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    • The marijuana fish wine consumer is referencing a specific tradition of person. Not anyone who properly uses Sukha.  The second references no longer needing it.  Nothing in Gurbani is against Sukha. It's ground into the floors of Gurudwaras and the Gurus had Degh Sevadars. Anyone with a problem with Sukha have white folks in their brains. Which is why they're alcoholics usually. 
    • This is a very confusing topic: http://sttm.co/s/2764/30880 ਕਬੀਰ ਭਾਂਗ ਮਾਛੁਲੀ ਸੁਰਾ ਪਾਨਿ ਜੋ ਜੋ ਪ੍ਰਾਨੀ ਖਾਂਹਿ ॥ Kabeer, those mortals who consume marijuana, fish and wine ਤੀਰਥ ਬਰਤ ਨੇਮ ਕੀਏ ਤੇ ਸਭੈ ਰਸਾਤਲਿ ਜਾਂਹਿ ॥੨੩੩॥ - no matter what pilgrimages, fasts and rituals they follow, they will all go to hell. ||233||   Here's an excerpt from Guru Nanak Chamatkar that (to me) addressed the use of intoxicants for spiritual purposes.   I once read a book (forgot which one) that said that bhang helps with keeping away hunger which is why it may have been used in war, along with treating injuries. Then over time it became common to use in small amounts and by Britisher times, it was used in excess.   Personally I wouldn't want to use bhang to help my Simran. http://sttm.co/s/2764/30880 ਤਿਲੰਗ ਮਹਲਾ ੧ ਘਰੁ ੨ Tilang, First Mehla, Second House: ੴ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ ॥ One Universal Creator God. By The Grace Of The True Guru: ਭਉ ਤੇਰਾ ਭਾਂਗ ਖਲੜੀ ਮੇਰਾ ਚੀਤੁ ॥ The Fear of You, O Lord God, is my marijuana; my consciousness is the pouch which holds it. ਮੈ ਦੇਵਾਨਾ ਭਇਆ ਅਤੀਤੁ ॥ I have become an intoxicated hermit. ਕਰ ਕਾਸਾ ਦਰਸਨ ਕੀ ਭੂਖ ॥ My hands are my begging bowl; I am so hungry for the Blessed Vision of Your Darshan. ਮੈ ਦਰਿ ਮਾਗਉ ਨੀਤਾ ਨੀਤ ॥੧॥ I beg at Your Door, day after day. ||1|| ਤਉ ਦਰਸਨ ਕੀ ਕਰਉ ਸਮਾਇ ॥ I long for the Blessed Vision of Your Darshan. ਮੈ ਦਰਿ ਮਾਗਤੁ ਭੀਖਿਆ ਪਾਇ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥ I am a beggar at Your Door - please bless me with Your charity. ||1||Pause|| ਕੇਸਰਿ ਕੁਸਮ ਮਿਰਗਮੈ ਹਰਣਾ ਸਰਬ ਸਰੀਰੀ ਚੜੑਣਾ ॥ Saffron, flowers, musk oil and gold embellish the bodies of all. ਚੰਦਨ ਭਗਤਾ ਜੋਤਿ ਇਨੇਹੀ ਸਰਬੇ ਪਰਮਲੁ ਕਰਣਾ ॥੨॥ The Lord's devotees are like sandalwood, which imparts its fragrance to everyone. ||2|| ਘਿਅ ਪਟ ਭਾਂਡਾ ਕਹੈ ਨ ਕੋਇ ॥ No one says that ghee or silk are polluted. ਐਸਾ ਭਗਤੁ ਵਰਨ ਮਹਿ ਹੋਇ ॥ Such is the Lord's devotee, no matter what his social status is. ਤੇਰੈ ਨਾਮਿ ਨਿਵੇ ਰਹੇ ਲਿਵ ਲਾਇ ॥ Those who bow in reverence to the Naam, the Name of the Lord, remain absorbed in Your Love. ਨਾਨਕ ਤਿਨ ਦਰਿ ਭੀਖਿਆ ਪਾਇ ॥੩॥੧॥੨॥ Nanak begs for charity at their door. ||3||1||2||   So that's what my opinion is right now, feel free to change it or educate me as I don't know much about bhang 😜   Bhul Chuk Maaf 🙏
    • I never knew we had a missionary on this forum.
    • Sikhs should only take Cannabis for medicane as how they were injured not for pleasure
    • https://www.manglacharan.com/post/consumption-of-intoxicants-khalsa-dharam-shastar-1914
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