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Hey,

So hella busy but been struggling with this for a minute and need some help. Marrying a punjabi girl in a few months... been going to gurdwara with her for about a year now.. but since we are about to be a family and I am gonna raise my kids sikh I need a deeper understanding of sikhi

Problem is everywhere I look its always 3HO, and from the ones ive met and uncles I talked to that stuff isnt sikhi.. its a cult..and the sites always end up talking about wierd <banned word filter activated> yoga and astrology crap... kind of the opposite of the practical, good natured sikhism I have grown to respect.

Can you guys recommend good site with english that IS NOT 3HO!

I know I just need to learn with uncles, but im in med school and busy... so I am thinking more along the lines of learning during study breaks

Thanks for the help

Wales

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Hello Wales85 ji

Sikhism has two aspects. One ‘Spiritual aspect’ (Piri) and the other is called the ‘Temporal aspect’ (Miri). Miri is about the code of conduct (marayada) of how a Sikh person is supposed to live his life, where as the Piri is about the theology of Sikhism regarding what is God and the related topics. At most of the websites Miri (Temporal aspect) is more emphasized and very little about the spiritual aspect (Piri) is given. I find that 3HO websites are promoting the Piri which seems to be in variant to the Piri of the main stream Sikhism. You can learn enough about the temporal aspect (Miri) from the various websites. However, the best way to learn about the spiritual aspect (Piri) is from reading Sri Guru Granth Sahib. The very first invocation in the Sri Guru Granth Sahib is Mool Mantar and that is followed by the first composition (in Sri Guru Granth Sahib) called Japji Sahib. From the Japji Sahib composition you can get very good idea of what the spirituality of Sikhism is about.

Right now (these days), a discussion on Japji Sahib is going on at the website ( http://sikhchic.com/ ) . I find it very interesting and you can form a good insight into the spiritual aspect of Sikhism. Each week a new stanza of Japji Sahib is discussed. So far, there have been 15 discussions. Just have a look at them and go from there and read more from Sri Guru Granth Sahib when you are done with your med studies. Just go to that website and from the second bar menu, on the top, click on “Talking Stick” (Talking Stick Colloquium). There you can read starting from Colloquium # I

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Thanks 3HO

Anyone have any non 3HO stuff in english... or is it really all 3HO?

Why don't you put your questions on sikhi forth?

We will give you answers from traditional orders of Sikhism. Be assured, it won't be new age hocus-pocus stuff.

Sounds like a plan!

But tonight, tonight a have a <banned word filter activated> ton of neuro to learn... ill save the q for tomorrow

except for this one....

Anyone wanna give me an idea of the daily routine I can start trying to follow... like if I want to live as a sikh what should my daily routine be...

Thanks!

Hello Wales85 ji

Sikhism has two aspects. One 'Spiritual aspect' (Piri) and the other is called the 'Temporal aspect' (Miri). Miri is about the code of conduct (marayada) of how a Sikh person is supposed to live his life, where as the Piri is about the theology of Sikhism regarding what is God and the related topics. At most of the websites Miri (Temporal aspect) is more emphasized and very little about the spiritual aspect (Piri) is given. I find that 3HO websites are promoting the Piri which seems to be in variant to the Piri of the main stream Sikhism. You can learn enough about the temporal aspect (Miri) from the various websites. However, the best way to learn about the spiritual aspect (Piri) is from reading Sri Guru Granth Sahib. The very first invocation in the Sri Guru Granth Sahib is Mool Mantar and that is followed by the first composition (in Sri Guru Granth Sahib) called Japji Sahib. From the Japji Sahib composition you can get very good idea of what the spirituality of Sikhism is about.

Right now (these days), a discussion on Japji Sahib is going on at the website ( http://sikhchic.com/ ) . I find it very interesting and you can form a good insight into the spiritual aspect of Sikhism. Each week a new stanza of Japji Sahib is discussed. So far, there have been 15 discussions. Just have a look at them and go from there and read more from Sri Guru Granth Sahib when you are done with your med studies. Just go to that website and from the second bar menu, on the top, click on "Talking Stick" (Talking Stick Colloquium). There you can read starting from Colloquium # I

Thats perfect! Thanks for the lengthy response! I know everyone is busy with their own stuff... taking the time to answer questions like this is really appreciated.

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Thanks 3HO

Anyone have any non 3HO stuff in english... or is it really all 3HO?

Why don't you put your questions on sikhi forth?

We will give you answers from traditional orders of Sikhism. Be assured, it won't be new age hocus-pocus stuff.

Sounds like a plan!

But tonight, tonight a have a <banned word filter activated> ton of neuro to learn... ill save the q for tomorrow

except for this one....

Anyone wanna give me an idea of the daily routine I can start trying to follow... like if I want to live as a sikh what should my daily routine be...

Thanks!

Im happy to know that you are interested in Sikhism. One important part of a Sikh's daily routine is Prayers before the sunrise. These prayers are called Nitnem and usually consist of 5 prayers. Personally it takes me about 40 min to finish them everyday. One of the first prayers is Jap Ji Sahib. As a beginner you don't have to jump to all 5 just now. Take a small step at a time. Try and understand one prayer and then move on to the next. I would recommend Jap JI Sahib first because the whole concept of Sikhi is in that prayer. The first stanza is called the Mool Mantar. You could also just start memorizing the Mool Mantar and then take a small step at a time. Its completly up to you. Also reciting Gods name is called Nam Japp which is done usually by repeating the word WAHEGURU. Also, once you are done with memorizing prayers and knowing the concepts of them you should start reading the Guru Granth Sahib, our holiest book (which technically is not a book its our LIVING GURU).

Here is a link with English Translations of Sri Guru Granth Sahib and Im pretty sure you can find English translations of the Nitnem online somewhere if you don't have an English "Gutka" (book with prayers) already.

SriGranth.Org

I hope this helped.

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Thanks 3HO

Anyone have any non 3HO stuff in english... or is it really all 3HO?

Why don't you put your questions on sikhi forth?

We will give you answers from traditional orders of Sikhism. Be assured, it won't be new age hocus-pocus stuff.

Sounds like a plan!

But tonight, tonight a have a <banned word filter activated> ton of neuro to learn... ill save the q for tomorrow

except for this one....

Anyone wanna give me an idea of the daily routine I can start trying to follow... like if I want to live as a sikh what should my daily routine be...

Thanks!

Im happy to know that you are interested in Sikhism. One important part of a Sikh's daily routine is Prayers before the sunrise. These prayers are called Nitnem and usually consist of 5 prayers. Personally it takes me about 40 min to finish them everyday. One of the first prayers is Jap Ji Sahib. As a beginner you don't have to jump to all 5 just now. Take a small step at a time. Try and understand one prayer and then move on to the next. I would recommend Jap JI Sahib first because the whole concept of Sikhi is in that prayer. The first stanza is called the Mool Mantar. You could also just start memorizing the Mool Mantar and then take a small step at a time. Its completly up to you. Also reciting Gods name is called Nam Japp which is done usually by repeating the word WAHEGURU. Also, once you are done with memorizing prayers and knowing the concepts of them you should start reading the Guru Granth Sahib, our holiest book (which technically is not a book its our LIVING GURU).

Here is a link with English Translations of Sri Guru Granth Sahib and Im pretty sure you can find English translations of the Nitnem online somewhere if you don't have an English "Gutka" (book with prayers) already.

SriGranth.Org

I hope this helped.

40 minutes... wow

Sounds good.... I will start memorizing Jap Ji... be good anyway because I never understand whats going on at the end of service... that is the prayer they say at the end of service right?

Thanks very much!

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40 minutes... wow

Sounds good.... I will start memorizing Jap Ji... be good anyway because I never understand whats going on at the end of service... that is the prayer they say at the end of service right?

Thanks very much!

Jap Ji Sahib only takes about 10-15 min and like two of the banis (prayers) are even shorter.

OK for the services this is how they usually happen, at least at my Gurdwara on Sunday mornings/afternoons,

Its Nam Japp like I said above,

And then they sing hymns which is called Kirtan from the Guru Granth Sahib Ji

After that they do Ardaas standing up which is a prayer which you can also find online paying homage to the Guru's and Martyrs and various other things

And in the end they take Vaak from the Guru Granth Sahib Ji which is called a hukamnama or an Order and during that everyone is to remain quiet. Its kind of like a Sermon of the day.

In the Evening Services,

They start from Rehras Sahib, which is not a nitnem prayer but many prefer to do it at night

then usual hymns and Vaak and then they do Kirtan Sohila which is another small prayer which is usually done before going to sleep, its not required but many Sikhs prefer to do it.

And in the end they take Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji to a room because it is Night and no one is really going to read from it. Other Sikhs could give you more info on this.

But as far as my understanding goes, JapJi Sahib prayer is only done in early hours, never at the end of services.

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