Caste System In Sikhi [Late S. K.Singh Deep Ji's last message for all of us]

[K. SINGH DEEP]

GURU roop Sadh Sangat jeeo,

Waheguru ji ka Khalsa Waheguru ji ki Fateh.

Caste system realy needs to be eradicated from Sikhi.

But no one is doing some thing for practical implication of the same and everybody

just talks ,gives quotes from Gurbaani . Can any body from so called higher castes

can marry his daugtrer/son to a boy /daughter from so called lower caste? If yes,

it is O.K. and if no , please forgive me , we are only so called Sikhs or BHEKHI SIKHS

and not real SIKHS.

I being an Amritdhari ,wanted to marry an Amritdhari SIKH Girl in 1979-80 and

advertised in a leading Punjabi news papper mentioning especially "Caste no bar"but

got response from only 2 references one was from Sandhu Jats and another from

Ahluwalia family.Because I had decided for inter caste marriage and that too without

dowry and with Baraat of only 5 persons including Myself ,Ihad no option other than the

Ahluwalia familys Girl who ( now my SINGHANI )was Amritdhari too. Though I had to

make all out and very hard efforts to get my mother agreed for it.

One of my brothers daughter has married a boy from RAVIDASIA family and

the farher of the girl who is my elder brother ,though participared in the marriage

and has also perfomed the Rasam of PALLA PHARANA, is not in talkative terms with

his daughter and her husband and does not allow the couple to enter his house.

I call him BEIMAAN because is hostile in the court of SIKHI and GURU by participating

the marriage ceremony in the presence of GURU GRANTH SAHIB as father of the Girl

but now hasitates to accept the relationship due to society.

So to eradicate the caste system from SIKHI we shall have to be bold enough

to accept rather welome such stories.

Bhul chuk Khnma

Waheguru ji ka Khalsa Waheguru ji ki Fateh

[H4ry]

It is very true that something needs to be done about jaat paat. But sadly amritdharis let alone other still believe in caste. I got discriminated against just because I wasn't a so called jatt. But remember those who believe in caste Guru Sahib will never accept them.

Jo Sikha Ko Puche Jaat Soh Sikh Nahi Mero Aad Jugaad (Those who ask a sikh's caste, they are not my sikh, they never were, and they never will be) --Dhan Dhan Guru Gobind Singh Sahib Jee Maharaj)

[K. SINGH DEEP]

It is very true that something needs to be done about jaat paat. But sadly amritdharis let alone other still believe in caste. I got discriminated against just because I wasn't a so called jatt. But remember those who believe in caste Guru Sahib will never accept them.

Jo Sikha Ko Puche Jaat Soh Sikh Nahi Mero Aad Jugaad (Those who ask a sikh's caste, they are not my sikh, they never were, and they never will be) --Dhan Dhan Guru Gobind Singh Sahib Jee Maharaj)

Bhai Nand Lal (Singh) ji in his Rehatnama ,has mentioned at a place:-

"Amrit ko paani kahe ,Sikh ki poochhahe jaat.

Kahe GOBIND SINGH Nand Lal ji ,so sikh jampur jaat."

Whenever we ask some sikh as to which jaat he/she belongs,we

are marching ahead towards NARAK.

Bhul chuk Khima ,

Waheguru ji ka Kkalsa Waheguru ji ki Fateh.

[Savtej Singh]

It is very true that something needs to be done about jaat paat. But sadly amritdharis let alone other still believe in caste. I got discriminated against just because I wasn't a so called jatt. But remember those who believe in caste Guru Sahib will never accept them.

Jo Sikha Ko Puche Jaat Soh Sikh Nahi Mero Aad Jugaad (Those who ask a sikh's caste, they are not my sikh, they never were, and they never will be) --Dhan Dhan Guru Gobind Singh Sahib Jee Maharaj)

Right on.

I mean I am a "jatt" but i never think that it's a sense of pride or something. I don't believe in the caste system at all. I hate when people discriminate others. It makes me sick.

[Guest mehtab1singh]

It is very true that something needs to be done about jaat paat. But sadly amritdharis let alone other still believe in caste. I got discriminated against just because I wasn't a so called jatt. But remember those who believe in caste Guru Sahib will never accept them.

Jo Sikha Ko Puche Jaat Soh Sikh Nahi Mero Aad Jugaad (Those who ask a sikh's caste, they are not my sikh, they never were, and they never will be) --Dhan Dhan Guru Gobind Singh Sahib Jee Maharaj)

Right on.

I mean I am a "jatt" but i never think that it's a sense of pride or something. I don't believe in the caste system at all. I hate when people discriminate others. It makes me sick.

Then if you are not married yet, you should marry a bibi who is from non-Jatt family

If you are married, make sure your kids marry non-Jatts

Deal???

[Jagmeet]

It is very true that something needs to be done about jaat paat. But sadly amritdharis let alone other still believe in caste. I got discriminated against just because I wasn't a so called jatt. But remember those who believe in caste Guru Sahib will never accept them.

Jo Sikha Ko Puche Jaat Soh Sikh Nahi Mero Aad Jugaad (Those who ask a sikh's caste, they are not my sikh, they never were, and they never will be) --Dhan Dhan Guru Gobind Singh Sahib Jee Maharaj)

Right on.

I mean I am a "jatt" but i never think that it's a sense of pride or something. I don't believe in the caste system at all. I hate when people discriminate others. It makes me sick.

Then if you are not married yet, you should marry a bibi who is from non-Jatt family

If you are married, make sure your kids marry non-Jatts

Deal???

Thats a good deal lol

[K. SINGH DEEP]

Guru pyaryo,

I married a non Jat but AMRITDHARI SINGHANI in 1980 and

now in 2007 my elder son too married a non Jat Girl and I am proud

of the same with blessings of Sacha Patshah Dhan Sri Guru Granth

Saheb ji.

Bhul chuk khima, Wahegru ji ka Khalsa Wahegru ji ki Fateh

[Savtej Singh]

Yeah, try telling that to my parents. They said if i married a "non-jatt" they would never accept her. Well, I'm still young and have a long time to think about it.

[Guest mehtab1singh]

Yeah, try telling that to my parents.

Thats exactly what I want YOU to do

They said if i married a "non-jatt" they would never accept her. Well, I'm still young and have a long time to think about it.

All the best then

[AmarjitKaur]

vaise why even get in jat pat at all. Why not, just "not ask" the jaat paat. U meet a girl/boy, see if you click, and never ask that question. move on if you do, otherwise keep going.

Eventually, you would have a life partner what god have written for you, from the jat you are from or not. I don't think God would have wanted to create divisions on who is bigger or better and who is not. God must have just planned to make one human form to get this soul chance to get out of birth-death cycle. But now that there are too many humans (souls in this universe given chance to evolve), we created another drama here on this earth.

I wish we could just see that original plan waheguru jee have for us.

9th Guru jee says

mwns ko jnmu lInu ismrnu nh inmK kInu ]

maanas ko janam leen simaran neh nimakh keen ||

You obtained this human life, but you have not remembered the Lord in meditation, even for an instant.

I believe Guru Gobind Singh jee says this

Manas ki jaat sabe eke pehchanbo : All Humans are of one and treat all humans equally