Rehatnamas And Historic Sources Mentioning Gurgadhi Given To Sggs

[mohinder pal]

If the body of the ten gurus was not guru;How/Why GUru Nanak dev ji/Guru Arjun Dev ji/Guru Gobind singh ji went to sachkhand with their physical body. The Deh of Satguru is Itself a Bani. From their Roum Roum Naam/Anhad SHabad is Sung. SGGSji was Sargun Saroop of Satguru even when Guruship was Passed on to 5th Patshahis to 10th Patshahis and Sggsji is Still Satguru Saroop.

My Question is:- Inorder to Kill Mughals and Papis, Akal Purakh took the Deh saroop of Guru Gobind SIngh ji, Don't you think in future also, Akal purakh would again take Deh Saroop of Satguru to Establish Humanity.

And i donot think any religion tells us to insult people of other religions. It is only the few bad people in the every religion to who create that diff.

WHen you bow to someone who is wearing complete Bana of Sikh maryada, You are giving respect to the BANA not to the person who is wearing it. Automatically Head Bows when you see a Nihang singh or a Gurumukh or Puran sant when they are in complete sikh maryada. I never told to bow Ram rahim or Bush FYI.

Bow your head to SGGSji always or Bow to those Gurmukhs and Mahapurash/Sant who bowed to SGGSji and believe SGGSji.

[mohinder pal]

Rolling Punjab Paaji,

Gurunanak Dev ji Maharaj told 'Stick to Guru SHabad, DO naam Bandagi, If Guruji had told us to stick to Shabad Saroop, then what was the purpose for Guru Nanak dev ji to take Deh Saroop of 2nd Patshahi till 10th Patshahi.

[mala]

Mohinder Pal,so in your view how many of these dehdhari gurus who "promote" shabad guru can exist on this earth at one time. Are you saying the self proclaimed guruship of the namdhari guru is as equal to the self proclaimed guruship of the nirankari guru who is as equal as the self promclaimed guruship of the radhoasoami guru?

Why not be more specific about your views on the "who's who guide to dehdhari gurus" rather than give wishy washy statements abouts bowing your head to all of god's creations? Are you here to justify the existance of the current namdhari 15th "Guru" who the namdharis claim direct lineage back to Guru Gobind SIngh Ji Maharaj?

[mohinder pal]

Mala SIngh ji,

I am not telling that Naamdhari/Radhoswami/Nirankari Sect are GURUS.

What i was trying to tell that What if in Future, SGGSji gives guruship to someone. You know what had happened in Baba Bakala when all proclaimed themselves as GURUS and one of the Worthy person(Makhan Shah Labana only; no one other was able to realize the fact even though When Shri Harkrishan ji Patshahi told'Baba Bakala' before Joti Jyot time) recognized the true Guru(Guru Tegh Bahadur ji).The Sikhs were puzzled to see so many claimants and could not make out who the real Guru was.The most influential of them was nephew of Tegh Bahadur, DHeer Mal took advantage of the ambiguity in the words of the dying Guru and installed themselves as Guru of Sikhs.There were 22 self-made gurus and each Sodhi claimed himself to be real Guru.

What if in future same situation occurs(Baba Bakala Occurence); Would we be able to Recognize the TRUE GURU(even though SGGSji would remain Sargun Saroop of Akal Purakh). That time there were 22 self made gurus. What abt know. the Self GUru number would go in thousands and Lakhs.

[rollingpunjab]

If the body of the ten gurus was not guru;How/Why GUru Nanak dev ji/Guru Arjun Dev ji/Guru Gobind singh ji went to sachkhand with their physical body. The Deh of Satguru is Itself a Bani. From their Roum Roum Naam/Anhad SHabad is Sung. SGGSji was Sargun Saroop of Satguru even when Guruship was Passed on to 5th Patshahis to 10th Patshahis and Sggsji is Still Satguru Saroop.

My Question is:- Inorder to Kill Mughals and Papis, Akal Purakh took the Deh saroop of Guru Gobind SIngh ji, Don't you think in future also, Akal purakh would again take Deh Saroop of Satguru to Establish Humanity.

And i donot think any religion tells us to insult people of other religions. It is only the few bad people in the every religion to who create that diff.

WHen you bow to someone who is wearing complete Bana of Sikh maryada, You are giving respect to the BANA not to the person who is wearing it. Automatically Head Bows when you see a Nihang singh or a Gurumukh or Puran sant when they are in complete sikh maryada. I never told to bow Ram rahim or Bush FYI.

Bow your head to SGGSji always or Bow to those Gurmukhs and Mahapurash/Sant who bowed to SGGSji and believe SGGSji.

The deh is not Baani in any sense...if it would have been baani...there were enumerable mahapurukhs in world who spend every single second of their life in uttering baani...but they are no more and are not even talked about today...but baani is still there...it didnt die with them...baani possess no deh...there is a difference between Guru and parcharaks...Guru is above Parcharak...and many of todays so called Gurus may be regarded as parcharaks...but not Guru themselves...the Dehdaari Guruship has been finished with the deh of Guru Gobind Singh Sahib...but his words are intact with us in form of baani...which is a Guru...!!!!

Akal Puruk would send somebody to destroy the evils and would not take birth himself....No sikh Guru was Akal Purukh himself...they are said to be the "roop of akal purukh"...!

yes we should not insult any religion...but yes we got every right to answer those who try to insult our very existence and identity...like naamdharis or radha soamis or nirankaris...they should be answered whenever required and in befitting manner...!

Never ever a sikh should bow in front of anybody...not even in front of saint or gurmukh...a sikh must greet him/her with respect...being a holy soul...but greeting somebody and bowing in front of somebody are different things...you can greet somebody by touching his/her feet...or by saing Sat Sri Akal or by saying Fateh....this is respect...bowing on other hand refers to gifting yourself to the person whom you are bowing and considering that person being the driver of your life...that is Guru...and the Lord Almighty...!

[rollingpunjab]

Rolling Punjab Paaji,

Gurunanak Dev ji Maharaj told 'Stick to Guru SHabad, DO naam Bandagi, If Guruji had told us to stick to Shabad Saroop, then what was the purpose for Guru Nanak dev ji to take Deh Saroop of 2nd Patshahi till 10th Patshahi.

there were enumerable incidents which were to follow after Guru Nanak...like creation of Gurmukhi, providing methodology to remove evils from society like castiesm, sati, providing a direction to the panth to become saint soldier, evoking the political aspect of sikh panth...this was necessary because if sikhs wouldnt have been taught to fight for their rights, to fight for panth...panth would have been lost by now...look what happened to buddhists and jainis....Naam simran will provide you spiritual power and all the Guru sahibs in deh form established the connection of sikh with shabad and also provide directions to preserve the shabad...that wouldnt have happened had Guruship been given to Guru Granth sahib immidiately after Guru Nanak Dev ji...it was the Plan of Lord Almighty himself...who are we to interfere...?

[mohinder pal]

Rolling Punjabi Boss,

Thats what I'm trying to explain.

10 patshahis took Deh Saroop to Establish the connection of SIkh  with the Guru Shabad.

Donot you think Guru Gobind Singh ji would come again to Establish what was Said in Sau Sakhi - Raaj Karega Khalsa. Khalsa cannot be established until Satguru comes in Deh Saroop in Future to fight Evil and again establish Naam Bandgi Connection.

Khalsa Rule doesnot mean only SIkhs Shall rule the world. There would be People from diff. religions who would convert themselves into sikh.Ross,Firangi,German,Cheen,Japan-Sab karenge Amrit Paan. That time is still to come in Future.

[rollingpunjab]

Rolling Punjabi Boss,

Thats what I'm trying to explain.

10 patshahis took Deh Saroop to Establish the connection of SIkh  with the Guru Shabad.

Donot you think Guru Gobind Singh ji would come again to Establish what was Said in Sau Sakhi - Raaj Karega Khalsa. Khalsa cannot be established until Satguru comes in Deh Saroop in Future to fight Evil and again establish Naam Bandgi Connection.

Khalsa Rule doesnot mean only SIkhs Shall rule the world. There would be People from diff. religions who would convert themselves into sikh.Ross,Firangi,German,Cheen,Japan-Sab karenge Amrit Paan. That time is still to come in Future.

there is a possibility that khalsa would rise again in future and somebody would lead the khalsa and awaken the unconcious spirit of khalsa...I dont deny this fact...but the person may again be a leader or parcharak of highest order without any fear of anybody...somewhat like Sant Jarnail singh ji bhindranwale...who would again attach us with the message of Guru Sahibans and true sikhi and who would qgqin be under the command of SGGS for spirituality...he/she will be follower of the 10 Gurus in Deh swaroop and 11 th Guru as SGGS...he/she may not call himself/herself the Guru...the better thing to say is God would appoint somebody from the world to resurface khalsa and awake him from a long sleep...it could be anybody...even you...!

[mohinder pal]

Hope we would be alive to See Khalsa Raj all over the world. One Guru,One Religion,One army,One Objective

Cheers

[rollingpunjab]

Hope we would be alive to See Khalsa Raj all over the world. One Guru,One Religion,One army,One Objective

Cheers

yes...we can hope that...Aggey Rabb dee Marzi...!