist and mathematician .

He smiles and laughs when others say:

' The formulas are cleverer than men'.

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In my opinion if God exists, He/She/It would necessarily

to work in an Absolute Reference Frame and had set of

physical and mathematical laws to create everything

in the Universe.

If we find and understand this Absolute God's House then

is possible step by step to find and understand God's Physics

Laws, which Copernicus, Kepler, Newton, Maxwell, Planck,

Einstein and many others scientists discovered.

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If you don't like the terminology like ' God existing' then

I can change my sentence.

I will say:

If we find and understand an Absolute Reference Frame in the

Universe/ Nature then is possible step by step to find and understand

the sense of all Physics Laws, which Copernicus, Kepler, Newton,

Maxwell, Planck, Einstein and many others scientists discovered.

Then we can understand the Physics without paradoxes.

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Best wishes.

Israel Sadovnik. / Socratus.

http://www.worldnpa.org/php2/index.php?tab0=Scientists&tab1=Display&id=1372

www.socratus.com

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Lao Tzu and Physics.

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Dao generates the One,

The One generates the Two,

The Two generates the Three.

The Three generates all things.

All things have darkness at their back

and strive towards the light,

and the flowing power gives them harmony.

/ Tao Te Ching, Chapter 42, Lao Tzu /

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My comment: / Cosmo genesis. /

1.

In the beginning was Vacuum/ Dao.

The Vacuum/ Dao is not died space but according to

Quantum theory it is Energetic space : T=0K.

2.

Dao generates the One.

It means:

The Energetic (Infinite/Eternal) Vacuum space generates

energetic virtual particles- frozen light quanta..

They are in rest/ potential condition and written by formulas:

C/D = pi, E = Mc^2, R/N = k, h = 0, i^2 = -1.

They can change its rest/potential condition and become active.

We call this active Energetic particle Electron: e^2= ahc

3.

The One generates the Two.

It means:

The Ones (frozen light quanta and Electron) create Proton.

4.

The Two generates the Three.

It means:

As result of interaction between Electron and Proton

the atom was created.

5.

The Three generates all things.

It means:

The atoms create all things.

6.

All things have darkness at their back

and strive towards the light,

and the flowing power gives them harmony.

It means:

The Quantum of Light is hidden in everything.

But as the 'Bhagavad Gita' says:

Fools deride Me when I descend in the human form.

They do not know My transcendental nature and

My supreme dominion over all that be.

/ Chapter 9. Text 11./

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Best wishes.

Socratus

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First.

What is Absolute Reference Frame ?

What is the Source of the Universe ?

Now consider: there are three sources of the Universe:

God ,' Big Bang ' and Vacuum.

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1.

Once upon a time, 20 billions of years ago, all matter

(all elementary particles and all quarks and their

girlfriends- antiparticles and antiquarks, all kinds of waves:

electromagnetic, gravitational, muons… gluons field ….. etc.)

was assembled in a "single point".

What had surrounded the "single point"?

The answer is : EMPTINESS- NOTHING….!!!

Ok!

But why does everyone speak about EMPTINESS- NOTHING

in common phrases rather than in specific, concrete terms?

I wonder why nobody has written down this EMPTINESS- NOTHING

by the form of a physical formula ? You see, every schoolboy knows that

is possible to express the EMPTINESS- NOTHING condition

by the formula T=0K.

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Once there was a "Big Bang".

But in what space had the Big Bang taken place

and in what space was the matter of the Big Bang distributed?

Not in T=0K?

It is clear, that only in EMPTINESS, NOTHING, only in T=0K.

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Now consider that the Universe, as an absolute frame of reference is

in a condition of T = 2,7K (rests relic radiation of the Big Bang ).

But, the relic radiation is extended and in the future will change

and its temperature will decrease. What temperature can this radiation

reach? Not T=0K?

Hence, if we go into the past or into the present or into the future,

we can not escape from EMPTINESS- NOTHING: T=0K.

2.

Detected material mass of the matter in the Universe is so small

(the average density of all substance in the Universe is

approximately p=10^-30 g/sm^3) that the gravitation law

doesn't work. The Newton/ Einstein's gravitation laws are correct

only in the local parts of Vacuum. The Universe / Vacuum as a

whole is endless. But when this Infinity comes nobody knows

what to do with the infinity. Our tiny minds cannot get a handle

on its size, so we try to give it shapes and boundaries, all of

which is folly. Therefore was invented "dark matter" and

another abstract, ineffective objects.

But to our happiness the Infinite Vacuum has one physical

parameter- the temperature. The temperature of the Infinite

Vacuum is concrete, real fact. It is T=0K.

Vacuum is the Source of the Universe.

Vacuum is Absolute Reference Frame.

3.

About the theory of "Big Bang" is written many thick

(very thick) books. But nobody writes about the

reason of the "Big Bang". Nobody knows it.

I know.

The action, when the God compresses all Universe

into his palm, we have named " a singular point".

And action, when the God opens his palm,

we have named the "Big Bang".

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Best wishes.

Israel Sadovnik . Socratus.

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About the theory of "Big Bang" is written many thick

(very thick) books. But nobody writes about the

reason of the "Big Bang". Nobody knows it.

The latest consensus is provided by the M-Theory - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M-theory

I'm paraphrasing, "you have a number of 'branes' that are flowing like waves in an ocean. At some point, the peak of a wave from brane a will collide with the peak of an adjacent brane b, and this collision is believed to be the 'big bang' which gives rise to a new universe.

I'm not a physicist, so I'm not sure how true/valid the theory is, but it certainly seems to be the most promising theory we have. I just find this stuff extremely fascinating!

PS. If two branes colliding produces a universe then then question becomes where did those 2 branes come from?

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If two branes colliding produces a universe then then question becomes

where did those 2 branes come from?

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Exactly!

Where did the matter come from ?

From: God, 'big bang ', vacuum, chaos, . . . etc

In anyway it must be an Absolute Reference Frame .

And I explain: it can be only Vacuum.

Only from Vacuum the matter can come.

Why?

Because Classical ( Newton's ) Physics says that Vacuum

( T= 0K) is dead space and all particles must stop its movement.

But Quantum ( Planck's ) Physics says it isn't correct:

the Vacuum is some kind of Energy space in which

' virtual particles ' exist. Nobody knows their parameters.

And I try to explain them and show how from unseen

' virtual particles ' the visual mass / matter was created .

Einstein said:

/ You do not really understand something unless

you can explain it to your grandmother. /

My explanation is simple and everybody can understand it.

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Best wishes.

Israel Sadovnik. / Socratus.

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Where and Who is God ?

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By idea the God ( HE / SHE / IT ) must be :

1.

Something Infinity Absolute it means to be in every place

2.

And something Absolute Concrete/ Limited it means

to be exactly in the concrete place.

Question:

Can God create our World without physics laws and formulas ?

The answer is: No !

Question:

Have physicists found these two Absolute parameters in the Universe ?

My answer is: Yes !

One Infinity Absolute Parameter is Vacuum: T=0K.

Second Absolute Concrete/ Limited Parameter is speed of

Quantum of Light in Vacuum: c=1.

Using these two Absolute Parameters I explain

the creation of the Universe step by step.

And therefore I say: The secret of the conception ' God '

is hidden in the ' Theory of Vacuum & Quantum of Light '.

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Thomas Jefferson wrote in the letter to Joseph Milligan, April 6, 1816

/ ...the more a subject is understood,

the more briefly it may be explained. /

Einstein said:

/ You do not really understand something unless

you can explain it to your grandmother. /

I think everybody can understand my theory.

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Best wishes.

Israel Sadovnik. Socratus.

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Science and Religion: Is there a conflict?

Or maybe:

Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind.

/ Albert Einstein. /

Or maybe:

All religions, arts and sciences are branches of the same tree.

/ Albert Einstein. /

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Science and Religion: Is there any conflict?

Or maybe there isn't any conflict.

Religion or Physics ? Faith or Knowledge ?

Or maybe our stupidity asks these questions.

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My article / message ( book ) isn't about faith.

I say about God's existing using the Physics / Quantum

theory because the Old proofs about God / Religion

isn't enough in our time.

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Has God known the formula: E=Mc^2 ?

If God has known the formula why HE / SHE /IT

didn't write it in His Bible?

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Can God be atheist, governed by scientific laws?

Have physicists found the God?

I think, Yes. They have.

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The people created a God.

No one knows what the external characteristics

of this God are, a God who made himself known

with the name " I am who I am ".

Is it enough for us in the XXIc ?

Why didn't the formula E=Mc^2 write in the Bible?

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Each religion uses a system of symbols

(images, metaphors, ancient myths and legends ,

beautiful stories) to explain its truth.

But Bernard Shaw wisely remarked :

" There is only one religion,

although there are a hundred versions of it."

It means that the source of all religion is one.

And I try to prove this idea with the formulas and laws of

physics. I don't invent new formulas. I use simple formulas

which ,maybe, every man knows from school.

Is it possible? Is it enough?

Yes. Because the evolution goes from simple to the complex.

So, in the beginning we can use simple formulas and laws.

For this purpose I explain what the first law of Universe is,

and second law is and ...........etc.

Step by step I create a logical system of the Universe.

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Can God be atheist, governed by scientific laws?

I think: Yes, of course.

Why?

Because if God exists, he would necessarily to work

in an Absolute Reference Frame and have set of physical

and mathematical laws to create everything in the Universe.

And we can find and understand this Absolute God's House

and we can find and understand Cod's Laws of the Nature.

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If I were God, I would give chance to Human

to understand who I am by analyzing the physical

formulas, equations and laws. Because to create Everything

I need them. So, logically, catching the thread of the physics

Human can understand Me and My Work.

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Of course, it is only my opinion.

Best wishes.

Israel Sadovnik. Socratus.

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http://www.sikhroots...%20&Science.pdf -

This book could help you out - Sikh Religon And Science

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Sikh Religion and Science

by G. S. Sidhu M.A; FIL (London)

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Science and religion in tandem can become a great force

to liberate the mind and help the humans to a fuller and better

understanding of reality.

In Sikhism a truly knowledgeable mystic is called a Sant

(__=God conscious man/woman )

They explain that our visible world is only an illusion.

It exists only for the realization of God's moral purposes

and to translate the Will of God into activity.

To see God one has to have mental vision and intuitive eyes.

The Guru says,

"The eyes that see God are different from physical eyes."

(AGGS p. 1100)

The fundamental principle of Sikhism is "God was in

existence before time began running its course; He has been in

existence and shall be in existence for ever and ever."

(AGGS p.1 )

According to Guru Nanak, the creation sprouted from

Sunn79 (void, nothingness, vacuum) in which the creator (Sat) existed.

10.1 Claims of exclusivity

Exclusivity in religion goes against the grain and yet many

religions and their followers claim that theirs is the only true

religion, which can mould the world and lead it to salvation.

Here are some examples:

"The non-Christian Bibles are developments in the wrong

direction." (Professor Monier Williams)

"The truth capable of saving humanity is and shall be the

product of Hindu Gurus forever and for ever." (Sri Aurobindo)

"Following a religion other than Islam is not acceptable."

(Quran 3:85)

Sikhism does not claim such monopolies because

monopolies invariably end up in confrontations and slanging

matches. They produce only self-righteous and intolerant snobs.

Sikhism preaches that exclusivity is the most damaging feature of

any religion.

Sikhism teaches, " The world is going up in flames

O Lord— shower it with Your Mercy, Save it, and deliver it from

sin through whichever door (religion) humanity approaches"

(AGGS p. 853)

It advises that we "should not call any religion inferior or false"

and thus, "give rise to controversies."

"Many roads thou hast fashioned, all of them lead to the light."

(Rudyard Kipling)

10.2 Salvation

Almost all religions aspire for salvation ( Mokhsha ,Nirvana)

and claim that it is possible only through their particular religion.

10.3 Conversion

"Do not believe in the words of a teacher unless you

Yourself are convinced of the truth contained in his words."

(Berkeley)

Chapter 11

The universal religion

"Sikhism contains the seeds of a Universal state and a Universal religion."

(Arnold Toynbee)

Sikhism walks hand in hand with modern scientific and

technological theories. In many cases the modern theories and

scientific thought simply confirm the Sikh teachings and as a

consequence Sikhism has been ennobled and made more profound

by science.

/ Sikh Religion and Science by

G. S. Sidhu M.A; /

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In my opinion:

Religion was studied the world inside while

Physics was studied the world outside.

The Physics explains Logically ( ! ) what Religion is and

Religion gives the Practical ( ! ) path to reach the

Ultimate Nature of Reality.

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Socratus.

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It's true that there are many research findings of physics that point toward there being an Ultimate Cause (which believers call God).

I disagree, however, that God is restricted by an absolute reference frame. I think that God is free of any bounds, and create any laws for any given universe that he happens to be creating.

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It's true that there are many research findings of physics that point

toward there being an Ultimate Cause (which believers call God).

I disagree, however, that God is restricted by an absolute reference frame.

I think that God is free of any bounds, and create any laws for any given universe

that he happens to be creating.

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Does God create woman from Adam's rib by physics laws ?

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like millions before us when we could not explain what we saw,

we turned to the gods for the answers.

But Zeus never gave the answers, nor did Neptune or Ra.

No answers are given by the most modern one!

The answers come from mankind.

It is us and only us who can unravel this mystery.

With no help from any divinity.

It is this mystery of who we are and what we see around us,

that gives birth to gods.

If there is a string theory then we will find it.

But to suppose there is a single theory of everything,

seems like we are still much like the ancients.

Posted by " canadapiper"

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Mr. 'FF ' wrote:

' There is only one place where "God" has been

demonstrated, even proven to exist - in human brains.'

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God and Consciousness.

It seems you are right saying: 'There is only one place

where "God" has been demonstrated, even proven

to exist - in human brains.'

Why? Because if God exist, HE /SHE/ IT must be

in every place it means in human brains too.

Question: is it possible to prove this ?

I will try.

Our brain works on dualistic basis: usually consciousness

(logically) and rarely unconsciousness ( at first it seems

illogically but at last it shows as very wise act) .

In his book ' The Holographic Universe' Michael Talbot

on the page 160 explained this situation in such way:

' Contrary to what everyone knows it is so, it may not be

the brain that produce consciousness, but rather consciousness

that creates the appearance of the brain - . . . .'

But as the 'Bhagavad Gita' says:

Fools deride Me when I descend in the human form.

They do not know My transcendental nature and

My supreme dominion over all that be.

/ Chapter 9. Text 11./

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Best wishes.

Israel Sadovnik. / Socratus.

http://www.physforum...pic=23624&st=15

http://www.physforum...pic=2547&st=105

http://www.physforum...?showtopic=2548

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' The idea that the universe can be viewed as the compound

of two basic orders, the implicate and the explicate, can be

found in many other traditions.

The Tibetan Buddhists call these two aspects the void and

nonvoid. The nonvoid is the reality of visible objects. The

void, like the implicate order, is the birthplace of all things

in the universe, . . .

. . . only the void is real and all forms in the objective world

are illusory, . . . .

The Hindus call the implicate level of reality Brahman.

Brahman is formless but is the birthplace of all forms in

visible reality, which appear out of it and then enfold back

into it in endless flux.

. . . consciousness is not only a subtler form of matter,

but it is more fundamental than matter, and in the Hindu

cosmology it is matter that has emerged from consciousness,

and not the other way around. Or as the Vedas put it, the

physical world is brought into being through both the

' veiling' and ' projecting' powers of consciousness.

. . . the material universe is only a second- generation

reality, a creation of veiled consciousness, the Hindus

say that it is transitory and unreal, or ' maya'.

. . .

This same concept can be found in Judaic thought.

. . . . in shamanistic thinking . . . . . .

. . . . . .

Like Bohm, who says that consciousness always has its

source in the implicate, the aborigines believe that the

true source of the mind is in the transcendent reality of

the dreamtime. Normal people do not realize this and

believe that their consciousness is in their bodies.

. . . . .

The Dogan people of the Sudan also believe that the

physical world is the product of a deeper and more

fundamental level of reality . . . . . .'

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Book / The Holographic Universe.

Part 3 / 9. Pages 287 – 289.

By Michael Talbot. /

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My questions after reading this book.

Is it possible that Physics confirmed and proved the

Religion philosophy of life ?

How is it possible to understand the Religion philosophy

of life from modern Physics view?

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My opinion.

Fact.

The detected material mass of the matter in the

Universe is so small (the average density of all

substance in the Universe is approximately

p=10^-30 g/sm^3) that it cannot 'close' the

Universe into sphere and therefore our Universe

as whole is 'open', Endless Void / Nothingness /

Vacuum : T=0K.

Quantum Physics says the Vacuum is the birthplace

of all ' virtual' particles . Nobody knows what there are,

but 'the virtual particles' change the Vacuum in a

local places and create Nonvoid / Material / Gravity

World with stars, planets and all another objects and

subjects in the Universe.

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Without Eternal/ Infinite Void / Vacuum physics makes no sense.

But . . . . . . .

" The problem of the exact description of vacuum,

in my opinion, is the basic problem now before physics.

Really, if you can't correctly describe the vacuum,

how it is possible to expect a correct description

of something more complex? "

/ Paul Dirac ./

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Best wishes.

Israel Sadovnik. / Socratus.

http://www.physforum...pic=23624&st=15

http://www.physforum...pic=2547&st=105

http://www.physforum...?showtopic=2548

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