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Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh!

Bhai Bijla Singh has already done the great seva of demolishing the arguments of misguided Muslims trying to confuse young Sikhs with their lies, deceit and deception. See his articles here:

http://searchsikhism.com/islam.html

There is more than enough in them to answer any Muslim on the lookout for easy prey.

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In My Opinion,

The DVD is a Great Idea. Some Youth Groups and/or Sikh Organizations should be Contacted to Help make this DVD. It can address what you have mentioned.

Some Points that can be Addressed in the DVD.

- How Muslim Boys are Taught to Target Girls to 'Romance' Them.

- How Muslim Boys are Taught to Target Girls to 'Romance' Them (including marriage -explain that they get married for sex and conversion. All the Muslim Men have to Say is 'Talak' 3 times for Divorce. So they can get married, and then say 'Talak' 3 times and its all okay for them. According to Their Faith They get Blessings for Sleeping with Women and Converting. They can Get Married, Do what They Want, Say 'Talak' 3 Times, and Thats it. The Life of the Unsuspecting Woman is RUINED!), They Aim to Convert Them, and Then Sometimes Dump them into Situations Worse Then Hell. (Explain to Them to Stay Away from Dating etc., Muslim Boys and Their 'Tactics'! etc..) Explain to Them to Treat Their Bodies as Temples!

- Talk of the Tactics They Use

- Make a List of Lies They say about Sri GuruGranth Sahib Ji, and Answer Those Questions First. (Explain That the Muslims in Mecca Bowed to Guru Nanaks Teachings. Show the Pangtees in GuruGranth Sahib Ji, that Tell that GurBani is Sent from GOD DIRECTLY! Answer All the Questions Beforehand that Muslims Spread Lies about.

- Explain the Concept of 'AL TAQIYYA' that Muslims are Taught to Use (Muslims are Taught To Lie, and for This They will Receive Great 'blessings'. Explain this in Detail. Muslims are Taught to Lie, Deceive, Use Strategies, Lie of Opinions, Convictions, Feelings, Etc. Etc. It is a Principle of Their Faith to Spread Lies, Deception, Etc.. With the Aim of Conversions (including forced etc.). This is One Reason Why They change Their Names, Wear Karas, etc. etc.. It is Propagated By Their Faith to Deceive with a Goal in Mind.

- Explain How they Use Sex as a Weapon. This is a Form of Emotional Turmoil. Sex is a Weapon. Forced Sex is also Used. Explain. (This is One Method Used By Evil to Break Spirits of People). Explain! Provide Them with Knowledge so They Protect Themselves when They are Confronted with Situations! Explain to Them to Treat Their Bodies As Temples! Improve Their Self-Esteem! Tell Them they Belong to the Great Guru Nanak!

- Explain Concepts in the Quran and How Muslims Use Them to Propagate Polygamy, Sexual Slaves, Rapes, Conversion Marriages then Making The Converts Forced Sexual Slaves (They even Sell Them! Dump Them in Places Worse Than Hell - provide examples) Etc.. Etc.. Explain to Them, Not to be Naive!

- Explain how They Use Emotional and Physical Blackmail. First They Lie and Deceive, Attempt to Get Sexual Acts Performed; Then Use That as Blackmail (Threaten to Tell Family, Friends, Even Photographs, Video Recordings (even secretly done) etc.. etc..

- Explain To them They Come Across as Trust Worthy, and attempt to Make You the Center of Attention (DANGER!!); But the Second They Get What they Want, IT'S A DOWNHILL SPIRAL!!! Physical, Emotional, Mental, Family, Residential Etc.. Etc.. (DANGER!!)

- Explain How once They have BlackMail against Them, it's a DownHill Spiral.

- Explain To Them that They SHOULD NEVER SACRIFICE THEIR SELF RESPECT!

- Very Beautifully Explain and Show the Beauty of Khalsa.

- Very Beautifully Explain and Show the Raags and Instruments of Khalsa

- Very Beautifully Explain and Show the Lifestyles of Khalsa

- Very Beautifully Explain and Show the Beautiful Principles of Khalsa

- Very Beautifully Explain the Sikhi Principles that are For ALL

- Very Beautifully Explain Many Virtues as Taught by our Great Guru, and Vices To Avoid Etc. And Show Them in a Tone, Mood, to Inspire and feel Bairaag, with the Desired Result of Conviction and Actual Change of Mind, Heart, Emotion, Feeling that They NEVER want to Leave the Lap of Guru Nanak – Guru Gobind Singh

- Very Beautifully Explain and Show Beautiful Singhs and Kaurs and Their High Principles

- Very Beautifully Show the Beauty of Sri GuruGranth Sahib Ji

- Very Beautifully Show the Beauty of Sikhi and the Palace of Guru Nanak

- Address All The Lies They say About Sikhi and GuruGranth Sahib Ji. (inform those that know little about The Truth of GuruGranth Sahib Ji, and Provide Them with The Beautiful Truth of GuruGranth Sahib Ji). Once They know of The Greatness of God Through Our Gurus' and GuruGranth Sahib Ji, the muslims Will Not Be Able to Deceive Them.

- Show the Ill Affects of Alcohol, Smoking, etc..

- Show The Tactics Used in Clubs, Rape Drugs, Group Strategies Used by Muslims etc. to Convince a Girl for a Ride in a Car since they are 'Going There Any-Way'..etc..etc..

- Explain the Dangers of Clubs etc..

- Explain the Beauty of Sikhi and the Universal Principles in Sikhi for Individual Benefit (Spiritual, Mental, Emotional, Physical, Social, Sikhi Traditional, etc. etc.). Show how Sikhi Principles Protect One from Serious Long Term Consequences etc.. and Show Why Situtions Should be Avoided and Even how Others Encourage and Even Plot to Lure Them into Alcohol, Sex, Drugs, Conversions, etc.. etc.. Explain Why They Should Protect Oneself from Such Activities as Such Activities are Breeding Grounds for Negative Consequences...Explain How Men and Strategic Plans of Muslims Target at Such Activities..Explain the Beauty of Sikh Principles...

- Explain That They are Important! Explain That Their Body is Their Temple, and Treat it As Such! Explain That We Love Them! Explain That They Should Love Themselves! Explain That Guru Loves Them!

- Etc. Etc..

Some Brief Thoughts that Came to Mind. Expand on Them. You Will Know more Things to Discuss.

Some Singhs and Kaurs Should take on This Seva. It's a Great Idea to provide such a Resource to Unsuspecting Youth Heading out on Their Own, to Such Universities etc..

Explain to the Boys as Well, Explain the Above to the Girls Importantly! The Tactics Used by the Muslims are Specifically Targeted to Girls. The Boys should also be Made Aware to Have High Sikh Virtues, Live a Sikhi Lifestyle and Protect Their Sisters. And The Girls Should Also Protect Themselves. Provide Them with Such Beautiful Resources.

Once Such a Resource is Made, it is Very Beneficial for Very Long Term! Get it Done!

excellent post.

I like the way you exposed that lying in islam is permissible (under three circumstances: to stop a woman arguing with her hisband(!), to save their own lives (!) and to bring another into the fold of islam(!!!)..... Many muslims have confirmed this, while other argue the satanic verses, i mean the koran says "there is no compulsion in religion".... all their hadiths contradict eachother thats why muslims scholars say "find a hadith that supports most your views and follow that one"...their religion is full of contradictions, it is not the way foward in the physical world, or the speritual world. Muslims also claim all the technology and science in the world today comes from them. Most of the significant technological and scientific discoveries have been made in recent centries by non muslims. islam is a faith from the Medieval ages. the philosophy of the muslim cult is "if you do not accept islam you will burn in hell for eternity". Sikhi is a fiath of universal tolerance and equality. We do not believe Sachkhand is restricted to only SIkhs. On the subject of sachkhand... we believe that in the end we Merge with the Lord Almighty. They believe heaven has naked virgins, male servents, seedless fruits (lol) rivers of wine and rivers of honey. Does this not sound like a drunken orgy?! Also muslims men do not wear gold or silk because they believe they recieve these boons in heaven. to call this idology a joke is an understatment.

many issues in islam come down to lust: women covering up, why women driving is prohibated in islam(!), a man having 4 wives, why women can not pray with men, circumsision, femal genetal mutalation (muslims are divided [as always] on weather this is a cultural or religious issue), etc etc the list is endless. In sikhi the focus is on equality and every sikh, man or woman should defeat lust with humility, naam, seva and simran. lust should not be accomadated by marriage. In sikhi marriage is a very sacred thing.

I dont know why non muslim women marry muslim men when so many of them end up subliminally oppressed which is concealed by a false love relationship, or they are devorced (using the method described above) or they end up sharing their husband with 3 other women. It does not matter how many times muslims try to promote these sinfull acts as good, it just doesnt wash. There is no equality on islam. Why on earth is it that in islamb a woman needs 4 male witnesses to say she has been raped??!! What is she suppose to do? carry them in her handbag? this sends out a very devious message to the muslim masses.

the problem isnt with wa'habi islam, the problem isnt with a small amount of muslim extremeists, the problem isnt with muslim terrorism... the problem is with todays islam. Only a loopy and backward community would hold a paedophile in such a high regard. Its an insult to Satguru Ji to say the koran is a revelation of His...There are a number of issues wrong with the lifestyle of mohammed: a 50yr old man marrying a 6 year old but having sex with her when she was 9 because she had her period at that age... where is the modesty here? If mohammed needed to care for her so badly he should have accepted her has his daughter!. The teachings of the medieval book the koran, and the lifestyle of mohammed has no relevance to society today. they still have the medieval mentality of conquering the world through any means necessary. Message of our Satguru Ji's and Guru Granth Sahib Ji Maharaj is jugo jug atal... true throughout all time.

i know ive gone off topic.... but my fingers just wouldnt stop typing.

in summary, sikhi is the only faith made serving humanity, protecting humanity, tolerance, freedom and equality such central components of the faith.

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In My Opinion,

The DVD is a Great Idea. Some Youth Groups and/or Sikh Organizations should be Contacted to Help make this DVD. It can address what you have mentioned.

Some Points that can be Addressed in the DVD.

- How Muslim Boys are Taught to Target Girls to 'Romance' Them.

- How Muslim Boys are Taught to Target Girls to 'Romance' Them (including marriage -explain that they get married for sex and conversion. All the Muslim Men have to Say is 'Talak' 3 times for Divorce. So they can get married, and then say 'Talak' 3 times and its all okay for them. According to Their Faith They get Blessings for Sleeping with Women and Converting. They can Get Married, Do what They Want, Say 'Talak' 3 Times, and Thats it. The Life of the Unsuspecting Woman is RUINED!), They Aim to Convert Them, and Then Sometimes Dump them into Situations Worse Then Hell. (Explain to Them to Stay Away from Dating etc., Muslim Boys and Their 'Tactics'! etc..) Explain to Them to Treat Their Bodies as Temples!

- Talk of the Tactics They Use

- Make a List of Lies They say about Sri GuruGranth Sahib Ji, and Answer Those Questions First. (Explain That the Muslims in Mecca Bowed to Guru Nanaks Teachings. Show the Pangtees in GuruGranth Sahib Ji, that Tell that GurBani is Sent from GOD DIRECTLY! Answer All the Questions Beforehand that Muslims Spread Lies about.

- Explain the Concept of 'AL TAQIYYA' that Muslims are Taught to Use (Muslims are Taught To Lie, and for This They will Receive Great 'blessings'. Explain this in Detail. Muslims are Taught to Lie, Deceive, Use Strategies, Lie of Opinions, Convictions, Feelings, Etc. Etc. It is a Principle of Their Faith to Spread Lies, Deception, Etc.. With the Aim of Conversions (including forced etc.). This is One Reason Why They change Their Names, Wear Karas, etc. etc.. It is Propagated By Their Faith to Deceive with a Goal in Mind.

- Explain How they Use Sex as a Weapon. This is a Form of Emotional Turmoil. Sex is a Weapon. Forced Sex is also Used. Explain. (This is One Method Used By Evil to Break Spirits of People). Explain! Provide Them with Knowledge so They Protect Themselves when They are Confronted with Situations! Explain to Them to Treat Their Bodies As Temples! Improve Their Self-Esteem! Tell Them they Belong to the Great Guru Nanak!

- Explain Concepts in the Quran and How Muslims Use Them to Propagate Polygamy, Sexual Slaves, Rapes, Conversion Marriages then Making The Converts Forced Sexual Slaves (They even Sell Them! Dump Them in Places Worse Than Hell - provide examples) Etc.. Etc.. Explain to Them, Not to be Naive!

- Explain how They Use Emotional and Physical Blackmail. First They Lie and Deceive, Attempt to Get Sexual Acts Performed; Then Use That as Blackmail (Threaten to Tell Family, Friends, Even Photographs, Video Recordings (even secretly done) etc.. etc..

- Explain To them They Come Across as Trust Worthy, and attempt to Make You the Center of Attention (DANGER!!); But the Second They Get What they Want, IT'S A DOWNHILL SPIRAL!!! Physical, Emotional, Mental, Family, Residential Etc.. Etc.. (DANGER!!)

- Explain How once They have BlackMail against Them, it's a DownHill Spiral.

- Explain To Them that They SHOULD NEVER SACRIFICE THEIR SELF RESPECT!

- Very Beautifully Explain and Show the Beauty of Khalsa.

- Very Beautifully Explain and Show the Raags and Instruments of Khalsa

- Very Beautifully Explain and Show the Lifestyles of Khalsa

- Very Beautifully Explain and Show the Beautiful Principles of Khalsa

- Very Beautifully Explain the Sikhi Principles that are For ALL

- Very Beautifully Explain Many Virtues as Taught by our Great Guru, and Vices To Avoid Etc. And Show Them in a Tone, Mood, to Inspire and feel Bairaag, with the Desired Result of Conviction and Actual Change of Mind, Heart, Emotion, Feeling that They NEVER want to Leave the Lap of Guru Nanak – Guru Gobind Singh

- Very Beautifully Explain and Show Beautiful Singhs and Kaurs and Their High Principles

- Very Beautifully Show the Beauty of Sri GuruGranth Sahib Ji

- Very Beautifully Show the Beauty of Sikhi and the Palace of Guru Nanak

- Address All The Lies They say About Sikhi and GuruGranth Sahib Ji. (inform those that know little about The Truth of GuruGranth Sahib Ji, and Provide Them with The Beautiful Truth of GuruGranth Sahib Ji). Once They know of The Greatness of God Through Our Gurus' and GuruGranth Sahib Ji, the muslims Will Not Be Able to Deceive Them.

- Show the Ill Affects of Alcohol, Smoking, etc..

- Show The Tactics Used in Clubs, Rape Drugs, Group Strategies Used by Muslims etc. to Convince a Girl for a Ride in a Car since they are 'Going There Any-Way'..etc..etc..

- Explain the Dangers of Clubs etc..

- Explain the Beauty of Sikhi and the Universal Principles in Sikhi for Individual Benefit (Spiritual, Mental, Emotional, Physical, Social, Sikhi Traditional, etc. etc.). Show how Sikhi Principles Protect One from Serious Long Term Consequences etc.. and Show Why Situtions Should be Avoided and Even how Others Encourage and Even Plot to Lure Them into Alcohol, Sex, Drugs, Conversions, etc.. etc.. Explain Why They Should Protect Oneself from Such Activities as Such Activities are Breeding Grounds for Negative Consequences...Explain How Men and Strategic Plans of Muslims Target at Such Activities..Explain the Beauty of Sikh Principles...

- Explain That They are Important! Explain That Their Body is Their Temple, and Treat it As Such! Explain That We Love Them! Explain That They Should Love Themselves! Explain That Guru Loves Them!

- Etc. Etc..

Some Brief Thoughts that Came to Mind. Expand on Them. You Will Know more Things to Discuss.

Some Singhs and Kaurs Should take on This Seva. It's a Great Idea to provide such a Resource to Unsuspecting Youth Heading out on Their Own, to Such Universities etc..

Explain to the Boys as Well, Explain the Above to the Girls Importantly! The Tactics Used by the Muslims are Specifically Targeted to Girls. The Boys should also be Made Aware to Have High Sikh Virtues, Live a Sikhi Lifestyle and Protect Their Sisters. And The Girls Should Also Protect Themselves. Provide Them with Such Beautiful Resources.

Once Such a Resource is Made, it is Very Beneficial for Very Long Term! Get it Done!

excellent post.

I like the way you exposed that lying in islam is permissible (under three circumstances: to stop a woman arguing with her hisband(!), to save their own lives (!) and to bring another into the fold of islam(!!!)..... Many muslims have confirmed this, while other argue the satanic verses, i mean the koran says "there is no compulsion in religion".... all their hadiths contradict eachother thats why muslims scholars say "find a hadith that supports most your views and follow that one"...their religion is full of contradictions, it is not the way foward in the physical world, or the speritual world. Muslims also claim all the technology and science in the world today comes from them. Most of the significant technological and scientific discoveries have been made in recent centries by non muslims. islam is a faith from the Medieval ages. the philosophy of the muslim cult is "if you do not accept islam you will burn in hell for eternity". Sikhi is a fiath of universal tolerance and equality. We do not believe Sachkhand is restricted to only SIkhs. On the subject of sachkhand... we believe that in the end we Merge with the Lord Almighty. They believe heaven has naked virgins, male servents, seedless fruits (lol) rivers of wine and rivers of honey. Does this not sound like a drunken orgy?! Also muslims men do not wear gold or silk because they believe they recieve these boons in heaven. to call this idology a joke is an understatment.

many issues in islam come down to lust: women covering up, why women driving is prohibated in islam(!), a man having 4 wives, why women can not pray with men, circumsision, femal genetal mutalation (muslims are divided [as always] on weather this is a cultural or religious issue), etc etc the list is endless. In sikhi the focus is on equality and every sikh, man or woman should defeat lust with humility, naam, seva and simran. lust should not be accomadated by marriage. In sikhi marriage is a very sacred thing.

I dont know why non muslim women marry muslim men when so many of them end up subliminally oppressed which is concealed by a false love relationship, or they are devorced (using the method described above) or they end up sharing their husband with 3 other women. It does not matter how many times muslims try to promote these sinfull acts as good, it just doesnt wash. There is no equality on islam. Why on earth is it that in islamb a woman needs 4 male witnesses to say she has been raped??!! What is she suppose to do? carry them in her handbag? this sends out a very devious message to the muslim masses.

the problem isnt with wa'habi islam, the problem isnt with a small amount of muslim extremeists, the problem isnt with muslim terrorism... the problem is with todays islam. Only a loopy and backward community would hold a paedophile in such a high regard. Its an insult to Satguru Ji to say the koran is a revelation of His...There are a number of issues wrong with the lifestyle of mohammed: a 50yr old man marrying a 6 year old but having sex with her when she was 9 because she had her period at that age... where is the modesty here? If mohammed needed to care for her so badly he should have accepted her has his daughter!. The teachings of the medieval book the koran, and the lifestyle of mohammed has no relevance to society today. they still have the medieval mentality of conquering the world through any means necessary. Message of our Satguru Ji's and Guru Granth Sahib Ji Maharaj is jugo jug atal... true throughout all time.

i know ive gone off topic.... but my fingers just wouldnt stop typing.

in summary, sikhi is the only faith made serving humanity, protecting humanity, tolerance, freedom and equality such central components of the faith.

DVDs are a good idea, but a faster way to propagate would be through youtube. We could use facebook advertising to get the message out.

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Bloom posted an excelent comment that is very real and SIkh in the true sense. If I said that Im called a taliban so Im going to be thankful someone else has said the facts about modern day "Sikhs" and the "scholars" that are supposed to be teaching the masses. The current Gurduara structure is based on money and not teaching BUT........... you must demand to be taught and be persistent about the leadership in the Gurduara to actually teach you (not just how to read Gurmukhi because it seems they only want you to learn so you can read their kaam advertised newspapers etc ^o^)

I think someone should make an educated well informed flyer or pamphlet that states the bold print facts of "modern day Sikhi" and make it downloadable to those who want to persistently put the information at the Gurduara. When the leadership sees the information they should rejoice and if they try to hide the information all the time then you will know what kind of "leader' they are,.

If you are not a part of the solution then you are a part of the problem :D

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78.31. For the God-revering, pious there will surely be triumph: 

78.32. Gardens and vineyards, 

78.33. And youthful, full-breasted maidens of equal age, 

78.34. And a cup full to the brim.

Allah’s Apostle (The blessing and peace of Allah be upon him) said: "In Paradise there is a pavilion made of a single hollow pearl sixty miles wide, in each corner of which there are wives who will not see those in the other corners; and the believers will visit and enjoy them."Sahih Bukhari 6:60:402

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The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His apostle and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be exiled; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement, Except those who repent before you have them in your power; so know that Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. (Surah al-Mā’ida 5:33-34)

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I studied the koran and islam, bible and christianity before I even knew about sikhi and once I read about Guru Sahib and Sikhi I knew the difference from islam/christianity and sikhi was night and day different. Guru Sahib out of all the other religions has the most truelly real religion that has no contradictions. Bigotry is all I see from other religions and Guru Sahiban were very loving compassionate and tolerable of anyone, muslims try to convert by force and christians try to convert by boycott, sikhs dont try to convert because we daily try to convert ourselves to Gurmat we arent worried about converting millions and millions of fake Sikhs because we already have a bunch of those.

herre we got bigot bible thumpers that in every sermon I hear is contrary to Gurmat ie. Its ok to become angry and furious as long as you dont sin because of it........Sikhi says your not even allowed to get angry.....................if you are sad and alone then pray to God and if you are happy and joyous then sing praises of God......Sikhi says sing praise of God night or day happy or sad and we pray to god all day at anytime we should remeber God with every single breath.

It is no secret islam contradicts itself, be nice and humble but kill all those who oppose you etc is not a peacefull message.

Some stupid people are zombies to falsehood and fall into any spell because they have no understanding of Sikhi.

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Bloom posted an excelent comment that is very real and SIkh in the true sense. If I said that Im called a taliban so Im going to be thankful someone else has said the facts about modern day "Sikhs" and the "scholars" that are supposed to be teaching the masses. The current Gurduara structure is based on money and not teaching BUT........... you must demand to be taught and be persistent about the leadership in the Gurduara to actually teach you (not just how to read Gurmukhi because it seems they only want you to learn so you can read their kaam advertised newspapers etc ^o^)

OH but I've tried that method....any other suggestions? Learning on-line does tend to kill the eyes....

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Well, how about also stop indoctrination of religion to children?? Im all for stopping conversions, but religion should be taught to adults, not children. Anyone agree? I read somewhere, i think it was on sikhs.org, that nanak said something about not labelling a child as religous until they grow up and are able to think for themselves. And btw, I still doubt any of the guru's ever existed, but im still looking for the evidence, so i may be wrong.

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