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Why are you finding it so hard to give credit where it's due? There were about 600 Singhs that were able to make it there, about half were from Baba Ranjit Singh's jatha. It's very dishonest to downplay his contribution, expecially with the leadership he showed at the crucial hour.

Stop hating on fellow Sikhs. Give respect to Baba Harnam Singh,Baba Ranjit Singh, Baba Daljit Singh, other Gurmukhs, Federations...and the Sikh Youth.

We know you were at the forefront of attacks on Baba Ranjit Singh in the previous weeks, so your comments are not surprising. Take a look at what you're doing Singh. Take a hard look at what you're contributing. Stop spreading hate against fellow Sikhs. It's time to unite against the outside forces and also the internal cancer. The anti-Dasam Granth types have infected so many groups and minds. It's time to fight back for the Panth of Dasmesh Pita, mr dasmeshforce.

Do you know or have spoken to anyone who was there at the time? Do you know ANYTHING about the things Dhumma has been upto at Taksal? If so you would not have responded in this way.

Inder Singh: You wanna discuss Dal Khalsa and so-on, why dont you open another thread? Better still why dont you go take it up with Manmohan Singh instead of crying on here.

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We Have to Be Careful of People Trying to Gain Support of People Involved in Doing Nindya of Dasam Patshah Bani. These People have Email Lists etc., with each other and they come up with plans of lies etc. to spread propaganda on message boards, news websites, media, etc. They have a systematic plan that involves mostly Bemukh, Manmukh, Keshdhari Non-Amritdhari or Patits; a Group that Does Not Love Khalsa Dharma of Khalsa Rehit of RehitVaan Panj Pyareh. They consider themselves part of Khalsa Panth; but that is not the case; that will be realized in the True Court Hereafter. Their mission is to attack people who are supporting Dasam Patshah Bani. These people will use the Blood of Shaheeds Even to Get Support for Their Organizations. They are Evil. If the Person or Organization is supporting Darshan Ragi; Consider them to be Liars with no Integrity and their sole mission is to spread mis-information about people so their 'organizations' come to the forefront. Everything is about Attacking Dasam Patshah Bani. The Goal of Many Parties including All of India is to Attempt to ATTACK Khande-Pahul of Panj Pyareh and Love of Dasam Patshah Bani. They do not want Sikhs to Have Warrior Spirit. Their Mission is to Make Sikhs Only Saints. Their ATTACK is on KHALSA DHARMA!!!

If they support Darshan Ragi or Attack Dasam Patshah Bani; Do Not Trust ANYTHING They Say or Do.

Love For Dasam Patshah Bani, Khande-Pahul of RehitVaan Panj Pyareh and Bir Ras Khalsa Dharma will ALWAYS Remain in Tact. It Doesn't Matter What These People Say, Do or Even Get Done.

Ratio of True Khalsa to Bemukh, Manmukh, Heretics and Patits is 1:125 000.

In The Worst Case Scenario; Even If They Achieve Their Goals of Attacking Dasam Pathshah Bani from Akal Takhat (That is Their Plan); It Will Only Spread The Love of Dasam Patshah Bani and Khande-Pahul of RehitVaan Panj Pyareh More. The Split Will Work in the Favor of Dasam Patshah Bani. Dasam Patshah Bani and Khande-Pahul of RehitVaan Panj Pyareh will be Propagated with More Conviction. Emotional Blackmail By The Anti-Dasam Patshah Bani Force Won't Work. They Will Just Get More Sour. LOL!!!

Chardi Kala!!!!!

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Why are you finding it so hard to give credit where it's due? There were about 600 Singhs that were able to make it there, about half were from Baba Ranjit Singh's jatha. It's very dishonest to downplay his contribution, expecially with the leadership he showed at the crucial hour.

Stop hating on fellow Sikhs. Give respect to Baba Harnam Singh,Baba Ranjit Singh, Baba Daljit Singh, other Gurmukhs, Federations...and the Sikh Youth.

We know you were at the forefront of attacks on Baba Ranjit Singh in the previous weeks, so your comments are not surprising. Take a look at what you're doing Singh. Take a hard look at what you're contributing. Stop spreading hate against fellow Sikhs. It's time to unite against the outside forces and also the internal cancer. The anti-Dasam Granth types have infected so many groups and minds. It's time to fight back for the Panth of Dasmesh Pita, mr dasmeshforce.

Do you know or have spoken to anyone who was there at the time? Do you know ANYTHING about the things Dhumma has been upto at Taksal? If so you would not have responded in this way.

Inder Singh: You wanna discuss Dal Khalsa and so-on, why dont you open another thread? Better still why dont you go take it up with Manmohan Singh instead of crying on here.

Yes we have spoken. Anyone who went to demonstrate against this thug ashutosh deserve appreciation.

Stop singling out organizations here.You have been warned for that.

If dal khalsa or anyother organization does acts that are detrimental to sikh panth they will be exposed.

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There are so many "NOORMAHALIYA" type babas doing misinterpretation <br /> of Gurbani in their own way just to proove that they themselves are the<br /> only SATHGURU as per the definition given inb Gurbani. The list of such<br /> BABAS is very lengthy but main of these are Nirankari(akhoti), Radha Soami,<br /> Gurmeet Ram Rahim,etc.etc.<br />                If we see all this in the light of Gurbani and Gur Itihaas,<br /> this all has been happening during the time of GURU NANAK SAHIB to Guru <br /> Gobind singh Sahib. Prithhiya, Dheermal,Ramrai etc. were not different if <br /> compared to noormahaliya.But for the sake of dignity of SIKHI and to maintain<br /> the dignity of GURU DI SIKHYA,we should not treat or show our resentment<br /> in such a way which may compel ordinary man to say, "is it SIKHI"?<br /><br /> In RAMKALI KI VAAR,at ang 948, GURU BABA JI teaches us,:-<br /><br />ਸਲੋਕੁ ਮਃ ੩ ॥ <br />salok ma 3 ||<br />Shalok, Third Mehl:<br />     <br /><br />ਮਨ ਕਾ ਝੂਠਾ ਝੂਠੁ ਕਮਾਵੈ ॥ <br />man kaa jhoothaa jhooth kamaavai ||<br />The man of false mind practices falsehood.<br /> <br /><br />ਮਾਇਆ ਨੋ ਫਿਰੈ ਤਪਾ ਸਦਾਵੈ ॥ <br />maaeiaa no firai thapaa sadhaavai ||<br />He runs after Maya, and yet pretends to be a man of disciplined meditation.<br /> <br /><br />ਭਰਮੇ ਭੂਲਾ ਸਭਿ ਤੀਰਥ ਗਹੈ ॥ <br />bharamae bhoolaa sabh theerathh gehai ||<br />Deluded by doubt, he visits all the sacred shrines of pilgrimage.<br />  <br /><br />ਓਹੁ ਤਪਾ ਕੈਸੇ ਪਰਮ ਗਤਿ ਲਹੈ ॥ <br />ouhu thapaa kaisae param gath lehai ||<br />How can such a man of disciplined meditation attain the supreme status?<br /> and at ang 949 it is told:-<br /><br />ਸਲੋਕ ਮਃ ੩ ॥ <br />salok ma 3 ||<br />Shalok, Third Mehl:<br />      <br /><br />ਅਭਿਆਗਤ ਏਹਿ ਨ ਆਖੀਅਨਿ ਜਿਨ ਕੇ ਚਿਤ ਮਹਿ ਭਰਮੁ ॥ <br />abhiaagath eaehi n aakheean jin kae chith mehi bharam ||<br />He is not called a renunciate, whose consciousness is filled with doubt.<br /> <br />ਤਿਸ ਦੈ ਦਿਤੈ ਨਾਨਕਾ ਤੇਹੋ ਜੇਹਾ ਧਰਮੁ ॥ <br />this dhai dhithai naanakaa thaeho jaehaa dhharam ||<br />Donations to him bring proportionate rewards.<br /><br />and again on same ang :-<br /><br />ਮਃ ੩ ॥ <br />ma 3 ||<br />Third Mehl:<br />     <br /><br />ਅਭਿਆਗਤ ਏਹਿ ਨ ਆਖੀਅਨਿ ਜਿ ਪਰ ਘਰਿ ਭੋਜਨੁ ਕਰੇਨਿ ॥ <br />abhiaagath eaehi n aakheean j par ghar bhojan karaen ||<br />They are not called renunciates, who take food in the homes of others.<br /> <br />ਉਦਰੈ ਕਾਰਣਿ ਆਪਣੇ ਬਹਲੇ ਭੇਖ ਕਰੇਨਿ ॥ <br />oudharai kaaran aapanae behalae bhaekh karaen ||<br />For the sake of their bellies, they wear various religious robes.<br /> <br />ਅਭਿਆਗਤ ਸੇਈ ਨਾਨਕਾ ਜਿ ਆਤਮ ਗਉਣੁ ਕਰੇਨਿ ॥ <br />abhiaagath saeee naanakaa j aatham goun karaen ||<br />They alone are renunciates, O Nanak, who enter into their own souls.<br /> <br />ਭਾਲਿ ਲਹਨਿ ਸਹੁ ਆਪਣਾ ਨਿਜ ਘਰਿ ਰਹਣੁ ਕਰੇਨਿ ॥੨॥ <br />bhaal lehan sahu aapanaa nij ghar rehan karaen ||2||<br />They seek and find their Husband Lord; they dwell <br />within the home of their own inner self. ||2||<br /><br /> At ang 950 we are told that:-<br /><br />ਮਃ ੩ ॥ <br />ma 3 ||<br />Third Mehl:<br />     <br /><br />ਮਨਮੁਖ ਬੋਲਿ ਨ ਜਾਣਨੀ ਓਨਾ ਅੰਦਰਿ ਕਾਮੁ ਕ੍ਰੋਧੁ ਅਹੰਕਾਰੁ ॥ <br />manamukh bol n jaananee ounaa andhar kaam krodhh ahankaar ||<br />The self-willed manmukhs do not know what they are saying. They are filled with sexual desire, anger and egotism.<br /> <br /><br />ਓਇ ਥਾਉ ਕੁਥਾਉ ਨ ਜਾਣਨੀ ਉਨ ਅੰਤਰਿ ਲੋਭੁ ਵਿਕਾਰੁ ॥ <br />oue thhaao kuthhaao n jaananee oun anthar lobh vikaar ||<br />They do not understand right places and wrong places; they are filled with greed and corruption.<br /> <br /><br />ਓਇ ਆਪਣੈ ਸੁਆਇ ਆਇ ਬਹਿ ਗਲਾ ਕਰਹਿ ਓਨਾ ਮਾਰੇ ਜਮੁ ਜੰਦਾਰੁ ॥ <br />oue aapanai suaae aae behi galaa karehi ounaa maarae jam jandhaar ||<br />They come, and sit and talk for their own purposes. The Messenger of Death strikes them down.<br />  <br /><br />ਅਗੈ ਦਰਗਹ ਲੇਖੈ ਮੰਗਿਐ ਮਾਰਿ ਖੁਆਰੁ ਕੀਚਹਿ ਕੂੜਿਆਰ ॥ <br />agai dharageh laekhai mangiai maar khuaar keechehi koorriaar ||<br />Hereafter, they are called to account in the Court of the Lord; the false ones are struck down and humiliated.<br /> <br /><br />ਏਹ ਕੂੜੈ ਕੀ ਮਲੁ ਕਿਉ ਉਤਰੈ ਕੋਈ ਕਢਹੁ ਇਹੁ ਵੀਚਾਰੁ ॥ <br />eaeh koorrai kee mal kio outharai koee kadtahu eihu veechaar ||<br />How can this filth of falsehood be washed off? Can anyone think about this, and find the way?<br /><br /> Bhul chuk khima WJKK WJKF

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I contacted some sources and following is information about injured singhs

Belong to jatha of Baba dhadrianwala 2

Damdami taksal 2

From nearby villages 6

I did not want to put it as aim of a sikh is not to divide struggle in different factions.This has been done to expose malicious propaganda being done by some here.

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Kamaljeet Singh ShaheedSar sent a message to the members of No Khalsa Panth without Sri Dasam Guru Granth.

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Subject: Panthic meeting at Chowk Mehta

Waheguru ji ka khalsa Waheguru ji ki fateh khalsa ji

Faujo, today a meeting was held at Gurudwara Gurdarshan Parkash, Mehta, headquarters of Damdami Taksal, regarding the future course of action after the Ludhiana massacre.

It was attended by Baba Dhumma, Bhai Mohkam Singh, Baba Ranjeet singh ji Dhadrain wale, Baba Baljeet singh ji Daduwal, Baba Hari Singh ji randhawe wale, Bhai Gurnaam Singh ji Bandala, Bhai Gurjinder Singh ji (SYF BHindrwanwala), various Sikh Students federations, Dal Khalsa, Akaal Federation and other Panthic Jathenbandis.

Singhs discussed various plans, some said we should take more aggressive stand and start a morcha till Politicians and Policemen responsible for this massacre are not arrested and charge-sheeted, others were of view that we should not take any decision which will result in a stand-off between Panth and government, as this will lead to more bloodshed of innocent Sikh youth.

After whole day of hectic deliberations and discussions, Singhs were not coming to any mutual formula acceptable to all. Just an hour ago, various jathebandis reached a consensus programme. But to be honest , this programme is not having the consent of some Garam Dal Singhs, who wanted a really tough stance so that next time these Pakhandis will hesitate to use Punjab as their fiefdom and government will think twice before giving permission for any such programme. Over and all, this programme decided and reached to by various Jathebandis is not such as we were hoping. Here are the demands and decisions which have been taken and which will be announced to Sikh Sangat from around the world on 14th December on Bhog of Bapu Darshan singh luhara. Baba Dhumma announced today’s consensus decisions as such:-

1. Parkash Badal to be summoned at Akaal Takhat and given punishment as he’s the Chief Minister.

2. SGPC President Makkar didn’t take adequate steps to get this programme cancelled and didn’t help Singhs who were protesting, He should resign.

3. When question of Sikhi Parchar comes, SGPC rejects Sant Samaj as Derawadi ppl, and when its time to fight and take bullets, Sant Samaj is called upon to come forward. So Sant Samaj will play and active role in coming SGPC elections and get its candidates elected so as to serve Panth Better.

4. On 24th December, Sikhs all over the world will be called upon to hold ardas and diwans all over world from 9-10 am for Charhdi Kala of Panth.

5. On 30th December, A Khalsa March will be started from Fatehgarh Sahib to Chandigarh and Governor of Punjab will be submitted a memorandum to arrest Harish bedi, his son and other guilty police officers.

6.Delhi SGPC president Sarna should be summoned to Akaal Takhat for helping Darshan Laal, who called protesting Sikhs ‘’kids of RSS’’,Back-stabbing protesting Sikhs and aligning with Congress Party.

These are the demands and decisions taken by Sant Samaj today at the headquarters of ‘’Taksal of Martyrs’’. At the Sthaan where Santji used to sit, and from where he gave his arrest and from where he moved to Akaal Takhat to start his Dharam Yudh Morcha, giving such an un-inspiring programme was not to be thought of. But as the Singhs and jathebandis have taken the decision, let’s hope it will lead to something concrete.

As we said earlier, our hopes are on One Akaal purakh , Guru Granth Sahib ji Maharaj and Shaheedi Fauja. The holy blood of Shaheeds never goes waste, its only a matter of time when the cause for these Shaheeds have given their blood will be fulfilled and these Pakhandis like sarsewala, Ashutosh and Radhswamis will be thrown out of Land of Gurus by Mighty Khalsa of Akaal Purakh. In this Dark Age, we’ve no hope left except Bachans of Brahmgiani Baba Thakur Singh ji coming true. We respect all mahapurakhs, jathedars, jathebandis fighting for Panth and will continue doing so, but as far as these programmes are concerned,we know these types of Marches and demands were made in 2007 also, still Sarse wala is roaming free and every week, till today, couple of Singhs are arrested on charges of conspiring to murder him and jailed.

May Waheguru Akaal purakh bless his Panth with Su-Matt and Sad-Buddhi so that we can unite and Fight for Charhdi Kala of Panth in such a way that some change takes place actually on ground, Honour of our Gurus and Shaheeds is restored and our ‘’Elaans’’ and marches just don’t become a routine show for the world to laugh on.

Akaal Ji Sahai

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name='raj_karega_khalsa' date='12 December 2009 - 08:18 AM' timestamp='1260634683' post='442543']

At least two were from Shiromani Tat Khalsa, as well.

Here is another lie. My aim of putting the info was not to divide sikhs injured in this tragedy in any categories as some panth dokhis are trying desepratley for the last four days.The idea was to rebut malicious and false claims being put here that all singhs belonged to kala afghana cult.

It is also revealed by injured singhs how this kala afghani organization is trying to win over injured singhs to give statement that they belonged to this organization.Sarna made a trip for this purpose.One singh made a statement in the above video that he is from Tat khalsa. But somebody said at least two were from that organization.That is a outright lie.

Do not derive propaganda mileage out of this tragedy.There is warning already by administration.

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Bhai Sahib, I said two because i assumed Jaswinder Singh and Gurjant Singh (both from Rajpura) were/are together.

Can you please maybe open another thread about Tat Khalsa? Because if they do, in fact, hold KA mentality and support Sarna that's disturbing; a lot of Singhs have a positive view of them after the Ludhiana Kaand.

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