Singh Better Than King - Babbu Mann

[jalandharsingh]

What is Dhadrianwala going on about with regards to Baba Nanak walking as that was the norm at the time etc and how horses and carts etc then came into vogue. There were horses and carts in the days of Baba Nanak Ji but he preferred to walk. Likewise for Moranwali about parcharaks walking and arriving late as the sangat arrives in cars....well Baba Nanak Ji used to walk and it was not a problem with his wealthy followers arriving on the finest arabi horses.

Lets look at Shaheed Baba Jarnail Singh Ji, in the late 1970s and 1980s he happily went all over Punjab and India (as far as Mumbai) in buses and trucks. He did not need imported AC cars to do parchar. At the time imported Mercedes cars were available in India and Shaheed Baba Jarnail Singh Ji could easily have bought one.

Someone else on the thread is now mentioning that the Audi has been sold for the benefit of the survivors of the 84 genocide. Shaheed Baba Jarnail Singh Ji used to use all sangats offerings for panthic needs, why do these modern baba need to spread their own large chadars for charava and build dera? Why not use the several hundred 000£ that he collected on his recent euro tour to build accomodation and provide jobs to those still suffering as a result of the 84 genocide instead of selling an audi on the 25th anniversery. Did the widows not need help during the interim 25 years, likewise the families of shaheed, the families of Budhsingwala, Sukha Singh & Jinda Singh, Satwant Singh and Beant Singh should be helped as much as possible to give their children a better future without using these families at the odd gathering for cheap publicity like the SGPC and Akal Takht Jathedar do so often.

[BhForce]

Why not use the several hundred 000£ that he collected on his recent euro tour to build accomodation and provide jobs to those still suffering as a result of the 84 genocide instead of selling an audi on the 25th anniversery.

I agree it's usually ends up badly when people ask for money. As far as I know, S. Dhadrianwale doesn't ask for money because he was told by his older sant not to. Do you have any information to the contrary?

Did the widows not need help during the interim 25 years, likewise the families of shaheed, the families of Budhsingwala, Sukha Singh & Jinda Singh, Satwant Singh and Beant Singh should be helped as much as possible to give their children a better future without using these families at the odd gathering for cheap publicity like the SGPC and Akal Takht Jathedar do so often.

I agree we should help the poor and downtrodden. Please keep in mind that one person can't do everything. Also, what's good for the goose is good for the gander. So if people don't like that fact that S. Dhadrianwale has a car and there's a gurdwara in Patiala, wouldn't it also be good for the missionaries to sell off all their colleges and their cars and give the money to Delhi victims?

[jalandharsingh]

I agree it's usually ends up badly when people ask for money. As far as I know, S. Dhadrianwale doesn't ask for money because he was told by his older sant not to. Do you have any information to the contrary?

Why spread a chadaar then? If people are giving money then why not use the example of Gur Sant Baba Nanak Ji and learn from the sacha sauda sakhi instead of using the money to build a dera. Shaheed Baba Jarnail Singh Ji never built a dera and instead used offerings for panthic seva.

I agree we should help the poor and downtrodden. Please keep in mind that one person can't do everything. Also, what's good for the goose is good for the gander. So if people don't like that fact that S. Dhadrianwale has a car and there's a gurdwara in Patiala, wouldn't it also be good for the missionaries to sell off all their colleges and their cars and give the money to Delhi victims?

Any one using the Sant prefix should follow the teachings of Gur Sant Baba Nanak Ji and learn from the examples he set. Dhadrianwala could set an example by helping the victims of the 84 genocide. If he just used the money collected on his overseas tours for the 84 victims I would be the first to applaud him. Its similar to Baba Bheva who did nothing for shaheed parivaars for decades till allegations were made against him and then he happily made a small donation which his chela used as media spin. Let these "Sant" set an example or propogate the teachings of Gur Sant Baba Nanak Ji by giving away their wealth in the guise of panthic seva.

As for moranwala everyone knows about his kartootha so I will not spoil this thread with that suffice to say he should look under his own manja before grandstanding on stages.

Also I know from well placed sources that Sukhbir Badal made threatening overtures to Babbu Mann about this album and expecially this song which people are linking with Dhadrainwala. Why did Badal make these threats when the song is about pakhandi baba? The only baba who appears to be paranoid about this song is Dhadrianwala, so was Badal trying to appease Dhadrianwala? Just last year Dhuma called off the Chandigarh march/sit-in after he met Sukhbir for a private meeting. How many other baba work at the bidding of the Badals?

[H4ry]

Who is babbu mann to say anything to sant ranjit singh jee, at least his doing good parchar and making people take amrit, how many people has babbu mann given amrit to, look at his other albums he sings about girls and alcohol putting people on manmat path, his just realising this album and causing all this controversy to make money. Also does it matter if babas have cars, babbu mann has loads of cars himself, we all have cars, a Sikh is meant to live girst jeevan. People should be careful before doing nindyia of sants because its massive paap on there heads, I am not saying all the babas are real but there are some real sants and we don’t have eye to know who is and who isn’t.

[jalandharsingh]

Who is babbu mann to say anything to sant ranjit singh jee, at least his doing good parchar and making people take amrit, how many people has babbu mann given amrit to, look at his other albums he sings about girls and alcohol putting people on manmat path, his just realising this album and causing all this controversy to make money. Also does it matter if babas have cars, babbu mann has loads of cars himself, we all have cars, a Sikh is meant to live girst jeevan. People should be careful before doing nindyia of sants because its massive paap on there heads, I am not saying all the babas are real but there are some real sants and we don't have eye to know who is and who isn't.

When did Babbu Mann say anything about Dhadhrianwala? It was Dhadrianwala who put himself in the spotlight by making an issue over this song and linking it with himself. The true Sant is never cowed by the likes of Sukhbir Badal or requires the Badal clan to issue threats on their behalf. Shaheed Baba Jarnail Singh Ji never succumbed to any CM or his two paisa son. We cannot say the same about todays baba who need Punjab Police gunmen to follow them everywhere and on the say-so of Sukhbir badal call off morchas.

Is it not nindya of Gur Sants for people to use the prefix Sant when they build deras instead of following sacha sauda teachings? Also please stop falling for the usual nindya trap propagated by self styled Sants to stop people questioning them, Guru Ji used the term Gur Sant for Bhagats and Guru Ji and not for the 600 odd self titled Sant roaming Punjab today.

These self titled sant are meant to set an example and show us how to follow the teaching of Guru Ji. Again how many follow the underlying message imparted to us by Dhan Dhan Baba Nanak Ji through the Sacha Saudha sakhi?

How many of todays 'Sant' travel in buses and trucks like Shaheed Baba Jarnail Singh Ji. Someone should ask Moranwala how was Shaheed Baba Jarnail Singh Ji able to deliver religious sermons across India in simple old buses and trucks without redlights or Punjab Police gunmen to accompany them.

Remember a few years ago when a certain dera 'Sant' decided to take Guru Ji across India in a train only for the special carriage to be attacked and burnt with Guru Ji in it? What did the official gunmen do then besides run away like cowards? Can you imagine Shaheed Baba Jarnail Singh Ji and his armed soorme allowing a train carriage with Guru Ji on board to be attacked and burnt by cigarette smoking gunde? These 'sant' need armed punjab police gunde for themselves but on that occassion failed to protect Guru Ji in the train.

[mala]

Am I still missing something...all that was said was an invitation for Babu Maan to take amrit...where's the personal attack?..you'd think someone swore at Babbu Maan's mum or something (some of the comments on youtube are disgusting, there are some real harsh swear words attacking Sikhi in general not just Baba Ranjit Singh)..Can someone actually quantify this whole fiasco without turning it into their own personal hate campaign?

Why are people so dead set against being told to keep their kes and take amrit? Wouldn't Sant Jarnail Singh have said the same...to put it into context.. is it really about the cars or is it the fact that we hate each other...?

[Guest fordcapri]

Just timely reminder of what this so called sant is really about

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jocEc7ntoOc

[H4ry]

Cars and buses is a retarded issue, bigger things to worry about in the panth then who is travelling by car or bus.

[jalandharsingh]

Am I still missing something...all that was said was an invitation for Babu Maan to take amrit...where's the personal attack?..you'd think someone swore at Babbu Maan's mum or something

From the other angle you could say the same about Dhadrianwala who took this song as an attack against himself rather than taking in the message of the song. All the pallova from Dhadrianwala, Moronwala and then Sukhbir Badals threats on behalf of the baba who felt they were the subject matter for the song.

Why have Dhadrianwala, Moronwala and co not used their positions to publicly question why the likes of disgraced kar sewa baba amrik su has recently been realloted 'kar sewa' by the sgpc (badal) when it is an open secret that 'baba' amrik kept a girlfriend, used money collected for sewa for personal enrichment and sold subsidised kar sewa cement for personal gain. If they want to be baba then they should follow the example of Shaheed Baba Jarnail Singh Ji and stop these pakhandi baba in their tracks. Cynics may say that the kar sewa baba help with the RSS agenda by giving all our gurdwara that hindufied white marble look so in the long term they can again claim we are a sect of hinudism. Instead of questioning badals decisisons they get into bother over a song not even aimed at them.

[mala]

From the other angle you could say the same about Dhadrianwala who took this song as an attack against himself rather than taking in the message of the song.

What makes you jump to that conclusion? Clearly the topic has been allowed to be shaped into various segments such as mona v keshdhari battle, baba v baba hater battle, amritdhari v non amritdhari battle, baba ranjit singh v babbu maan battle.

Is it 'what exactly was said to who by who' OR is it what we wanted them to say and the interpretation we manufactured?

Clearly something is being manufactured here and once again we are so stuck up our own high and mighty behinds to even notice this. In reality, I bet Baba Ranjit Singh and Babbu Maan don't even have an issue with each other.....but most of us would want them to...